BRIGGS wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Actually, THIS would give the bulls close to two max contracts:

The Bulls have a trade in place that would send guard Kirk Hinrich and the No. 17 pick to the Wizards, sources told ESPN.com's Ric Bucher.

The move would free up enough cap space for Chicago to sign two max-level free agents this summer.

The deal can't be consummated until July 8, when Washington will have enough room under the cap to absorb Hinrich's contract without having to send anything back in return.

Read more: http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/67425/20100624/bulls_to_send_hinrich_no_17_to_wizards/#ixzz0rnlkCh9I

damn

Jesus that gives Miami Chicago and NY two max size. Someone is going to get smoked hard.

actually, not really. chicago doesn't actually have enough cap space for two maxes. neither does miami. only new york does.

but i fail to see why washington would take on hinrich for nothing? they want a three PG rotation of Arenas, Wall and Hinrich? uhhh. not sure i buy this. this could be more smoke from World Wide Wes, who i am getting sick of...

Chi isnt getting crap. They might get Bosh, but I would be suprised. You watch. They had their day in the sun

djsunyc wrote:miami can add two FA's to wade...
chicago can add two FA's to rose + noah + deng
ny can add two FA's to ???

gallo 15ppg, 5rpg 20yrs old
chandler 15ppg, 5rpg, 22yrs old
toney douglas
bill walker

and only NY has two max slots. bulls have $30M, heat have ~$29M, knicks have $34M. a max is $16.8M. do the math, plz.

djsunyc wrote:

crzymdups wrote:actually, not really. chicago doesn't actually have enough cap space for two maxes. neither does miami. only new york does.

yes they can, any FA deal will be S&T so they can trade any one of their remaining guys to make it work. ny can only sign 2 max FIVE year FA deals but those max FA's are gonna be looking for 6 years so s&t must happen.

if the bulls don't have the space to sign the guy outright, they have zero leverage. if chicago can't sign bosh outright, what will they have to give up to get him?

knicks can sign the guys outright, therefor they have leverage in S&T scenarios.

Childs2Dudley wrote:Well it's over. I don't Blame Donnie for the blame but it's obvious this franchise is cursed and going nowhere. Seriously. Knicks fans are a dying breed. Half the fans that attend games are out-of-towners and tourists coming to see the opposition. We are a week away from the great free agent bonanza and we will be left out in the cold. We'll probably scrape some mediocre fake franchise guy like Joe Johnson and Carlos Boozer but what is that doing to do, really? Nothing.

I will give up on this team in the coming weeks. I've been holding out hope for a while but the end is near. I've been a diehard fan for the past 12 years of my life and I've reached my limit. I'm not going to prepare myself for another decade of losing. I can't handle it anymore. I know people always threaten to quit the Knicks and don't but I'm serious. The Knicks are simply not worth the time and effort anymore. I wont become a bandwagon fan of anyone. I guess I'll just watch random NBA games for my basketball fix. But as far as my Knicks passion goes? It's nearly all gone. And it's a damn shame.

it's over? good lord. your insightful posts will be missed...

Childs2Dudley wrote:Well it's over. I don't Blame Donnie for the plan and the moves he did but it's obvious this franchise is cursed and going nowhere. Seriously. Knicks fans are a dying breed. Half the fans that attend games are out-of-towners and tourists coming to see the opposition. We are a week away from the great free agent bonanza and we will be left out in the cold. We'll probably scrape some mediocre fake franchise guy like Joe Johnson and Carlos Boozer but what is that doing to do, really? Nothing.

I will give up on this team in the coming weeks. I've been holding out hope for a while but the end is near. I've been a diehard fan for the past 12 years of my life and I've reached my limit. I'm not going to prepare myself for another decade of losing. I can't handle it anymore. I know people always threaten to quit the Knicks and don't but I'm serious. The Knicks are simply not worth the time and effort anymore. I wont become a bandwagon fan of anyone. I guess I'll just watch random NBA games for my basketball fix. But as far as my Knicks passion goes? It's nearly all gone. And it's a damn shame.

You got to love the defeatist attitude.

crzymdups wrote:

djsunyc wrote:

crzymdups wrote:actually, not really. chicago doesn't actually have enough cap space for two maxes. neither does miami. only new york does.

yes they can, any FA deal will be S&T so they can trade any one of their remaining guys to make it work. ny can only sign 2 max FIVE year FA deals but those max FA's are gonna be looking for 6 years so s&t must happen.

if the bulls don't have the space to sign the guy outright, they have zero leverage. if chicago can't sign bosh outright, what will they have to give up to get him?

knicks can sign the guys outright, therefor they have leverage in S&T scenarios.

what league have you been watching? if a player wants to go to chicago, they will go to chicago. leverage is all on chicago b/c they actually have an appealing situation. if any player wants to play for the knicks, it has nothing to do with basketball and everything to do with shine. knicks can still get lebron + bosh but chicago can get them also. stop getting so defensive.

crzymdups wrote:

Childs2Dudley wrote:Well it's over. I don't Blame Donnie for the blame but it's obvious this franchise is cursed and going nowhere. Seriously. Knicks fans are a dying breed. Half the fans that attend games are out-of-towners and tourists coming to see the opposition. We are a week away from the great free agent bonanza and we will be left out in the cold. We'll probably scrape some mediocre fake franchise guy like Joe Johnson and Carlos Boozer but what is that doing to do, really? Nothing.

I will give up on this team in the coming weeks. I've been holding out hope for a while but the end is near. I've been a diehard fan for the past 12 years of my life and I've reached my limit. I'm not going to prepare myself for another decade of losing. I can't handle it anymore. I know people always threaten to quit the Knicks and don't but I'm serious. The Knicks are simply not worth the time and effort anymore. I wont become a bandwagon fan of anyone. I guess I'll just watch random NBA games for my basketball fix. But as far as my Knicks passion goes? It's nearly all gone. And it's a damn shame.

it's over? good lord. your insightful posts will be missed...

Yes, if Chicago makes that move then it's over. 2 teams with better situations would be able to offer 2 max contracts. Why would a player choose us over Chicago or Miami?

Let's be a realistic here and stop living in our dreamland. The dream was good while it lasted but reality is about to hit like a tidal wave.

djsunyc wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

djsunyc wrote:

crzymdups wrote:actually, not really. chicago doesn't actually have enough cap space for two maxes. neither does miami. only new york does.

yes they can, any FA deal will be S&T so they can trade any one of their remaining guys to make it work. ny can only sign 2 max FIVE year FA deals but those max FA's are gonna be looking for 6 years so s&t must happen.

if the bulls don't have the space to sign the guy outright, they have zero leverage. if chicago can't sign bosh outright, what will they have to give up to get him?

knicks can sign the guys outright, therefor they have leverage in S&T scenarios.

what league have you been watching? if a player wants to go to chicago, they will go to chicago. leverage is all on chicago b/c they actually have an appealing situation. if any player wants to play for the knicks, it has nothing to do with basketball and everything to do with shine. knicks can still get lebron + bosh but chicago can get them also. stop getting so defensive.

right - like how kobe and kg wanted to go to chicago. remember that?