Rautins fills a definite need. Can always use more shooters in a system that opens it up and gets guys open looks. I've never seen Fields play but he led the Pac 10 in scoring so he can't be so bad, right?

Andrew wrote:

JohnWallace44 wrote:These guys just have zero idea of what they're doing. Rautins is a great fit for the Knicks, but what's the point?

To go through ANOTHER draft without drafting a pure point... to go through ANOTHER draft without getting a shot blocker...

Rautins will maximize what he can do in our system, but once you draft him, what's the point of drafting another small forward?

Warren, Ebanks, Varnado, Stephenson, Caracter, Jordan, Alabi

You really just have to wonder what Walsh is looking at. Are they going with character as their only criteria?

Jerome Jordan....ever heard of him?

Is that official at this point?

My point is that if you have no plan, as is fully apparent, then just take the guys who were supposed to be lotto picks before the season started. Is it really that hard?

crzymdups wrote:

BasketballJones wrote:Who should they have picked?

i think they should have done everything in their power to move up in the second round and get:

1) Hassan Whiteside
2) Armon Johnson
3) Darington Hobson

at least they got Jerome Jordan, he would have been 4th on that list.

cryz--Its pretty simple--the Knics couldve bought 25-31 and we couldve walked out with

Whiteside Hobson Jordan and if they still wanted fields--1mm in cap space a small simple hedge.

crzymdups wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

BasketballJones wrote:Who should they have picked?

i think they should have done everything in their power to move up in the second round and get:

1) Hassan Whiteside
2) Armon Johnson
3) Darington Hobson

at least they got Jerome Jordan, he would have been 4th on that list.

cryz--Its pretty simple--the Knics couldve bought 25-31 and we couldve walked out with

Whiteside Hobson Jordan and if they still wanted fields--1mm in cap space a small simple hedge.

you will get no argument from me, sir. i hate feeling like i could have run a better draft than the knicks after every single draft.

crz--if we just drafted Whiteside and got no other player--I wouldve been calling up WFAN and praising Walsh today--Im sorry but 1mm in cap space isnt going to change our world.

If it was me it wouldve been Whiteside Hobson Torrance Jordan and Ill deal with the 1mm cap hit.

BRIGGS wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

BasketballJones wrote:Who should they have picked?

i think they should have done everything in their power to move up in the second round and get:

1) Hassan Whiteside
2) Armon Johnson
3) Darington Hobson

at least they got Jerome Jordan, he would have been 4th on that list.

cryz--Its pretty simple--the Knics couldve bought 25-31 and we couldve walked out with

Whiteside Hobson Jordan and if they still wanted fields--1mm in cap space a small simple hedge.

you will get no argument from me, sir. i hate feeling like i could have run a better draft than the knicks after every single draft.

crz--if we just drafted Whiteside and got no other player--I wouldve been calling up WFAN and praising Walsh today--Im sorry but 1mm in cap space isnt going to change our world.

If it was me it wouldve been Whiteside Hobson Torrance Jordan and Ill deal with the 1mm cap hit.

Briggs no offense I love your prospect reviews and what not but you've also had man crushes on Kostas Koufas, you had a post saying Stanley Robinson would be a lotto pick, etc etc. True I would've loved Whiteside too but they apparently got this Jordan guy, who, when Whiteside and him played HEAD TO HEAD in a real game Jordan got the better of him.

Whiteside and Jordan squared off 3 times LAST season:
2/3/10 @ Tulsa (Tulsa won):http://espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=300340202
Jordan had 24/12/3 in 36 minutes. Whiteside had 10 points/1 rebound/5 blocks, only played 25 min. b/c of foul trouble.

2/17/10 @ Marhsall (Marshall won): http://espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=300480276
Jordan had 13/15/2 in 38 minutes. Whiteside had 17/9/4 in 21 minutes, again plagued by foul trouble.

3/11/10 @ Tulsa (Tulsa won): http://espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=300700276
Jordan had 21/12/2 in 36 minutes. Whiteside had 14/10/6 in 35 minutes.

BigSm00th wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

BasketballJones wrote:Who should they have picked?

i think they should have done everything in their power to move up in the second round and get:

1) Hassan Whiteside
2) Armon Johnson
3) Darington Hobson

at least they got Jerome Jordan, he would have been 4th on that list.

cryz--Its pretty simple--the Knics couldve bought 25-31 and we couldve walked out with

Whiteside Hobson Jordan and if they still wanted fields--1mm in cap space a small simple hedge.

you will get no argument from me, sir. i hate feeling like i could have run a better draft than the knicks after every single draft.

crz--if we just drafted Whiteside and got no other player--I wouldve been calling up WFAN and praising Walsh today--Im sorry but 1mm in cap space isnt going to change our world.

If it was me it wouldve been Whiteside Hobson Torrance Jordan and Ill deal with the 1mm cap hit.

Briggs no offense I love your prospect reviews and what not but you've also had man crushes on Kostas Koufas, you had a post saying Stanley Robinson would be a lotto pick, etc etc. True I would've loved Whiteside too but they apparently got this Jordan guy, who, when Whiteside and him played HEAD TO HEAD in a real game Jordan got the better of him.

Whiteside and Jordan squared off 3 times LAST season:
2/3/10 @ Tulsa (Tulsa won):http://espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=300340202
Jordan had 24/12/3 in 36 minutes. Whiteside had 10 points/1 rebound/5 blocks, only played 25 min. b/c of foul trouble.

2/17/10 @ Marhsall (Marshall won): http://espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=300480276
Jordan had 13/15/2 in 38 minutes. Whiteside had 17/9/4 in 21 minutes, again plagued by foul trouble.

3/11/10 @ Tulsa (Tulsa won): http://espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=300700276
Jordan had 21/12/2 in 36 minutes. Whiteside had 14/10/6 in 35 minutes.

looks to me like Whiteside was the much better shotblocker in those games from the stats you just posted.

BigSm00th wrote:

method wrote:

TheGame wrote:All I can say about this draft is WTF. For all those still supporting Walsh, I think you are starting to see what I have been saying about this guy not really making the moves this team needs to climb from the bottom. No vision, no maximum utilization of assets, no risk taking. Everything is play it safe and hope Lebron saves us. I would have rather Dolan sell the picks than to draft these two players. We could not have package these picks and moved up to get a center prospect, which we desperately need.

Ive followed the Knicks for awhile and some of the picks I liked Wallace,Frye turned into bums while players I didnt like Lee,Gallo turned into studs.I am willing to give these players summer league to say if there busts or not and even then you wont know ex:TDoug.

Exactly. Drafting is an inexact science. I remember being at the draft the year the Knicks took Ariza and everybody was crying b/c we didn't take Romain Sato and Luis Flores. Nobody wanted David Lee, he turned out alright. Lets just wait and see how these guys turn out in Summer League and if any of them contribute in the rotation come regular season versus crapping our pants and wishing Walsh keeled over.

I just don't see it. These guys have 10th player off bench written all over them. I guess we will find out in summer league whether they have any game of not, but it seems like we could have gotten more value. A guy like Willie Warren or heck, even if we moved up a couple of spots and got Whiteside. Just seems like Walsh really did not try to maximize these picks.

TheGame wrote:

BigSm00th wrote:

method wrote:

TheGame wrote:All I can say about this draft is WTF. For all those still supporting Walsh, I think you are starting to see what I have been saying about this guy not really making the moves this team needs to climb from the bottom. No vision, no maximum utilization of assets, no risk taking. Everything is play it safe and hope Lebron saves us. I would have rather Dolan sell the picks than to draft these two players. We could not have package these picks and moved up to get a center prospect, which we desperately need.

Ive followed the Knicks for awhile and some of the picks I liked Wallace,Frye turned into bums while players I didnt like Lee,Gallo turned into studs.I am willing to give these players summer league to say if there busts or not and even then you wont know ex:TDoug.

Exactly. Drafting is an inexact science. I remember being at the draft the year the Knicks took Ariza and everybody was crying b/c we didn't take Romain Sato and Luis Flores. Nobody wanted David Lee, he turned out alright. Lets just wait and see how these guys turn out in Summer League and if any of them contribute in the rotation come regular season versus crapping our pants and wishing Walsh keeled over.

I just don't see it. These guys have 10th player off bench written all over them. I guess we will find out in summer league whether they have any game of not, but it seems like we could have gotten more value. A guy like Willie Warren or heck, even if we moved up a couple of spots and got Whiteside. Just seems like Walsh really did not try to maximize these picks.

they are practically 10th bench players if you look who will start and first of the bench noted on other topics...

D League scrubs?

fish.mike - I was trying to remember the last time an NBA franchise traded up for a number one pick but got too exhausted. I think I'll wait to see Landry Fields in Summer LEague as few people can remember actually watching him play at Stanford, or attended his draft workout

sheesh