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daddynel
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1/14/2004  8:24 PM
just curious, considering the fact that zeke has all the balls in the world. can he buy out all the haters on this forum?
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1/14/2004  8:41 PM
Ok I just heard on the wfan in toronto 590 am former players and announcers who gave their take on Wilkens coming back to coach the knicks. The report fellas is not good.
JAMES DOLAN on Isiah : He's a good friend of mine and of the organization and I will continue to solicit his views. He will always have strong ties to me and the team.
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1/14/2004  8:45 PM
Posted by playa2:

Ok I just heard on the wfan in toronto 590 am former players and announcers who gave their take on Wilkens coming back to coach the knicks. The report fellas is not good.

Can you elaborate on which players were giving comment?
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1/14/2004  8:46 PM
Posted by Rich:
Posted by CanadianKnicksFan:

I have watched Lenny up close for 3 years as raps head coach and believe me it was a disaster

Like, Penny is done?

Penny LOL whatever
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1/14/2004  8:47 PM
Posted by playa2:

Ok I just heard on the wfan in toronto 590 am former players and announcers who gave their take on Wilkens coming back to coach the knicks. The report fellas is not good.

Told ya
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1/14/2004  8:48 PM
Posted by Andrew:
Posted by playa2:

Ok I just heard on the wfan in toronto 590 am former players and announcers who gave their take on Wilkens coming back to coach the knicks. The report fellas is not good.

Can you elaborate on which players were giving comment?

Vince Carter
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1/14/2004  8:53 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylc=X3oDMTBqam1ocWIyBF9TAzk1ODYxOTQ4BHNlYwNlY2w-?slug=bridgingthegap&prov=cnnsi&type=lgns
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1/14/2004  8:55 PM
The people in Toronta WAS SHOCKED when they heard of this hiring and said this move was a joke! They said Wilkens was brought here so that Zeke could manipulate everymove without any conflict and was actually doing Wilkens a favor by letting him coach again and in return Thomas could run the team from his GM position. They even said that the move was a ticket sales thing and since I have been watching the commericials lately with Starbury I believe it. Vince Carter said he isn't a coach who would give a boost to a team struggling because he is a passive coach and wouldn't be in a players face. The thing that stood out was they said that Zeke had to get his own puppet so he could do whatever he wanted to do as if he was coaching himself. Carter said Wilkens didn't understand the players of today , even though he was a teacher of the game. Much more was said about Wilkens, like if he coached self motivated players then it might work out if not look for the team to struggle eventually after the honeymoon wears off. Funny thing that was said was all those who brag about him being from(born)Brooklyn, they said he hasn't lived in NY for 40 yrs and that his roots are planted in Seattle now. Funny thing is He coaches his first game against Seattle. They(announcers) also said that Zeke and Dolan are playing the knicks fans as "FOOLS" and that this is a marketing move.

[Edited by - playa2 on 01/14/2004 21:13:16]
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1/14/2004  9:17 PM
People in Toronto even said that Zeke needed a "FALL GUY" so when things go wrong the blame will fall on the coach instead of it being because of his basketball transactions.
JAMES DOLAN on Isiah : He's a good friend of mine and of the organization and I will continue to solicit his views. He will always have strong ties to me and the team.
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1/14/2004  9:53 PM
Posted by playa2:

People in Toronto even said that Zeke needed a "FALL GUY" so when things go wrong the blame will fall on the coach instead of it being because of his basketball transactions.

Then the people in Toronto are naive. This is Isiah's show, and he is going to get the credit or the blame. He knows it, and everyone in NY knows it too.
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Posted by playa2:

The people in Toronta WAS SHOCKED when they heard of this hiring and said this move was a joke! They said Wilkens was brought here so that Zeke could manipulate everymove without any conflict and was actually doing Wilkens a favor by letting him coach again and in return Thomas could run the team from his GM position. They even said that the move was a ticket sales thing and since I have been watching the commericials lately with Starbury I believe it. Vince Carter said he isn't a coach who would give a boost to a team struggling because he is a passive coach and wouldn't be in a players face. The thing that stood out was they said that Zeke had to get his own puppet so he could do whatever he wanted to do as if he was coaching himself. Carter said Wilkens didn't understand the players of today , even though he was a teacher of the game. Much more was said about Wilkens, like if he coached self motivated players then it might work out if not look for the team to struggle eventually after the honeymoon wears off. Funny thing that was said was all those who brag about him being from(born)Brooklyn, they said he hasn't lived in NY for 40 yrs and that his roots are planted in Seattle now. Funny thing is He coaches his first game against Seattle. They(announcers) also said that Zeke and Dolan are playing the knicks fans as "FOOLS" and that this is a marketing move.

[Edited by - playa2 on 01/14/2004 21:13:16]


honestly that doesn't sound unrealistic...
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1/14/2004  10:02 PM
I loved what I saw tonight but we really need a shot blocker to play when Deke is on the bench. Doleac is good but he's an offensive guy. We have plenty of those. We need another defensive bigman. I'm pretty sure Isiah will get us one. Either Swift,Camby or Gooden would be nice.

Man Herb did a great job today just playing the right players. I think herb will make a good head coach. He was the only coach who got up and yelled "Foul Him" to H20.

Man this feels great! can't wait til Friday!
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1/14/2004  10:09 PM
guns...the guy we need is Swift.

Wilkens knows more about basketball than the Toronto fans can ever know. Toronto is a pathetic basketball city. They know HOCKEY, that's all.

Wilkens had a rough ime ther because of Vince Carter. he was hurt and he pouted. When that team was healthy they were good. remember they had a last second shot to beat Philly the year Philly went to the finals. (vince missed it!)

Playa, you always wanted to give chaney a break even though I said, he was horrible from the start. Let's see what Wilkens does the rest of this year, before we judge him.

We already know herb is better!
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1/14/2004  10:10 PM
Think that Lenny's soft ways can help at first as we can become a offensive force.But after a while the problems that happened in Toronto will creep up.Lax D,Lazy practices,Ass Kissing players like Mo Pete & Alvin Williams,while pissing off Charles Oakly & AD.

What was lenny thinking last year?
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1/14/2004  10:11 PM
West won't give up Swift for nonething,Jerry West wins almost all of his trades
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1/14/2004  10:12 PM
Posted by GoNyGoNyGo:

guns...the guy we need is Swift.

Wilkens knows more about basketball than the Toronto fans can ever know. Toronto is a pathetic basketball city. They know HOCKEY, that's all.

Wilkens had a rough ime ther because of Vince Carter. he was hurt and he pouted. When that team was healthy they were good. remember they had a last second shot to beat Philly the year Philly went to the finals. (vince missed it!)

Playa, you always wanted to give chaney a break even though I said, he was horrible from the start. Let's see what Wilkens does the rest of this year, before we judge him.

We already know herb is better!

Wilkens was lazy plain & simple ask any NBA fan about his work last season.

Carter was hurt so what.

No excuses right!
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1/14/2004  10:13 PM
I will tell you Tornto is a better BBall city then DC,Orlando,Atlanta & many more
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1/14/2004  10:29 PM
Posted by GoNyGoNyGo:

guns...the guy we need is Swift.

Wilkens knows more about basketball than the Toronto fans can ever know. Toronto is a pathetic basketball city. They know HOCKEY, that's all.

Wilkens had a rough ime ther because of Vince Carter. he was hurt and he pouted. When that team was healthy they were good. remember they had a last second shot to beat Philly the year Philly went to the finals. (vince missed it!)

Playa, you always wanted to give chaney a break even though I said, he was horrible from the start. Let's see what Wilkens does the rest of this year, before we judge him.

We already know herb is better!

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Gony that wasn't just fans talking, that was announcers who do the games for them. Just like if Marv and Clyde gave the 411 on a coach or player it would hold some credibility.
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1/14/2004  10:33 PM
Posted by playa2:
Posted by GoNyGoNyGo:

guns...the guy we need is Swift.

Wilkens knows more about basketball than the Toronto fans can ever know. Toronto is a pathetic basketball city. They know HOCKEY, that's all.

Wilkens had a rough ime ther because of Vince Carter. he was hurt and he pouted. When that team was healthy they were good. remember they had a last second shot to beat Philly the year Philly went to the finals. (vince missed it!)

Playa, you always wanted to give chaney a break even though I said, he was horrible from the start. Let's see what Wilkens does the rest of this year, before we judge him.

We already know herb is better!

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Gony that wasn't just fans talking, that was announcers who do the games for them. Just like if Marv and Clyde gave the 411 on a coach or player it would hold some credibility.

RAps GM Glen Grundwald was very unhappy with Lenny by midseason but bit the bullet and waited till seasons end and got Kevin O Neil a former NYK assitant and defensive guru
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1/14/2004  11:17 PM
http://www.torontosun.com/Slam030418/col_harris-sun.html

Scope on Lenny
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