playa2 wrote:loweyecue wrote:playa2 wrote:loweyecue wrote:I am saking you if you want him here, there isn't anything personal about that. What is irritating is that you and a few others only seem to care about explaining why he won't come here and it seems more and more like you would be satisfied if it became a self fulfilling prophecy. Its not like you have a window to his thought process you just want to bring up more reasons for him to not come here.
He has always mainatined he wants to win and he has publicly stated his goal to be a billionaire, the choice is simple and clear on both those. He has never said anything about staying in Ohio to represent the state for the next 15 years. He can represent ohio whereve he goes.
Name just one fan in the whole NBA if they wouldn't want Lebron James to come to their favorite team and the answer as mine would be yes.
What NBA superstar has mentioned anything other than winning being the most important thing while in their prime when asked. If the knicks would have dropped salary and at the same time drafted for needs(Jennings) that would have made the lure for Lebron and others more attractive. Nobody said anything about him staying in Cleveland for the next 15 yrs. Did KG stay in Minnesota for 15 yrs while losing ? NO Did he always mention how he wanted to win yes. So after he made the big money going to another team to potential win a title was a no brainer for him even though he was traded. Most guys come to NY now a days to get paid(DOLAN-ISIAH syndrome) , and not to win a championship. The franchise's they left took them as far as they could go before they think about coming to NY and getting big bucks before they retire.
Sure it would be wonderful to get paid big money and win a title in the NBA while playing for the NEW YORK KNICKS. But when has that happen ?????
Who cares what most guys used to come to NY for or whether it happened in the past or not? The whole argument is Lebron is the type of player that can bring winning back to NY isn't it? If he doesn't have the courage and the confidence to do that then he is being a wimp, plain and simple.
Our franchise has hit the lows of the LA clippers, when it comes to performance. What roster would most knicks fans want ours or the Clippers, many would cut off their right arm for the roster they now have. Only problem is the clippers franchise appears to be cursed. 20 yrs ago maybe they were cursed when they escaped out of Buffalo NY in the middle of the night. Here's how that went.
The Buffalo Braves are purchased by John Y. Brown former owner of the Kentucky Colonels in the now defunct ABA for $6.2 million. As part of an agreement with former owner Paul Snyder, Brown would give Snyder money received in player deals to reduce the purchase price. The sell off would begin shortly after the season started as the Braves sold MOSES MALONE who they acquired in a trade with the Portland Trailblazers after the ABA dispersal draft to the Houston Rockets, it would continue into the season as BOB MCADOO is sold to the New York Knicks. While the deals helped Brown pay virtually nothing for the franchise it turned an up and coming franchise into garbage. Attendance would fall off severally as the Braves finished in 4th place with an awful 30-52 record. The only ray of hope would come as Adrian Dantley captured Rookie of the Year honors with 20.3 ppg. However ADRIAN DANTLEY himself would be traded following the season to the Indiana Pacer for Billy Knight.
1977/78: Going in to the season the Braves would get an escape clause in their lease, as season ticket sales did not reach the set goal of 4,500. The Braves would get dealt another blow asNATE tiny ARCHIBALD who they acquired from the New Jersey Nets for George Johnson is lost during preseason to a seasons ending Achilles tendon injury. The depleted Braves would play competitive basketball in November holding a 10-10 record. However they would win just 9 games combined over the next 3 months. While the Braves were struggling on the court their owner John Y. Brown was brokering a deal to take over the Boston Celtics. Irv Levin who owned the Celtics wanted to move the historic franchise to California. However, the NBA would not allow him to take the cornerstone franchise out of Boston. NBA Lawyer David Stern would propose a novel comprise in which Levin and Brown swapped franchise with Levin taking over the Braves and moving them to San Diego. The Braves would go on to finish in 4th place with a 27-55 record, ironically playing their last game on April 9th in Boston. Owners would go on to vote 21-1 to approve the deal, and the braves move to San Diego. The deal also included a complicated 7-player trade in which the Celtics acquired Tiny Archibald, Billy Knight, and Marvin Barnes. While the team formerly known as Braves received Freeman Williams, back-up center Kevin Kunnert, and power forwards Kermit Washington and Sidney Wicks. The team would not request a draft pick in the deal allowing the Celtics to retain the draft rights to Larry Bird.
1978-Present: John Y. Brown remains owner of the Celtics while the new San Diego Clippers struggled before moving to Los Angeles in 1984, where they set new standards in incompetence. Meanwhile there has not been any talk of a return to Buffalo for a NBA franchise.
Very telling story.
I think the main lesson out of it is that regardless of what players team is lucky to get, if management is awful and culture and tradition are not existent club will be bad forever.
LeBron/ no-LeBron if team sucks it will continue to suck.
"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet
But I digress...Assume that Lance Stephenson had Lebron like skills. If he had the opportunity to go elsewher, or rule New York City, I would think that he would have to choose the latter.