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Nalod
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1/14/2004  10:27 AM

Thomas hung Chaney out to dry. Chaney never had a chance.

Thus, he should have been fired on December 22nd. It did not take a rocket scientist to figure he was over his head.
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1/14/2004  11:34 AM
Posted by Nalod:


Thomas hung Chaney out to dry. Chaney never had a chance.

Thus, he should have been fired on December 22nd. It did not take a rocket scientist to figure he was over his head.

Ok Nalod, I see you don't think Thomas is that great of a GM. Don't you understand that in public he can't say he is going to fire Chaney? Then players and staff would really lose confidence in their leadership. However he attempts to not tip his hand...Layden did the same thing but he was so closed mouthed and so far from letting the media touch him that it hurt the team.

Take your quote for an example...you think Marbury has lost faith in Thomas? I doubt it - they are building a winning situation here, there is a commitment to change for the better and thats why its a good situation and the moves being made are solid. Just relax.
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1/14/2004  11:49 AM

We can't use laydog as the bench mark. Laydog could not fire him.

Thomas tipped his hat with his actions. No need to say the words, Chaney was toast from day one and the team suffered.

Of course Marbury is ok with thomas. Im not worried about Steph, but the faster the other knicks get on board with what steph can do, then the faster we get this thing buttoned down.

No need to back up everything Thomas does. He will make mistakes. This is not fatal, but if he is going to be an effective manager, he must be very surgical at times and get it done.

Laydog was anything but. But he is gone. Thomas said he wanted to "calm the waters". His actions did anything but that. Im holding him to his word. In three weeks, Thomas says one thing, and does another. Layden said nothing and did nothing. Two Wrongs don't make a right. Three lefts do!

Thomas loves the spot light and loved being in control of the information on Letterman. Then the next day (as reported) he makes this change? I understand he could not do it on letterman, nor without talking to Chaney first, but if your not telling the truth, your lying. So Thomas should have not put himself in that situation.

Again, lets not use Laydog as the benchmark. We should be using a higher goal. And if Thomas is going to back peddle on the majority of statements, then can he be trusted?

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1/14/2004  12:27 PM
Posted by KVH:

Doc said he didn't want to coach this year, the KNICKS couldn't wait that long, i understand what ZEKE is doing !!! Its about now, not next season !!! Doc is good but not worth the wait of losing this year just to wait on him next year & even then he may not come here !!!

I agree with that. Doc isnt coaching this year and is not worth waiting for. Fratello may even be a better coach.

Also, that was a very good point someone made about how much Terrell Brandon flourished under Fratello. and Mike is a very successful NBA coach. You can tell how smart a guy he is just by listening to him on TNT.

I think he will coach the offense so that it suits them. Marbury will continue to do his thing by pushing the ball up and hitting big shots.

Man I'm so glad I can go back to routing hard for this team, with some hope this time around.

I predict that we'll be hitting full stride by next week!! after the players get a feel for how to play real "Mike Fratello" defense. Then once we get going there's no stopping us!
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1/14/2004  12:42 PM
Finally, Done the Moron Chaney is gone. Best news since Layden got fired, man I never expected so many good things out of this season. That was the only thing I wanted to come out of a season that I expected to be full of misery, the firing of Laydumb and Chump Chaney. As for all of you people who feel bad for the man, how about integrity? He has given excuse after excuse for not being able to have a .500 record in the freakin EAST! He has never taken responsibility for anything in his entire tenure as a Kinick. His attitude has transfered to the players, as they find excuses after excuses instread of admittin their wrongs and working to correct them. Chaney is a cancer that needed to be amputated. And Thomas is just being a smart PR man, he has to say liy sometimes to get thigns done, he can make sacrafices to the devil for all i care as long as he gets this team to finally perform up to its potential.
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1/14/2004  12:47 PM
Posted by Nalod:

Thomas hung Chaney out to dry. Chaney never had a chance.

Thus, he should have been fired on December 22nd. It did not take a rocket scientist to figure he was over his head.

I still don't understand how you think Thomas hung Chaney out to dry. This has been IT's process: Evaluate, make desicion, find new coach. At what point was the 'drying' process taking place. It's not like he said there is going to be a new coach and then waited a month or 2 to replace.
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1/14/2004  1:06 PM
they should've just fired him this morning and let Malone coach today. What is Isiah doing?
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1/14/2004  1:12 PM
Again Mike and Dog are showing they know nothing about the nba or the Knicks by saying that Chaney doesn't deserve ti be fired. and dog just said he rather have Isiah as coach then Fratello. The bad thing about this is that losts of fans listen and will accept what they say only because they know Baseball/Football.
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1/14/2004  1:16 PM
Yeah I am listening to that madness, too.

They both need to shut the hell up. What Martin said was right on point. Zeke's not hanging anyone out to dry. Chaney's had this coming.

Another season, and more adversity to persevere through. We will get the job done, even BETTER than last year. GO KNICKS!
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1/14/2004  1:20 PM
Posted by HARDCOREKNICKSFAN:

Yeah I am listening to that madness, too.

They both need to shut the hell up. What Martin said was right on point. Zeke's not hanging anyone out to dry. Chaney's had this coming.

yes... first, not playing FWill. Doing the whole zone thing. Do you'all remember the first game of the year? I don't rememeber exactly what happened at the end, but everyone was saying the Chaney lost the game, not the Knick players.
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1/14/2004  1:20 PM
This is great news. Fratello is a great hire. An experienced, succesful coach coming over midseason is tremendous. Everyone last remember the slow down, boring style he had in Cleveland, but he can adjust to the style of team he has. He didn't have much talent in Cleveland, but was able to get them to the playoffs virtually every year. He will figure out a way to do that here.

He is a great, defensive minded coach, and this team needs some vision on defense. I think he can tighten things up, and hopefully get close to turning this thing around soon.

Look, he may not have been my personal number one choice, but considering the circumstances, he is a great choice, and we will be a better team.
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1/14/2004  2:25 PM
I agree, people(Mike and dog) are focusing way to much on his style with cleveland. and freak Mad dog is bashing him saying that his record was good because they were good teams. Thats such horse ****! I wish the people who call the show would prove to him how wrong he is. They didn't even see the Dallas game, the last game they saw was the Houston game and they are saying that yeah chaney didn't do a good job that game but give him a chance. How about Cleveland and Dallas mother****ers!! These guys have huge power in NY so casual fans will take their word which is aparently what they aredoing since out of the 10 callers 9 agreed with them
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1/14/2004  2:26 PM
Posted by HARDCOREKNICKSFAN:

Yeah I am listening to that madness, too.

They both need to shut the hell up. What Martin said was right on point. Zeke's not hanging anyone out to dry. Chaney's had this coming.
I agree with Mike and Dog about one thing. If this is true, as soon as word got out, Isiah should have called Dona dn let him know. letting sit around all day is crazy and unprofessional of him.

That being said, Chaney SOOO deserved to be fired, its not even funny. The guy may be too nice to be a head coach in this league.

As for the CZAR, I think we need to give him the rest of this season AND A TRAINING CAMP to fullly judge him.
He was not the first guy on my list either. I would prefer a younger up an domcing coach rather than a retread like TSAR BUT, he at least has a winning record in the NBA, unlike NON Chaney!

Playa, I am sure you agree, we must give him a training camp right? LOL!
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1/14/2004  3:20 PM
I won't pass judgement on any of this until it all comes out in the open.

I am looking for the updates to the story now. If anyone finds any, post the links!
Another season, and more adversity to persevere through. We will get the job done, even BETTER than last year. GO KNICKS!
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1/14/2004  3:27 PM
Listening to the NY sports media is a waste of time in the first place. Half of them are just plain dumb, and the other half have their own agendas. So whe whole WFAN thing is no suprise.
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1/14/2004  3:30 PM
I'd rather just listen to Joe Benigno on WFAN or any of those guys on 1050 ESPN...

Another season, and more adversity to persevere through. We will get the job done, even BETTER than last year. GO KNICKS!
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1/14/2004  3:49 PM
yeah all those guys actually watch the games.
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1/14/2004  4:25 PM
Francesa just said it may not be Fratello according to a source he trusts.
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1/14/2004  4:30 PM
I just heard that too, Rich...

What if all of this Czar stuff is one big SMOKESCREEN??

I would LMAO at how many Haters were exposed by this, if that were the case.

Get under your desks and cover your heads, fellas...
Brace yourselves in the fallout shelter...

The real bomb has yet to even drop yet. Mark my words.
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1/14/2004  4:35 PM
I think maybe they just want to make Chaney think he's still the coach so that he can coach tonight. If tommorrow comes and Fratello is our new coach then I'll be more than happy. If it's Pat Riley, Chuck Daly then I'll be estatic but I highly doubt that. Unless we get Doc, but I'm not sure if he's better than Fratello. Just look at Fratello record. I hope it's not a no name guy after getting my hopes up with Fratello.
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