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Caseloads
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7/3/2010  12:58 PM
We overpaid for t-mac, but c'est la vie. what's going on with that bum now? what rock has he found to crawl under?

I heard he was considering signing with the memphis grizz or sactown kings for the vets minimum

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7/3/2010  1:02 PM
TMS wrote:
Uptown wrote:
TMS wrote:
islesfan wrote:If he's offered Stoudemire a max contract, he's already panicking. There's probably a really good reason why Phoenix won't go over 4 years for him.

Johnson is likely staying in Atlanta for the max, Wade is staying in Miami and Bosh is likely to join him there. That leave LeBron and Stoudemire as the biggest free agents. They know they can't get LeBron unless they already have Stoudemire in the bag. But even if they get Stoudemire, there's no guarantee LeBron will sign.

This 2 year plan could be a failure of epic proportions, similar to the Isiah years. They've gutted their team, traded away future #1 picks, all in the hope of signing this guy. If he doesn't come here, it's going to get really ugly. And Walsh knows this.

If LeBron signs here then everything will be great. Even I'll be extremely happy and sing the Knicks praises. But if the gamble doesn't pay off, watch out.

bro, Donnie Walsh was panicking months ago when he made the T-Mac trade... at this point we're completely invested in making this plan of his work... he has no choice but to offer Amare the max cuz he knows Lebron ain't coming here to play with a buncha guys who could do no better than win 30 something games for the past several years... but you're absolutely right, about the other stuff... if you thought you were rough on Isiah, you don't wanna see what's gonna be said about Donnie Walsh if his plan doesn't work.


Wasn't the whole point of the trade for TMac, to open up another max cap slot so we could offer it too allstars like Amare, Bosh, etc? I dont see this as a panic move at all. We all knew that their was no way Lebron was coming to play by himself when we only had one slot available.

if we had $27M in cap space along with our next 2 1st round picks & Hill along with David Lee's Bird Rights, u don't think we'd have the ammo necessary to get a sign & trade deal done? right now we're forced to offer max contracts to guys with shaky injury histories because we got nothing else to fall back on... Donnie's been in panic mode for months.

You make a good point, but correct me if I'm wrong, if we resign Lee for 13-14 mil a yr and trade him away in a sign and trade, wouldn't that leave us with about 13mil to play with? Lebron/Wade aren't signing for less than the max. The Nets and the Bulls also have picks, I believe, to dangle, not to mention the Bulls have a young player in Deng, who they can trade aswell.

So if we are sitting at 27 mil, with 2 1st rounders, how does that make us any more attractive than the Nets (who are at 30 mil, their own ist rnd picks and have better young players) and the Bulls (who are also at 30 mil, ist rnd picks and have better players)?

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7/3/2010  1:10 PM
Uptown wrote:
TMS wrote:
Uptown wrote:
TMS wrote:
islesfan wrote:If he's offered Stoudemire a max contract, he's already panicking. There's probably a really good reason why Phoenix won't go over 4 years for him.

Johnson is likely staying in Atlanta for the max, Wade is staying in Miami and Bosh is likely to join him there. That leave LeBron and Stoudemire as the biggest free agents. They know they can't get LeBron unless they already have Stoudemire in the bag. But even if they get Stoudemire, there's no guarantee LeBron will sign.

This 2 year plan could be a failure of epic proportions, similar to the Isiah years. They've gutted their team, traded away future #1 picks, all in the hope of signing this guy. If he doesn't come here, it's going to get really ugly. And Walsh knows this.

If LeBron signs here then everything will be great. Even I'll be extremely happy and sing the Knicks praises. But if the gamble doesn't pay off, watch out.

bro, Donnie Walsh was panicking months ago when he made the T-Mac trade... at this point we're completely invested in making this plan of his work... he has no choice but to offer Amare the max cuz he knows Lebron ain't coming here to play with a buncha guys who could do no better than win 30 something games for the past several years... but you're absolutely right, about the other stuff... if you thought you were rough on Isiah, you don't wanna see what's gonna be said about Donnie Walsh if his plan doesn't work.


Wasn't the whole point of the trade for TMac, to open up another max cap slot so we could offer it too allstars like Amare, Bosh, etc? I dont see this as a panic move at all. We all knew that their was no way Lebron was coming to play by himself when we only had one slot available.

if we had $27M in cap space along with our next 2 1st round picks & Hill along with David Lee's Bird Rights, u don't think we'd have the ammo necessary to get a sign & trade deal done? right now we're forced to offer max contracts to guys with shaky injury histories because we got nothing else to fall back on... Donnie's been in panic mode for months.

You make a good point, but correct me if I'm wrong, if we resign Lee for 13-14 mil a yr and trade him away in a sign and trade, wouldn't that leave us with about 13mil to play with? Lebron/Wade aren't signing for less than the max. The Nets and the Bulls also have picks, I believe, to dangle, not to mention the Bulls have a young player in Deng, who they can trade aswell.

So if we are sitting at 27 mil, with 2 1st rounders, how does that make us any more attractive than the Nets (who are at 30 mil, their own ist rnd picks and have better young players) and the Bulls (who are also at 30 mil, ist rnd picks and have better players)?

if we sign Lee & trade him using the other assets we would have had at our disposal, it's obviously to go after someone like Bosh, Tony Parker or someone along those lines, so there really is no net loss of cap space when you factor in we're already adding another big piece to lure Lebron to NY in the process... we'd still have the means to sign Lebron... the point is you give yourself a better shot at getting a Bosh, Parker or maybe even CP3 if you had held onto the assets instead of wasting them on clearing $7M in cap space... that is the argument against the T-Mac trade... if Donnie goes & signs Lebron & Bosh or Amare this summer, then obviously all those worries go out the window & he is vindicated.

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7/3/2010  3:43 PM
If the Knicks have zero chance how come D'Antoni was cheesing after the meeting with LeBron?
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7/3/2010  3:58 PM
tj23 wrote:If the Knicks have zero chance how come D'Antoni was cheesing after the meeting with LeBron?

i wouldnt expect him to say anything went bad.

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7/3/2010  4:45 PM
sidsanders wrote:
tj23 wrote:If the Knicks have zero chance how come D'Antoni was cheesing after the meeting with LeBron?

i wouldnt expect him to say anything went bad.

Yeah even the Clippers said that they had a good meeting. "We clearly have the best team already in place for him to join, we have the best city, the best arena, the best practice facility -- overall the best situation."

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7/3/2010  6:43 PM
Things you will never hear:

"We had a terrible meeting with Lebron"

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7/3/2010  7:16 PM
amare was once all an star status, if he never got hurt he probably still will be. He puts up great numbers but he isn't a great defender but is way better than Lee on both ends. With that said, he deserves max money, big men is always over payed. But with his game based on agility and athleticism, I see his downward years are coming, and the knee injuries/eye make me a little paranoid.

He is still one of the TOP 5 FA for this summer. BRON, WADE, BOSH, DIRK, AMARE, then LEE, GAY, PIERCE. The first 5 are max players but some can be a leader and change a team themselves.
I think only lebron and wade are the true leaders that can do that. The rest are 2nd tier all stars.

I would still have to roll the dice on Amare we really had a deal for him. I agree he can attract more players than Lee can. I think Nash deserves some of the credit Amare has made for himself in the league. Nash is a great player and we don't currently have a ball handler/passer close to him.

I dont see Parker as a compliment player to the team though. Hes more of a scorer mentality and he gets some assist but I wouldn't call him a great passer, it's SPURS basketball with Duncan. Parker first of all isn't a great shooter or defender and court vision isn't as good as Nash. He lives on his ability to penetrate/slash. I really hope Walsh can see through this and not acquire him with Curry's contract. Hes beat up in my opinion, his speed, quickness, and athleticism are also on the decline. Even if he is our 3rd "star" to add to the Knicks, I dont see him being able to be consistant for another 4 years.

I would be content with keeping cap room or signing GOOD/CHEAP deals to serviceable preferably young players. Players like Shannon Brown, Luke Ridoner, Koufous, im really hoping Earl Barron will be back, maybe Arroyo, all for 3-5m max for 3-4 years. I dont it is a wise move to give anyone a max contract that isn't on my top 5. Maybe in the middle of the season, Chandler, TD, and/or whoever we sign will improve because of Amare's gain. With that and Eddy Curry's expiring, can we package that with the better of the Houston/New York pick for a good player? Who knows? BUT DONT PANIC WALSH! I really think Walsh is better off hiring some of the people on this board all the time. I have been so loyal yet heartbroken with this team.

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7/5/2010  11:48 PM
subzero0 wrote:
islesfan wrote:If he's offered Stoudemire a max contract, he's already panicking. There's probably a really good reason why Phoenix won't go over 4 years for him.

Johnson is likely staying in Atlanta for the max, Wade is staying in Miami and Bosh is likely to join him there. That leave LeBron and Stoudemire as the biggest free agents. They know they can't get LeBron unless they already have Stoudemire in the bag. But even if they get Stoudemire, there's no guarantee LeBron will sign.

This 2 year plan could be a failure of epic proportions, similar to the Isiah years. They've gutted their team, traded away future #1 picks, all in the hope of signing this guy. If he doesn't come here, it's going to get really ugly. And Walsh knows this.

If LeBron signs here then everything will be great. Even I'll be extremely happy and sing the Knicks praises. But if the gamble doesn't pay off, watch out.

The gamble wont pay off. Lebron is not coming and you know that.

They may sign a couple of players but you know as well as I do that whatever players they get wont be enough to bring us a championship.
The plan should have been to target the draft for rebuilding. Only going to free agency after we have drafted a championship level player. Only a fool would have thought that this Knick plan would have succeeded.

Amare fits this mold perfectly.

Walsh Don't PANIC

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