Mray20 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Mray20 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Mray20 wrote:I love Gallo he's a good defender and I love his offensive game , I just really don't want David Lee back he's horrible on D and I feel his stats are empty . Amare I can deal with on D but not if he is paired with Lee.

how can a guy that score 55% have empty stats? how?

Empty stats meaning he is not a game changer he gets his points but has zero impact on the game. I am a die hard Knick fan I want to make that very clear . I wanted Lee to start a few years back when he was coming off the bench but after I saw him get lit up and provide zero help defense I soured on him. I would like to have the guy on my time but as a sixth man not starting power foward. I like his hustle but not playing big time minutes he's a role player not a star you pay top money for.

then your still wrong. How many games to the Knicks win without Lee's 20/12 at 55% last year?

The reason they were in enough games to win > 30 was because they have a guy that fills the stat sheet for 20/12 and scores at 55%. Not to mention the Knicks essentially ran the offense through Lee who started racking up assists as well as the year went on.

Who's stats are more empty? Lee or Brook Lopez?

I 100% agree Lee isnt a franchise player. He is an all star and very skilled. He cleans the glass when the Knicks were actually defending back in Dec he showed effort there also.

You dont dump guys like Lee

You're right we should be happy Lee helped us win 30 games without him we would have won something like 28 games so we should definitely keep him lol. I'm not saying Lee is a bad guy to have but the bottom line is Lee with one other star is not going to get it done. There are much better players out there at the same position like Bosh, Stoudamire and Boozer.

Now your just being thick. Where do I say take Lee and forget Amare or Bosh (Lee is BETTER than Boozer)???

I dont.

I said #1 sign Amare. If you cant get Lebron, Wade or Dirk after that than bringing back Lee and adding depth or signing a guy like Mike Miller is a solid plan B.

If you want to debate cool... but dont read 4 words and comment on something I didnt say

Mray20 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Mray20 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Mray20 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Mray20 wrote:I love Gallo he's a good defender and I love his offensive game , I just really don't want David Lee back he's horrible on D and I feel his stats are empty . Amare I can deal with on D but not if he is paired with Lee.

how can a guy that score 55% have empty stats? how?

Empty stats meaning he is not a game changer he gets his points but has zero impact on the game. I am a die hard Knick fan I want to make that very clear . I wanted Lee to start a few years back when he was coming off the bench but after I saw him get lit up and provide zero help defense I soured on him. I would like to have the guy on my time but as a sixth man not starting power foward. I like his hustle but not playing big time minutes he's a role player not a star you pay top money for.

then your still wrong. How many games to the Knicks win without Lee's 20/12 at 55% last year?

The reason they were in enough games to win > 30 was because they have a guy that fills the stat sheet for 20/12 and scores at 55%. Not to mention the Knicks essentially ran the offense through Lee who started racking up assists as well as the year went on.

Who's stats are more empty? Lee or Brook Lopez?

I 100% agree Lee isnt a franchise player. He is an all star and very skilled. He cleans the glass when the Knicks were actually defending back in Dec he showed effort there also.

You dont dump guys like Lee

You're right we should be happy Lee helped us win 30 games without him we would have won something like 28 games so we should definitely keep him lol. I'm not saying Lee is a bad guy to have but the bottom line is Lee with one other star is not going to get it done. There are much better players out there at the same position like Bosh, Stoudamire and Boozer.

28 wins? try about 15 like the Nets.

Now your just being thick. Where do I say take Lee and forget Amare or Bosh (Lee is BETTER than Boozer)???

I dont.

I said #1 sign Amare. If you cant get Lebron, Wade or Dirk after that than bringing back Lee and adding depth or signing a guy like Mike Miller is a solid plan B.

If you want to debate cool... but dont read 4 words and comment on something I didnt say

I wasn't trying to misquote you. The only reason I brought up Bosh and Boozer is because Amare is willing to play center or power foward. Bosh doesn't want 2 play center and Boozer is not big enough. We didn't tank 2 years to bring back Lee and sign one star . Maybe I'm being greedy but I don't want the Knicks to win 45 games and get knocked out in the first round I want to go for a title. Lee is not the answer if he was you would see teams lining up to get him and you don't at all. They know what alot of us know he is a nice player but that's it.

Thats it.

BRIGGS wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:Not sure whether I agree or not with the Lee/Stoudemire front line, but even if they offered Stoudemire a max contract, they could could use up to $7-8M to sign sombody like Ray Allen or Mike Miller, then give David Lee a decent contract even if it is more than $10M. AND, they could trade Curry's contract for another player.

Again, not my first choice on how to do this, but you could end up with:

Monta Ellis (for Eddy Curry)
Mike Miller
Danilo Gallinari
Amare Stoudemire
David Lee

TD
Chandler

Still, I'm not sure this team makes it past the first round

Adding an elite player to the frontline we had in place would make us much better and a horror to match up with. At this point we atleast want a significant upgrade from last year and putting Stoudmore with Lee and hvaing the cap to add pieces will do that. Who knows how good we will be--there is no other super team int he east. Why do you think Danny Ainge wants Lee?

Any free agents we get will be an significant upgrade, but that shouldn't be the barometer we measure ourselves by . When you look at last yrs starters Gallup, Duhon, Chandler, Lee, Barron. Every one of these guys could be bench fodder 6th man at best on good teams.

I thought the whole 2 yr wait was guaranteed Top FA's was to pull the Knicks out of the city dumpster. This is supposed to be the worlds greatest stage to play at, and every player supposedly love coming to MSG. But my question is, are they saying that as an opposing player and team or playing in front of all the hyped up pressure of the NY fans and the media as the home team. The media frenzy that goes on every night of the week during basketball season there's no where else like this. MY thoughts are many FA don't carry the mental makeup to lead here in NY under these severe circumstances.( Wade could, Melo could, but who else could that would be available. WE SHALL SEE !

fishmike wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

Mray20 wrote:A front line of Lee and Amare = possibly the worst defensive front court in NBA history.

and one of the better offensive ones in recent NBA history.

gallo/Dlee/amar'e is a tough matchup for almost every front court in the NBA.

the more i think about it, i'd be on board for amar'e and dlee.

my god the Rockets won 42 games starting Chuck Hayes (6'6) and Luis Scola (6'9) at C and PF

Amare is a good m2m defender and gets some blocks. Neither guy gets pushed around and that combo is great on the glass on both ends of the court. Both guys are 55% scorers and can both score down low or with the jumper or in motion.

At the worst Amare is a legit star (5 time all star) and you have bigtime player you can package to team with a group of young guys (like GS) desperate for a legit star

Those guys moved their feet on defense and didn't have to concentrate so much on offense with Aaron Brooks Trevor Ariza and Kevin Martin taking most of the shots. 3 of the strating five could play good defense. That's how they strung together 42 win in the tough high flying western conference.

BRIGGS wrote:Bottom line--removing Lee and adding Stuodemire is a wash in many ways. We CANNOT discount resigning Lee in fact if we dont get LBJ Wade or Bosh I think he should be next in line. Atleast a Gallo Lee Amare frontline will be tough to deal with removing Lee is a new zero if we just add amare and some parameter players

the chances of Amare being our only addition this summer is zero.

Also lets just forget the fact that we would be brutal defensively up front

With Amare on board Lee is not an option because its not a fit

The plan is not going to be to make Lee the #2 option offensively long term. At some point they will add a perimeter player who surpasses his role in the offense. Its very possible Gallo's role advances as well. In a couple years Lee could be the 4th option offensively, averaging 12 and 10 and playing no defense. Hes not worth 9-10 mil doing that, in order to justify his money hed have to be a big impact offensively and he could never have that here long term with Amare in the fold

fishmike wrote:

Mray20 wrote:I love Gallo he's a good defender and I love his offensive game , I just really don't want David Lee back he's horrible on D and I feel his stats are empty . Amare I can deal with on D but not if he is paired with Lee.

how can a guy that score 55% have empty stats? how?

Perhaps you have heard of this player named Eddy Curry?

oohah

Childs2Dudley wrote:

oohah wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Mray20 wrote:I love Gallo he's a good defender and I love his offensive game , I just really don't want David Lee back he's horrible on D and I feel his stats are empty . Amare I can deal with on D but not if he is paired with Lee.

how can a guy that score 55% have empty stats? how?

Perhaps you have heard of this player named Eddy Curry?

oohah

Eddy Curry had empty stats being force-fed the ball on a horrible team. Amare has played for winners.

Please re-read the post to see who was being referred to as having empty stats.

oohah