joec32033 wrote:

Finestrg wrote:Hey like I said, all that stuff is all well and good, we should be outlining a plan showing this man how he'll be able to make a ton of money here (though the blurb Metra posted clearly stated, "the report is light on the details of its methodology," which to me screams bias and inaccuracy), but IN ADDITION, we really needed to be talking about the roster and how we plan to improve it...The man wants to win -- and he want to know how we plan on doing it. With Lebron and what army??? You know what I mean? That's really it -- that's why he cancelled on the big dinner party in NY.. For 3 hours, there's only so much you can talk about the potential of Gallinari, TD and Chandler...I'd be willing to bet a better part of the meeting was devoted to this how to money-making slideshow. And to me that's sad. It's a part of the equation that shouldn't have been relied upon as much as I suspect it was or as much as it was because we failed to do other things to make this team better....Hey maybe I'm wrong and they nailed it in there -- I just am not getting a good feeling based on some of this stuff I've been reading. Bottom line for me -- we've done nothing to distinguish ourselves from these other teams for the last few seasons outside of cutting cap room at all costs. And that's what might come back to bite us in the end. Trust me, if this all goes south, there will be no other Knick fan more upset than me --- I want this to work and I want this guy --- but I just don't see how it's gonna get done...I feel like we went to a gun fight w/o any ammunition here and I'm a little embarrassed...Donnie still has some time to change a few things I guess so we'll see...I just feel like if in the meeting, they brought up a big move or two that they were prepared to make quickly (a 2nd big FA signing and a trade for someone like a Tony Parker), MDA & H2O wouldn't have come out of this meeting not knowing what kind of impression they made on the man....All I'm saying. I've been as optimistic as anyone throughout this whole process -- but even I can read between the lines when it don't look good..AND IT DON'T LOOK GOOD RIGHT NOW..

Why would the Knicks leak their future roster plans when that is kinda what got them in this situation where they are competing against Miami, and Jersey, and Chicago in the first place, by leaking the plans for their roster 2 years in advance...

Answer me this then -- so what was left to even talk about after the money-making slideshow was done playing? You're gonna tell me we got this far, all the way up to the sit down with this man and then are not gonna tell him everything we plan on doing? Nah I don't buy that..LeBron has to know everything we plan on doing from here on in -- he's the prize and he's the one making the final decision..Can you imagine he makes a decision to either return to Cleveland or go somewhere else (Chicago, NJ) only to find out later that we actually had a trade or two that we were working on that we never told him about that could've influenced his decision??? Forget Lebron, can you imagine the craziness that would cause among the Knick fanbase? Donnie would be getting death threats on a minute by minute basis. Donnie had to have disclosed everything pertinent today. I doubt he held anything back. If he did, he's a fool..I just don't know what else there was to say after the slideshow ended..

Finestrg wrote:

eViL wrote:yeah, the fact that all of the information was compiled by Interbrand, the premier consulting company when it comes to branding, is completely irrelevant right?

Yeah I think it is. Interbrand -- Who they hell are they? Is that some kind of a household name? Guaranteed there's a 90% chance or greater that LeBron James has never even heard of that company before in his life. That's supposed to mean something to him???

you might not know about Interbrand. maybe it's because your earning power is not effected by the strength of your brand. i've got a hunch that Lebron knows, or at least his financial advisors know, what Interbrand is.

Lebron IS a brand. he'd be a fool not to listen to the top global branding consultancy firm when it comes to growing his brand and earning money from it.

you think Lebron is concerned with our roster? why do you think many top names are waiting to see where he goes? Joe Johnson has not agreed to a FULL MAX contract offer from ATL. why? because if Lebron comes to NY, a big name will join him. maybe not Joe. maybe someone else. but one thing is certain, IF Lebron comes to the Knicks, he won't be coming alone. Lebron knows this.

what the Knicks did is they showed him something he might not know. they showed him the potential difference between his earnings here and his earnings elsewhere. he's gonna win wherever he goes. that's without question. he's after that billionaire status and all the Knicks did was address that.

Finestrg wrote:

metra wrote:

RealGM wrote:During their meeting with LeBron James, the Knicks showed the free agent how much more money he could possibly earn while playing in New York.

Interbrand says it ran through 50,000 computer models of a potential LeBron career, using more than 200 variables like individual performance, fan demographics and championships. The report is light on the details of its methodology, but comes to this conclusion: LeBron has a 50% chance of earning at least $1 billion in New York. In Cleveland and Chicago the odds fall to 1%. The study put a 0% chance of LeBron making $1 billion playing for Miami.

An NBA title in New York could be worth $240 million to LeBron, according to Interbrand, about $60 million more than if he brought a ring home to Cleveland, and more than double the value of a Chicago championship.

LeBron could potentially earn as much as $2 billion while playing in New York.

The estimate dwarfed the $700 million he’d likely earn in Cleveland, the $690 million in Chicago, and $600 million in Miami.

Source: http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/67707/20100701/knicks_showed_lebron_math_of_how_hed_earn_more_money_in_new_york/

That's the part that stood out to me. A little light on details...HAHA. What a farce..I betcha it was the most biased power point presentation ever created..

Honestly, do you think that any of the teams who make presentations are going to be unbiased in their presentations? Do you think Rod Thorn had a big smile on his face and told LeBron that he was pushed out of his position by the Russian, and that Kiki, the guy he hired was summarily faxed out of his Net's existence?

Think Chicago's owner is going to emphasize how stingy he has been in the past. Think Miami's owner is going to put a negative spin on the Heat?

For all we know the powerpoint presentation was a ten minute creation shown at the beginning or the end of the meeting.

Dolan showed him his moneybags, Houston told him how wonderfully the Knicks have treated him, Walsh told him how he was going to get LeBron any player he needs us to get, and MDA showed him how his offense will be organized around the things James can best do.

The Powerpoint was and appetizer or dessert, it was not the main meal.

EwingsGlass wrote:If I were the Russian, I would promise to deliver him the Russian market. There is probably some good money there.

You mean the Russian market or the black market...or is there even a difference.

sisqo8 wrote:dude that may be a new company to us... the guys that are not millionaires... but even if it is new to lebron... you can bet your ass that lebron went home and is doing research , and when he inds out what this company is.... that is hitting a grand slam man ! money talks and bull**** walks... thatll get someone in a new york state of mind !

Interbrand started in 1974 when the world still thought of brands as just another word for logo.
We have changed the world’s view of branding and brand management by creating and managing brands as valuable business assets.
We now have nearly 40 offices and are the world’s largest brand consultancy.
We bring together a diverse range of insightful thinkers making our business both rigorously analytical and highly creative.
Interbrand has the broadest geographical presence – offering more people, more disciplines, and more knowledge tailored to our clients. Our work goes deeper and further.
We create and manage brand value by making the brand central to the business’s strategic aims. We’re not interested in simply being the world’s biggest brand consultancy. We want to be the most valued.

They seem to be one of those behind the scenes companies that the international corporations cannot live without if they want to be major players. I actually have a feeling that LeBron might know who they are.

metra wrote:

RealGM wrote:During their meeting with LeBron James, the Knicks showed the free agent how much more money he could possibly earn while playing in New York.

Interbrand says it ran through 50,000 computer models of a potential LeBron career, using more than 200 variables like individual performance, fan demographics and championships. The report is light on the details of its methodology, but comes to this conclusion: LeBron has a 50% chance of earning at least $1 billion in New York. In Cleveland and Chicago the odds fall to 1%. The study put a 0% chance of LeBron making $1 billion playing for Miami.

An NBA title in New York could be worth $240 million to LeBron, according to Interbrand, about $60 million more than if he brought a ring home to Cleveland, and more than double the value of a Chicago championship.

LeBron could potentially earn as much as $2 billion while playing in New York.

The estimate dwarfed the $700 million he’d likely earn in Cleveland, the $690 million in Chicago, and $600 million in Miami.

Source: http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/67707/20100701/knicks_showed_lebron_math_of_how_hed_earn_more_money_in_new_york/

Looks like derivative calculation...
Good numbers... Then it called buble...

eViL wrote:i love how somehow it's a bad thing that the Knicks addressed something that Lebron has openly stated is important to him. i love how pretty much everyone has always talked about how the NY market creates more opportunities for earning money in endorsements, but somehow the Knicks had to rig a powerpoint presentation to present some sham claim that he could earn more here. i love how the Nets putting up a billboard across the street is lauded as the best move ever coming off of a 12 win season. self-hating Knicks fans need to chill out or pull a DJ.

and by pull a DJ, i mean switch teams. not to be mistaken with letting a slew of bikers gangbang you in an alleyway which, confusingly enough, is also called pulling a DJ.

I'm not saying it's a bad thing...I'm saying it probably wasn't enough.