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iSergio
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6/19/2010  5:38 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/19/2010  5:40 PM
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Vmart wrote:You guys do know that Ok4 is 6'8''-6'9'' max. He is to small you can't win with a small C like that.

Emeka Okafor is a legit 6'10". Same size as Kendrick Perkins. It's not about height anyway. It's about skill. Okafor is a very solid interior defender. Heck, Channing Frye is 7' tall. Is he more of a true Center than Okafor?

His contract is not a friendly deal. I don't want to be stuck with OK4. No thank you. Get me a legit 7' player on the cheap and keep Curry let him expire as for Collison I'll pass on him. We have Douglass who will give the same

$52M for a 27 year old 10/10/2 Center is not that bad. And who exactly are you targeting next summer when Eddy Curry expires? After we sign 2 MAX FA's this summer, we'll only have about $8M next summer to spend. And 6'10", 7'0", what the heck is the difference? You're going to turn your back a player who averages 2 bpg because he's two inches short? That's dumb. Alonzo Mourning was also 6'10".

And I like Toney Douglas too but he's not as good as Darren Collison. Not even close. Collison is 22 years old and put up 19/9 as a starter. He has Star potential, Douglas does not.

We're not getting anything better then a 27 year old double double/2 bpg Center and a 22 year old double/double PG for Curry and Wilson Chandler. Donnie Walsh should pull the trigger on this ASAP. We improve and the roster dramatically becomes more attractive to FA's this summer.

PF:
SF: Danilo Gallinari
C: Emeka Okafor
SG:
PG: Darren Collison

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6/19/2010  9:13 PM
iSergio wrote:
Vmart wrote:
iSergio wrote:
Vmart wrote:You guys do know that Ok4 is 6'8''-6'9'' max. He is to small you can't win with a small C like that.

Emeka Okafor is a legit 6'10". Same size as Kendrick Perkins. It's not about height anyway. It's about skill. Okafor is a very solid interior defender. Heck, Channing Frye is 7' tall. Is he more of a true Center than Okafor?

His contract is not a friendly deal. I don't want to be stuck with OK4. No thank you. Get me a legit 7' player on the cheap and keep Curry let him expire as for Collison I'll pass on him. We have Douglass who will give the same

$52M for a 27 year old 10/10/2 Center is not that bad. And who exactly are you targeting next summer when Eddy Curry expires? After we sign 2 MAX FA's this summer, we'll only have about $8M next summer to spend. And 6'10", 7'0", what the heck is the difference? You're going to turn your back a player who averages 2 bpg because he's two inches short? That's dumb. Alonzo Mourning was also 6'10".

And I like Toney Douglas too but he's not as good as Darren Collison. Not even close. Collison is 22 years old and put up 19/9 as a starter. He has Star potential, Douglas does not.

We're not getting anything better then a 27 year old double double/2 bpg Center and a 22 year old double/double PG for Curry and Wilson Chandler. Donnie Walsh should pull the trigger on this ASAP. We improve and the roster dramatically becomes more attractive to FA's this summer.

PF:
SF: Danilo Gallinari
C: Emeka Okafor
SG:
PG: Darren Collison

--snip---
Season Team G GS MPG FG% 3p% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
09-10 NOH 76 37 27.8 0.477 0.400 0.851 0.5 2.0 2.5 5.7 1.0 0.0 2.7 1.2 12.4
Career 76 37 27.8 0.477 0.400 0.851 0.5 2.0 2.5 5.7 1.0 0.0 2.7 1.2 12.4
--/snip--

APG 5.7/ TO 2.7 A soppin wet 160 lbs and even 6' That's less than 2/1

He might be a star one day but so might Douglas.

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6/19/2010  10:16 PM
Olbrannon wrote:
iSergio wrote:
Vmart wrote:
iSergio wrote:
Vmart wrote:You guys do know that Ok4 is 6'8''-6'9'' max. He is to small you can't win with a small C like that.

Emeka Okafor is a legit 6'10". Same size as Kendrick Perkins. It's not about height anyway. It's about skill. Okafor is a very solid interior defender. Heck, Channing Frye is 7' tall. Is he more of a true Center than Okafor?

His contract is not a friendly deal. I don't want to be stuck with OK4. No thank you. Get me a legit 7' player on the cheap and keep Curry let him expire as for Collison I'll pass on him. We have Douglass who will give the same

$52M for a 27 year old 10/10/2 Center is not that bad. And who exactly are you targeting next summer when Eddy Curry expires? After we sign 2 MAX FA's this summer, we'll only have about $8M next summer to spend. And 6'10", 7'0", what the heck is the difference? You're going to turn your back a player who averages 2 bpg because he's two inches short? That's dumb. Alonzo Mourning was also 6'10".

And I like Toney Douglas too but he's not as good as Darren Collison. Not even close. Collison is 22 years old and put up 19/9 as a starter. He has Star potential, Douglas does not.

We're not getting anything better then a 27 year old double double/2 bpg Center and a 22 year old double/double PG for Curry and Wilson Chandler. Donnie Walsh should pull the trigger on this ASAP. We improve and the roster dramatically becomes more attractive to FA's this summer.

PF:
SF: Danilo Gallinari
C: Emeka Okafor
SG:
PG: Darren Collison

--snip---
Season Team G GS MPG FG% 3p% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
09-10 NOH 76 37 27.8 0.477 0.400 0.851 0.5 2.0 2.5 5.7 1.0 0.0 2.7 1.2 12.4
Career 76 37 27.8 0.477 0.400 0.851 0.5 2.0 2.5 5.7 1.0 0.0 2.7 1.2 12.4
--/snip--

APG 5.7/ TO 2.7 A soppin wet 160 lbs and even 6' That's less than 2/1

He might be a star one day but so might Douglas.


I am not sure if Collison can be as productive as he was last year but he really stepped up his game when Paul was out. Check out his stats for that time. I beleive Paul went out in the beginning of January and came back sometime in March.
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6/20/2010  1:14 AM
Chris Bosh is 6-10.25 no shoes, 6-11.5 in shoes, 7-3.5 wingspan, 9-1 reach, 33" vert
Emeka Okafor is 6-8.75 no shoes, 6-10 in shoes, 7-4 wingspan, 9-2.5 reach, 34" vert

How high your head is isn't really the point when it comes to playing big.

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6/20/2010  11:30 AM
nixluva wrote:Chris Bosh is 6-10.25 no shoes, 6-11.5 in shoes, 7-3.5 wingspan, 9-1 reach, 33" vert
Emeka Okafor is 6-8.75 no shoes, 6-10 in shoes, 7-4 wingspan, 9-2.5 reach, 34" vert

How high your head is isn't really the point when it comes to playing big.

There is absolutely no way should the Kicks even think about Ok4. His production does not match his contract he is a god aweful player shoots 53% FT. You can tell that he has regressed from his college days. Bad contract don't want to get stuck with that type of contract. Not even for Collison who I think is as good as Douglass. Like I said Eddy curry contract is more valuable than the two players. If your into wing span than deal with the sixers and just get Brand to play center for the Knicks I hear he has a huge wingspan. I wouldn't touch a Hornets deal unless I get Paul in return or its a no deal. Hobson's choice

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6/20/2010  2:50 PM
Knixkik wrote:Looks like Donnie is trying to do something big which is a great idea because it sets things up a little before july rolls around. Seems like the most common trade possibilities are

Curry/Chandler in a deal for Parker
Curry/Chandler/Douglas for Bosh and Calderon
Curry/Chandler for OK4 and Collison
Curry for OK4

No way the Spurs trade Paker for Curry/CHandler. I also doubt the Hornets would not give up Ok4 and Collison for Curry and Chandler, when Chandler is going to need to be resigned after next season to a bigger contract. The Curry/Chandler/Douglas trade for Bosh and Calderon would be great for us, but I doubt Raptors bite unless that is all we offer and Bosh says I am going to sign with NY for 5 years unless you work out a S&T. More likely, the trade will be Lee for Bosh or Lee, Douglas, some cash, and maybe a draft pick, for Bosh and Calderon (I would not give up Chandler too).

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6/20/2010  3:38 PM
Lee will have to agree to go play in Toronto in yet another rebuilding situation for that deal to go down... personally i think he'd rather just sign on with a team where he thinks he can win with as it's unlikely he'll be benefitting from getting a 6th year tacked onto his deal this summer anyway like the top name FA's would.
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6/20/2010  5:41 PM
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Vmart wrote:
Paladin55 wrote:
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SupremeCommander wrote:I am against trading Curry for Okafor until the Knicks make two major acquisitions... I don't want to commit to that contract until the other pieces are in place. Otherwise, I'd rather wait for Curry to expire.

I agree with your assessment. Keep curry and let him expire that ending contract can yield better than OK4. People here are on the band wagon for another small C. Can't do it. He will get eaten up by bigger Centers. I don't buy this Wallace comparison or Mourning comparison. Emeka is just to small to be a C. He doesn't bring it like those two on the defensive end. Mourning was 6'9'' barefoot In shoes he was close to 6'10.5'' he was a beast on the offensive end as well as defense can't say that about OK4. If you have championship aspiration you can't get away with playing a small Center.

I think that our original discussions about Curry for OK4 always included Collison, who was seen as our PG answer. Makes some sense given that Paul's age is close to Collison's, he is signed for another 3 years, and they play the same position. Whether NO feels they are giving up to much (Collison) to get Curry's expiring, and give up OK4's contract is another thing.

Why is everyone here sold on Collison. I wouldn't touch OK4 contract not even if Collison is involved. Now if you are telling me Paul then I'm on board.

CP3 when healthy is the best PG in the league, we're not getting Paul. Collison last season in 37 starts averaged 19 pts, 9 ast on 48.5% from the field, 43% from downtown, as a rookie. A lot to like. I'd love Collison here but they can get a lot more for him than we can offer

37 Starts is not enough for the faith being bestowed on him. He may of course be very good, but do we have always have to buy high and sell low?

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6/20/2010  5:44 PM
TMS wrote:Lee will have to agree to go play in Toronto in yet another rebuilding situation for that deal to go down... personally i think he'd rather just sign on with a team where he thinks he can win with as it's unlikely he'll be benefitting from getting a 6th year tacked onto his deal this summer anyway like the top name FA's would.

I have to ask..what would D Lee bring in trade from the NYets? Is it a piece and a second round pick? Would a sign and trade before Draft Day work out for them? After draft day Lee can literally walk and the Knicks get nothing for him. Unlikely I suppose since he has to do a sign and trade to get the 6th year.

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6/20/2010  6:13 PM
Olbrannon wrote:
TMS wrote:Lee will have to agree to go play in Toronto in yet another rebuilding situation for that deal to go down... personally i think he'd rather just sign on with a team where he thinks he can win with as it's unlikely he'll be benefitting from getting a 6th year tacked onto his deal this summer anyway like the top name FA's would.

I have to ask..what would D Lee bring in trade from the NYets? Is it a piece and a second round pick? Would a sign and trade before Draft Day work out for them? After draft day Lee can literally walk and the Knicks get nothing for him. Unlikely I suppose since he has to do a sign and trade to get the 6th year.

hard to say but other than Devin Harris or a future 1st round pick, there's no one on that team i'd be interested in from a Knicks standpoint (they're not trading Lopez)... & i don't think D Lee will get a 6th year deal from any prospective teams... w/the new economy & CBA situation, i think only the top elite max guys will get that 6th year.

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6/20/2010  7:58 PM
Vmart wrote:
nixluva wrote:Chris Bosh is 6-10.25 no shoes, 6-11.5 in shoes, 7-3.5 wingspan, 9-1 reach, 33" vert
Emeka Okafor is 6-8.75 no shoes, 6-10 in shoes, 7-4 wingspan, 9-2.5 reach, 34" vert

How high your head is isn't really the point when it comes to playing big.

There is absolutely no way should the Kicks even think about Ok4. His production does not match his contract he is a god aweful player shoots 53% FT. You can tell that he has regressed from his college days. Bad contract don't want to get stuck with that type of contract. Not even for Collison who I think is as good as Douglass. Like I said Eddy curry contract is more valuable than the two players. If your into wing span than deal with the sixers and just get Brand to play center for the Knicks I hear he has a huge wingspan. I wouldn't touch a Hornets deal unless I get Paul in return or its a no deal. Hobson's choice

OK4 is not great but he's right in the middle of the good C's in the league for what we need a C to do for us. The guy only takes 8 shots a game, so his points per game isn't the best way to look at his effectiveness. He only gets 3.3 FT Attempts per game, so his FT % isn't likely to be a major issue.

 Name	          Team  GP  Min Shots 	Pct   FT%   Rebs  Asts   Blk  PPG
Dwight Howard ORL 82 34.7 10.2 61.2 59.2 13.2 1.8 2.8 18.3
Kendrick Perkins BOS 78 27.6 6.7 60.2 58.2 7.6 1.0 1.7 10.1
Emeka Okafor NO 82 28.9 8.0 53.1 56.2 9.1 0.7 1.6 10.4

Why do you think OK4 wouldn't be a solid addition to the team given our total lack of a real inside presence on D? We don't need a C that is there for scoring. We only need his Man D and Help D and to clean the boards. I'm not saying OK4 is worth the money he's getting, but in terms of helping the team along with a kid like Collison, it would be a solid move in place of Curry's contract.

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6/20/2010  8:56 PM
Knicks cannot make any trades involving Curry on draft night. If there is a "big splash" it won't be involving Curry. Won't be involving Lee either as neither one can be moved. Sucks huh?
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6/20/2010  11:03 PM
Vmart wrote:
iSergio wrote:
Vmart wrote:You guys do know that Ok4 is 6'8''-6'9'' max. He is to small you can't win with a small C like that.

Emeka Okafor is a legit 6'10". Same size as Kendrick Perkins. It's not about height anyway. It's about skill. Okafor is a very solid interior defender. Heck, Channing Frye is 7' tall. Is he more of a true Center than Okafor?

His contract is not a friendly deal. I don't want to be stuck with OK4. No thank you. Get me a legit 7' player on the cheap and keep Curry let him expire as for Collison I'll pass on him. We have Douglass who will give the same

How many 'legit' 7 ft players on the cheap are out there? Honestly, how much difference does 2 inches play? That's pretty short sighted. Kendrick Perkins is 6'10, he did pretty well for the Celts. Dwight Howard is listed at 6'11... not a legit 7 footer? I rather have a little more skill rather than a little more height. And Wingspan is far more important than height. OK4's wingspan is 7'4. I mean, I just don't know who you are thinking of that could (maybe) be had for Curry's contract that would complement the skill set brought by Plan A (Bron + Bosh).

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6/21/2010  12:02 AM
Wingspan... see, he gets it...


I don't see why S&T's couldn't happen at any point in the offseason, but if that's the case, then you'd be running out of tradeable assets on the Knicks roster.

The Knicks wouldn't do anything to take on salary with only a week to go until FA season.

It would have to be something like Wilson and TD for the picks that become Larry Sanders and Bledsoe or something along those lines.

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6/21/2010  12:11 AM
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6/21/2010  7:56 AM
Vmart wrote:You guys do know that Ok4 is 6'8''-6'9'' max. He is to small you can't win with a small C like that.
he measured 6'10 w/ shoes on and has a 7'4 wingspan.

By comparison,
Alonzo Mourning is 6'10 w/ a 7'6 wingspan.
Al Horford is 6'9.5 w/ 7'1 wingspan
Amare is 6'10 with a 7'1 wingspan

Tim Duncan measured 6'11

Cmon... OK4 isnt undersized. Lakers just won the finals with Gasol at center.

If you get OK4 for Curry it opens a ton of possibilities. You get a defensive post player who rebounds, blocks shots, scores > 50%.

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6/21/2010  8:16 AM
EwingsGlass wrote:
Vmart wrote:
iSergio wrote:
Vmart wrote:You guys do know that Ok4 is 6'8''-6'9'' max. He is to small you can't win with a small C like that.

Emeka Okafor is a legit 6'10". Same size as Kendrick Perkins. It's not about height anyway. It's about skill. Okafor is a very solid interior defender. Heck, Channing Frye is 7' tall. Is he more of a true Center than Okafor?

His contract is not a friendly deal. I don't want to be stuck with OK4. No thank you. Get me a legit 7' player on the cheap and keep Curry let him expire as for Collison I'll pass on him. We have Douglass who will give the same

How many 'legit' 7 ft players on the cheap are out there? Honestly, how much difference does 2 inches play? That's pretty short sighted. Kendrick Perkins is 6'10, he did pretty well for the Celts. Dwight Howard is listed at 6'11... not a legit 7 footer? I rather have a little more skill rather than a little more height. And Wingspan is far more important than height. OK4's wingspan is 7'4. I mean, I just don't know who you are thinking of that could (maybe) be had for Curry's contract that would complement the skill set brought by Plan A (Bron + Bosh).

We need a big time defensive center and the best option is okafor, maybe along with biendris. But okafor is a better defender and although not as athletic, probably a little better offensively. Also, he's more durable having played every game the last 3 years, and is more ready to help a team go deep into the playoffs. He's a top 5 defensive center in the league and the best player available to fill a need you can get for curry. Him only being 6-10 does not matter whatsoever. He's big and athletic, and our overall team would be bigger than most.
Okafor 6-10, Bosh 6-10, Gallo 6-10, LeBron 6-8, Douglas or Collison small. But that's 4 large players in lineup and that big, athletic team will cause some serious problems.

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6/21/2010  8:19 AM
I'm more concerned with his agility. If he can't catch tight passes in traffic then its tough to make him a big part of a pick and roll team.
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JohnWallace44 wrote:I'm more concerned with his agility. If he can't catch tight passes in traffic then its tough to make him a big part of a pick and roll team.
Are trying to be a pick and roll team?

This is a no brainer of no brainers. You trade a guy who cant play for a guy that fills what is probably our biggest need. Everyone around here for the last couple of years has been saying if we keep Lee we need to stick him next to a defensive shot blocking center.

OK4 would be perfect for plan A and plan B. If we get Lebron + Bosh which seems to be plan #1 then you need a guy like OK4 to play physical up front. Bosh is a girl and wears down after 50 games every year. If your going to make that work you must have a big physical guy who keep down the wear and tear on him. I would prefer Amare myself over Bosh but it looks like he's ending up in Miami.

If we go plan B and whiff on the big guys what do we do? Probably resign your all star in Lee and get a playmaker on the wings like Joe Johnson or Mike Miller. Well, those scenarios look a hell of a lot better with OK4 in the mix. Also lets you play Douglas at PG. Then you have a defensive PG and defensive center around yours scorers.

I would be pumped if we could get Beindris or OK4 for Curry. It would be a coup

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6/21/2010  9:54 AM
I approve of an OK4 trade on a bunch of levels. Personally I do Curry of Oak straight up if possible. I like what he brings to the table and he would fit his role. When he was drafted he was supposed to be a cornerstone.

You get Oak to play a role here that is it.

Curry and $3 mil for Oak. Get it done.

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