KnicksSince88 wrote:

sidsanders wrote:

KnicksSince88 wrote:

sidsanders wrote:

KnicksSince88 wrote:

sidsanders wrote:i dont see those 2 as anything but hoping for them to play like they did for the suns 5+ years ago. pass.

Its not ideal, but what else do you want to do if other guys turn us down? I wouldnt mind sitting on the money and preserving cap health going forward, live through a few more years of sucking and get in the lotto, but we don't have our draft picks, so that would be kinda pointless. We win 30 games next year we don't even have our pick

This would be a decent start, and we'd still have room to improve. Still have some cap flexability going forward after these moves, have who I think is a potential all star in the fold in Gallo (you may disagree). It wouldn't just be Amare and JJ leading the team on their back.

this is what i would rather do if they main targets dont show. trade for some guys with potential or eat a bad contract to pick up some 1st round picks, etc... dont really see things working well going the route of adding big $$$ mid tier guys. has never worked well for the knicks. always a first for stuff, however i dont see it with the plan b -ZZZ guys.

We likely wouldn't have our picks though for the next 2 seasons because of the Jared Jeffries trade, so sucking wouldn't net us any benefits whatsoever. And why would you want to eat a bad contract in a potential trade for a lotto pick which may or may not be realistic anyway (we certainly wouldn't be able to nab a top 5 pick). That sort of defeats the purpose of having cap room, Id rather spend the money on a good player, than cap myself out with a bad contract just to get the 8th or 9th pick in a draft (which may or may not be realistic anyway).

cuz adding good (at long term, high $$$) == nothing in terms of titles, minus elite talent (unless we become the second team to win with zero elite players). id rather take a chance at eating an expiring contract to get some young cheaper guys then add maxed out good players who wont bring us a title

Who's going to trade us a young potential young elite difference maker just for eating a bad contract (a young potential top 10 type player which you are craving for)? If your whole thought process is unless the guy is a top 10 player, i have no interest, we probably won't be good until like 2018 at the earliest. 2013 we finally get our picks, figure suck for a few years in the lotto, add some talent, it comes together and best case we're good by the end of this decade. You can build through the draft or through free agency but Donnie made the former a non-option when he made the rockets trade

this team has tried the trade for a star, sign long term guys and it hasnt worked due to poor choices. going after mid tier talent feels like a poor choice to me. im thinking if the guy is a fa, and he isnt elite, im not maxing him (or close to max). i dont have the correct route to take...

2018, its been almost 40, y not make it 50 for the next title...

sidsanders wrote:

KnicksSince88 wrote:

sidsanders wrote:

KnicksSince88 wrote:

sidsanders wrote:

KnicksSince88 wrote:

sidsanders wrote:i dont see those 2 as anything but hoping for them to play like they did for the suns 5+ years ago. pass.

Its not ideal, but what else do you want to do if other guys turn us down? I wouldnt mind sitting on the money and preserving cap health going forward, live through a few more years of sucking and get in the lotto, but we don't have our draft picks, so that would be kinda pointless. We win 30 games next year we don't even have our pick

This would be a decent start, and we'd still have room to improve. Still have some cap flexability going forward after these moves, have who I think is a potential all star in the fold in Gallo (you may disagree). It wouldn't just be Amare and JJ leading the team on their back.

this is what i would rather do if they main targets dont show. trade for some guys with potential or eat a bad contract to pick up some 1st round picks, etc... dont really see things working well going the route of adding big $$$ mid tier guys. has never worked well for the knicks. always a first for stuff, however i dont see it with the plan b -ZZZ guys.

We likely wouldn't have our picks though for the next 2 seasons because of the Jared Jeffries trade, so sucking wouldn't net us any benefits whatsoever. And why would you want to eat a bad contract in a potential trade for a lotto pick which may or may not be realistic anyway (we certainly wouldn't be able to nab a top 5 pick). That sort of defeats the purpose of having cap room, Id rather spend the money on a good player, than cap myself out with a bad contract just to get the 8th or 9th pick in a draft (which may or may not be realistic anyway).

cuz adding good (at long term, high $$$) == nothing in terms of titles, minus elite talent (unless we become the second team to win with zero elite players). id rather take a chance at eating an expiring contract to get some young cheaper guys then add maxed out good players who wont bring us a title

Who's going to trade us a young potential young elite difference maker just for eating a bad contract (a young potential top 10 type player which you are craving for)? If your whole thought process is unless the guy is a top 10 player, i have no interest, we probably won't be good until like 2018 at the earliest. 2013 we finally get our picks, figure suck for a few years in the lotto, add some talent, it comes together and best case we're good by the end of this decade. You can build through the draft or through free agency but Donnie made the former a non-option when he made the rockets trade

this team has tried the trade for a star, sign long term guys and it hasnt worked due to poor choices. going after mid tier talent feels like a poor choice to me. im thinking if the guy is a fa, and he isnt elite, im not maxing him (or close to max). i dont have the correct route to take...

2018, its been almost 40, y not make it 50 for the next title...

I would SO be on board with preserving a ton of cap space, winning 25 games the next few years, get in the lotto, hit on a couple picks, and then flex our cap room muscle when we have a nice young core in place, but the Rockets trade really cancels that out as an option to me. Its going to just be ridiculous to sit through another couple bad years where we won't even have our rightful pick to show for it, its happened enough already this decade

Plus, regardless of what either of us feel, im certain that the guy making the call here (Donnie Walsh) does not consider that an option whatsoever. His time is running out, he won't be here for a long rebuild, and he knows hes going to be blasted if we suck the next couple years and Houston gets our picks. He's going to act and do something this offseason

KnicksSince88 wrote:

sidsanders wrote:

KnicksSince88 wrote:

sidsanders wrote:

KnicksSince88 wrote:

sidsanders wrote:

KnicksSince88 wrote:

sidsanders wrote:i dont see those 2 as anything but hoping for them to play like they did for the suns 5+ years ago. pass.

Its not ideal, but what else do you want to do if other guys turn us down? I wouldnt mind sitting on the money and preserving cap health going forward, live through a few more years of sucking and get in the lotto, but we don't have our draft picks, so that would be kinda pointless. We win 30 games next year we don't even have our pick

This would be a decent start, and we'd still have room to improve. Still have some cap flexability going forward after these moves, have who I think is a potential all star in the fold in Gallo (you may disagree). It wouldn't just be Amare and JJ leading the team on their back.

this is what i would rather do if they main targets dont show. trade for some guys with potential or eat a bad contract to pick up some 1st round picks, etc... dont really see things working well going the route of adding big $$$ mid tier guys. has never worked well for the knicks. always a first for stuff, however i dont see it with the plan b -ZZZ guys.

We likely wouldn't have our picks though for the next 2 seasons because of the Jared Jeffries trade, so sucking wouldn't net us any benefits whatsoever. And why would you want to eat a bad contract in a potential trade for a lotto pick which may or may not be realistic anyway (we certainly wouldn't be able to nab a top 5 pick). That sort of defeats the purpose of having cap room, Id rather spend the money on a good player, than cap myself out with a bad contract just to get the 8th or 9th pick in a draft (which may or may not be realistic anyway).

cuz adding good (at long term, high $$$) == nothing in terms of titles, minus elite talent (unless we become the second team to win with zero elite players). id rather take a chance at eating an expiring contract to get some young cheaper guys then add maxed out good players who wont bring us a title

Who's going to trade us a young potential young elite difference maker just for eating a bad contract (a young potential top 10 type player which you are craving for)? If your whole thought process is unless the guy is a top 10 player, i have no interest, we probably won't be good until like 2018 at the earliest. 2013 we finally get our picks, figure suck for a few years in the lotto, add some talent, it comes together and best case we're good by the end of this decade. You can build through the draft or through free agency but Donnie made the former a non-option when he made the rockets trade

this team has tried the trade for a star, sign long term guys and it hasnt worked due to poor choices. going after mid tier talent feels like a poor choice to me. im thinking if the guy is a fa, and he isnt elite, im not maxing him (or close to max). i dont have the correct route to take...

2018, its been almost 40, y not make it 50 for the next title...

I would SO be on board with preserving a ton of cap space, winning 25 games the next few years, get in the lotto, hit on a couple picks, and then flex our cap room muscle when we have a nice young core in place, but the Rockets trade really cancels that out as an option to me. Its going to just be ridiculous to sit through another couple bad years where we won't even have our rightful pick to show for it, its happened enough already this decade

Plus, regardless of what either of us feel, im certain that the guy making the call here (Donnie Walsh) does not consider that an option whatsoever. His time is running out, he won't be here for a long rebuild, and he knows hes going to be blasted if we suck the next couple years and Houston gets our picks. He's going to act and do something this offseason

argh, the non awesome scenarios kinda stink. i gotta hope 1 of the scenarios they envision is that the dont land the 2 main guys and they do sit out the off season except to add some decent priced guys or resign lee. thats not much of a prize considering all the moves they made and that they coulda dealt with lee before now. im hoping for lbj and ill take jj or maybe even agent nutbag if lbj wants him...

BasketballJones wrote:

sidsanders wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

Childs2Dudley wrote:That plan B is pretty awful, no offense. Unless you're content with first round playoff for the next 3-4 years until we start asking for both these guys to be traded.

what are they going to do? no choice at this point, except to sign guys. melo's about to be locked up to another contract, i don't see howard leaving the magic, paul still isn't going anywhere. gotta get guys at this point and hope it works out.

why lock into a scenario where on the surface, you have little chance of winning it all? if they miss on the elite 2, go for some young guys or make some trades for potential talent over locking up guys who will be the next marbs/randolphs/etc.

Then the problem is D'Antoni who isn't into developing guys. As long as D'Antoni is around, they're going to go for some vets.

im against maxed out vets like jj. bring in vets at "reasonable" cost or years, that shouldnt be too bad. now, what is reasonable... that depends on the vet and maybe what needs are left to be filled. since all that depends on hitting a home run (or 2) or striking out... too much speculation... by me and the media.

Now we are being sold on the suns without nash, marion and barbosa? How that makes us relevant I don't know. So we can be a 5 or 6 seed???

I can't say I'm suprised because this franchise is a joke and karma never dies. When the nets move to bk the are a better franchise. Period. The history of this team is not storied or special. They are not a top 10 team all time and this owner has somehow fopund away to make nyc irrelevant.

And walsh has done a very poor job. Ebanks the best defender in college basketball is on the board and he takes a kid from stanford. Defense is an issue you take the kid. We have no chance in the draft because walsh didn't do his hw and panic midseason and had to move a kid whose confidence was destroyed and whose value was at an all time low. Washington took a laughable deal and we had a better package and draft choices to go along with it.

And is Amare even better than lee? Perhaps, but david takes 9 last offseason, amare wants 17. And let's not forget the heat might take him from us. Sad day for one of the nbas worst teams this decade.

MS wrote:So essentially we could have just resigned lee at a reasonable price and hung onto zach and jamal and not given up our draft pick made the playoffs and had a ton of depth and cap space coming into next summer.

Now we are being sold on the suns without nash, marion and barbosa? How that makes us relevant I don't know. So we can be a 5 or 6 seed???

I can't say I'm suprised because this franchise is a joke and karma never dies. When the nets move to bk the are a better franchise. Period. The history of this team is not storied or special. They are not a top 10 team all time and this owner has somehow fopund away to make nyc irrelevant.

And walsh has done a very poor job. Ebanks the best defender in college basketball is on the board and he takes a kid from stanford. Defense is an issue you take the kid. We have no chance in the draft because walsh didn't do his hw and panic midseason and had to move a kid whose confidence was destroyed and whose value was at an all time low. Washington took a laughable deal and we had a better package and draft choices to go along with it.

And is Amare even better than lee? Perhaps, but david takes 9 last offseason, amare wants 17. And let's not forget the heat might take him from us. Sad day for one of the nbas worst teams this decade.

Why resign Lee and take yourself out of the Lebron chase? (Lebron aint coming by himself). And Yes, Amare is better than Lee.

Vmart wrote:This is nothing new we already knew who the Knicks were targeting. Its LeBron, Wade, Bosh, Amare, Johnson those are their main targets.

Exactly.

And after that? It's Boozer and Okafor(trade) and things such as that. Let us just hope it's not Arenas or some trash like that as a panic move - like how Chicago had all that money nobody wanted and they threw the max at Jalen Rose just to sign... ANYBODY.

Joe Johnson, IMO, is this year's Jalen Rose.

Get the max late in the summer from a team nobody else would sign with. Proceed to be mediocre.