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Larry Coon article: How many max players can each team afford?
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fishmike
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6/30/2010  10:58 AM
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VDesai wrote:
fishmike wrote:
VDesai wrote:So there are only 3 teams (i'm including the Heat re-signing Wade) that can legitimately truly afford 2 max FA's...very interesting.

If this is the case why are the Knicks dilly dallying with Joe Johnson? They should just offer Lebron+Bosh and tell them you basically can only play as a packaged deal here or NJ and see what the reaction is.

I totally agree. How or why JJ is the key is beyond me. Give me Amare first

Yup, the PF will be harder to acquire. JJ is ball dominant player and really would clash with Lebron just as Wade would (in theory). I think we get Lebron and Amare or Bosh and then we see what Eddy Curry's expiring + Chandler can bring us in a trade.

I agree that JJ is ball dominant but I would also add that one of the reasons ALT coach was fired was because he had zero creativity for their offense - very player iso based - and the ball seemed to stick in his hands a lot. Could have been the player, could have been the system.

But we do know that he did fit in very well when he was in PHO.

a passing, shooting big athletic guard in MDAs offense is like poetry in motion. How the game is supposed to be played.

Thing I dont really see is LBJ + JJ = no froncourt. Gallo is not a 4, which leaves you with Mikki Moore caliber guys. Maybe Earl Barron. You max out LBJ and JJ whats your lineup?

PG Douglas
SG JJ
SF Gallo
PF LBJ
C Chandler
bench: Walker, Fields, Jerome

I guess Walsh is pretty confident he can flip Curry for a big? Elton Brand? OK4?

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6/30/2010  11:03 AM
Rockets won 42 games starting 6'6 Chuck Hayes at center. Scola and Landry were the only other bigs in the rotation.

Suns won 55 games w/ Diaw at center and Marion at PF.

You can win a lot of games outscoring everyone but you wont beat a big team in the playoffs.

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6/30/2010  11:14 AM
I think the JJ stuff is just about looking into a S&T for him. I don't think the Knicks ever took their eyes off Lebron/Bosh.
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6/30/2010  11:23 AM
Silverfuel wrote:
VDesai wrote:So there are only 3 teams (i'm including the Heat re-signing Wade) that can legitimately truly afford 2 max FA's...very interesting.

If this is the case why are the Knicks dilly dallying with Joe Johnson? They should just offer Lebron+Bosh and tell them you basically can only play as a packaged deal here or NJ and see what the reaction is.


I wonder how true that report is. We will find out soon!

How true have any of the reports been? Everything has come from sources sources and "reliable" sourses. The guy in that article, if you didn't read it, flat out said Joe Johnson is a better player than LeBron, and he even said LeBron was just good, from what I remember. It sounded like an article coming out of the onion.

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6/30/2010  11:40 AM
loweyecue wrote:All this silliness about 3 Max players in Miami needs to stop.

This morning ESPN radio had an agent whose clients included Duncan, G. Hill, and other. In an attempt to address the issue of players taking less $$ to help the team's chances of winning a title, he was asked, point blank, what was the #1 item of importance on the list he usually makes up with his clients before contract negotiations. The $$ is the most important factor, all things being equal, and he said it was overwhelmingly so. (although his guy Duncan went against this trend a few years ago.)

Bosh will probably not take less money to play on some dream team with Wade and James. Wade and James both do much better in the marketing arena than Bosh. When asked about the possibility of playing with Wade and James on Miami- Riley's dream team, Bosh allegedly said he could not see it happening- because he probably knows that it would mean a less than max contract. Does not mean it can't happen, just that it is very doubtful.

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6/30/2010  1:11 PM
Stoudemire's maximum salary is $18,770,405

Probably why we cancelled our meeting with Amare Stoudemire per BT.

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6/30/2010  1:24 PM
Paladin55 wrote:
loweyecue wrote:All this silliness about 3 Max players in Miami needs to stop.

This morning ESPN radio had an agent whose clients included Duncan, G. Hill, and other. In an attempt to address the issue of players taking less $$ to help the team's chances of winning a title, he was asked, point blank, what was the #1 item of importance on the list he usually makes up with his clients before contract negotiations. The $$ is the most important factor, all things being equal, and he said it was overwhelmingly so. (although his guy Duncan went against this trend a few years ago.)

Bosh will probably not take less money to play on some dream team with Wade and James. Wade and James both do much better in the marketing arena than Bosh. When asked about the possibility of playing with Wade and James on Miami- Riley's dream team, Bosh allegedly said he could not see it happening- because he probably knows that it would mean a less than max contract. Does not mean it can't happen, just that it is very doubtful.

agents also have a lot of influence on these guys and they are paid from a cut of the players wages + endorsments. There is a reason agents are highly motivated to get their clients the big $$$.
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6/30/2010  1:50 PM
fishmike wrote:
Paladin55 wrote:
loweyecue wrote:All this silliness about 3 Max players in Miami needs to stop.

This morning ESPN radio had an agent whose clients included Duncan, G. Hill, and other. In an attempt to address the issue of players taking less $$ to help the team's chances of winning a title, he was asked, point blank, what was the #1 item of importance on the list he usually makes up with his clients before contract negotiations. The $$ is the most important factor, all things being equal, and he said it was overwhelmingly so. (although his guy Duncan went against this trend a few years ago.)

Bosh will probably not take less money to play on some dream team with Wade and James. Wade and James both do much better in the marketing arena than Bosh. When asked about the possibility of playing with Wade and James on Miami- Riley's dream team, Bosh allegedly said he could not see it happening- because he probably knows that it would mean a less than max contract. Does not mean it can't happen, just that it is very doubtful.

agents also have a lot of influence on these guys and they are paid from a cut of the players wages + endorsments. There is a reason agents are highly motivated to get their clients the big $$$.

I understand that agents benefit from higher contracts, but he was going from his experience, and I felt that he was almost a bit hesitant to say that the players are only going after the $$.

Whether it is Bosh or his agent who wants the max contract at all costs is somewhat meaningless, though, because the end result is the same, and there is no "dream team."

The Miami/Toronto trade of Beasly, Chalmers and (Joel?) Anthony for Bosh would give you a chance for a dream team, but from what I can see, the Miami Heat might have to be renamed the Miami Trio because they will only have the big 3 and a bunch of DLeaguers.

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6/30/2010  5:09 PM
Some interesting scenarios I've come up with:

If We Buyout Eddy Curry

* 3 Max (or close to max) Free agents - David Lee is renounced
* 2 max FA's, 6m in cap space for free agent supporting cast, and signing David for whatever amount (Max or not)

Trading Eddy Curry surfaces some interesting scenarios; If we get several players in return, we could potentially waive some and use the rest as supporting cast, and perhaps still maintain enough cap to keep David Lee.

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6/30/2010  5:16 PM
technomaster wrote:Some interesting scenarios I've come up with:

If We Buyout Eddy Curry

* 3 Max (or close to max) Free agents - David Lee is renounced
* 2 max FA's, 6m in cap space for free agent supporting cast, and signing David for whatever amount (Max or not)

Trading Eddy Curry surfaces some interesting scenarios; If we get several players in return, we could potentially waive some and use the rest as supporting cast, and perhaps still maintain enough cap to keep David Lee.

you are aware that his salary stays on the cap if we buy him out, right?

and eddy wouldn't accept a single cent less for a buyout. he filed for bankruptcy, he needs every penny right now.

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6/30/2010  5:19 PM
No, I guess I wasn't aware that there's no way to get rid of Eddy besides trading him...
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6/30/2010  5:35 PM
technomaster wrote:No, I guess I wasn't aware that there's no way to get rid of Eddy besides trading him...

Well... there may be another way, but it would be wrong.

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6/30/2010  6:29 PM
I think the focus of the Knicks will be that they can add another good player next year or right now if they can somehow move Curry. The Curry/Chandler for JJ3 deal is a HUGE piece of the puzzle and I think because of his special relationship with Arn Tellem, DW may just be able to make this move happen. The Hawks will be somewhat forced to make something happen so that their fans don't go crazy if they lose JJ3 for nothing. Tellem and JJ3 can force their hand somewhat by letting them know they want NY and won't sign with ATL.

That's the real reason for going to JJ3 1st. You get that done and then head over to Lebron and it's a much easier sell to him that you've got the best team for him to go to.

Larry Coon article: How many max players can each team afford?

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