s3231 wrote:Idk about Ellis, if you look at his +/-, the Warriors actually played better with him off the floor.

Not to mention, defensively, shooting guards have an eFG% of 53% against him.

I feel like he would be very good offensively in D'Antoni's system, but I wouldn't consider him as an option right now (until all other options are exhausted, including Tony Parker). If Minnesota wants Lee, I say we tell Kahn it's Rubio or bust.

If they want Lee, we MUST get Rubio in the deal. Otherwise, just say "BITE ME" to Kahn.

Jefferson + Rubio + Brewer

or Lee ($12mm) + Chandler + Curry (10mm) to Golden State for:

Biedrins (9mm, 4 years)+ Ellis (11mm, 5 years)+ Randolph

Leaves:

PG: Rubio
SG: Brewer
SF: Gallo
PF: Amare
C: Jefferson

or

PG: Douglas
SG: Ellis
SF: Gallo
PF: Amare
C: Biedrins

Granted, both are long term $$ commitments, but short of signing LBJ, we're in the 40-45 perenial win range anyway. Both these teams are big and can score.

Nalod wrote:

jazz74 wrote:

gr33d wrote:Article regarding Monta and possible trades... We'll see about Monta.

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?STORY_ID=16697

Wolves Are Trying: The Minnesota Timberwolves met over the weekend with Knicks' free agent David Lee, and word is they made it clear they'd do a major deal with Lee if they can convince the Knicks to engage in a sign-and-trade.

The Timberwolves by now have offered Al Jefferson and Corey Brewer to roughly everyone in the NBA and there is interest from a number of teams, but nothing seems likely until the LeBron James-Dwyane Wade-Chris Bosh shoe drops.

The rumor that got a lot of traction this weekend suggested Al Jefferson could be heading to the Golden State Warriors; Monta Ellis could be heading to the Knicks and David Lee landing in Minnesota.

The Knicks and the Wolves seem to like this idea, but Golden State seems less than interested.

The Warriors are in the in the middle of a franchise sale and swapping out assets, especially at this level, changes the valuation of the team slightly. There is a belief that until new ownership is in place anything more than minor roster tweaks will not get done under this ownership team and that anything major will be put off until a new owner is in place which may not happen until August to early September.

The Timberwolves have been aggressively trying to make deals since the first week of June and moving Al Jefferson seems to be at the top of their to-do list. Finding the right deal is sometimes the art of the process, but at least for now it does not look like Golden State is going to be the trade partner, no matter how interested the Knicks are in Monta Ellis.

i would take jefferson back if they add rubio's right in a heartbeat. if they want lee that bad and want to get rid of jefferson, why not ( especially if rubio is supposed to come next year and we have cap room for anthony? that is team building 101 ladies and gentlemen)? the big thing is whether or not he would fit in d'antoni's "system" which he looks like he doesn't.

Do this and add Carmelo next year.

Problem is you built it to "Win" now and Rubio is gonna need two seasons to get planted. But he could be the "future".

What we have to understand is we might not be able to build it to win a championship unless we get Lebron and bosh NOW.

Plan be has to be conference finals capable with assets going forward and keep some flex.

Why? Cuz Boston is still gonna be better next year as will orlando. Behind them could be up and coming teams like Washington, ATL and the Nets.

We all want the "chips" but that happens on the court not on paper.

We can also take on Draft picks with Cap space flex.

A work in progress. This takes time.

For many the "golden era" around here was the "Ewing era" and the reality was it was flawed in many ways. It was filled with hope, great games and "possibilities". Not "Chips".

I do think Walsh's plan "A" is valid and could yield bling.

Plan "B" will have the naysayers lamenting over losing Jordan "the Savior" Hill but we'll be a good team but it needs to have an eye on the future.

Rubio needs to tell Kahn there is no freaking way he plays in siberia and he can be happy and wealthy in Europe for a long ass time.

We can work with "Khan". IT means we take on some crap of theirs and have to wait a year for Rubio, and another for him to mature.

Wanna really build it right? Got have patience. At this juncture, at least we made a valid run at Lebron and had a legit shot.

It ain't over, but I don't think we panic yet, if at all.

Good post.

fishmike wrote:Monta Ellis is 1000x better than Jamal Crawford. If you havent seen Monta play much look at his shooting %s vs. Crawfords. Ellis doesnt play good m2m defense, but he gets a TON of steals. He shoots just under 50% for his career which for a combo guard is excellent and he will give you 5 assits and 4-5 boards a game also.

He's too small for SG and will be a liability vs the big 2's that are all over the league.

Thats a big problem but the guy is a bigtime talent on a **** team, and he plays and works hard on his game.

The deal I would look at assuming LBJ is off the table would Curry/Lee (S&T) for Ellis and Biedrins.

That would use up $9mm in our remaining cap space but that would leave us $10mm to fill out the bench and get a playmaker and a guy would could defend the wings.

I would bring back Earl Barron for sure. Maybe Shaun Livingston. Maybe Raja Bell to help defend on the wing... something like that.

Your starters would be
PG Douglas
SG Ellis
SF Gallo
PF Amare
C Biedrins
bench: Chandler, Barron, Raja Bell, etc

lot of firepower there and a lot of size. 6'10, 6'10, 7'0 front line every night with Barron off the bench. Douglas is a great defender and Ellis can play the 1 or play off the ball

Fish, not a bad plan, but I would just swing the deal for Monta straight up and save some cap space for Melo next year. Also, a backcourt of Douglas and Ellis is too small. Ellis can play the lead guard role similar to Parker and Rose in which niether of those two are pure pgs.

SupremeCommander wrote:

TMS wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:If the Knicks walk out of this offseason with Amare, Ellis, Miller and someone else it wouldn't be what I wanted, but I don't know if I'd consider it a failure.

What say y'all

how is that not a failure?... we could have gotten that done w/o giving away assets in the T-Mac trade... if that's the outcome i'd rather we just stood pat & signed Amare & still had our draft picks to fall back on for the next 2 years if they weren't used in a sign & trade.

let's say the Knicks acquire Amare, Ellis, Miller, and Ty Thomas. I'd say that is more or less a lateral move. Not really a failure but not really impressive either. I just wouldn't take as extremist a view as most would around here

stop towing the fence & choose a side!

seriously tho, i don't see how u can see it as anything but a failure if it ends up that we went all in for a certain select couple big fish this summer in order to put together a team that can compete for championships but can't no neither... whether you think Monta Ellis, Mike Miller & Ty Thomas is equal in value to David Lee, Jordan Hill, Fishlips & 2 potential lottery picks is equal in value or not, the fact remains we've wasted 2 entire seasons to get to this point, & for what? to end up with those players as the core for our franchise? Amare is elite, but those other guys are not... sorry, but anyone who thinks Monta Ellis is a superstar in this league is smoking crack. (not saying you're saying that)