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Papabear
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6/14/2010  1:50 AM
sidsanders wrote:so if he is doing well, does this mean folks want him back??

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Maybe not! But give the kid his due and stop hating on him.

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6/14/2010  1:52 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/14/2010  2:01 AM
kam77 wrote:Nate hasn't grown. He has actually been trimmed. Like a Banzai tree in the hands of a master. He went from scraggly and unkempt to neat and presentable. Doc Rivers is using him for 20 seconds at the end of the first quarter and 10-12 minutes as a bridge from the 3rd to the mid 4th quarter. In that role, Nate can't do much harm at all.

How can you watch this guy on the defensive end of the floor in Boston, and then compare it to here, and say he has not grown? I find it impossible to draw that conclusion when watching him, if you're watching closely

And yea, hes not playing as many minutes. Their PG is Rajon Rondo. Not Chris Duhon. Theres only so many minutes to go around when a guy who plays your position is top 5-8 in the NBA. And Doc doesn't like going with him and Rondo on the floor at the same time
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6/14/2010  2:27 AM
Papabear wrote:
sidsanders wrote:so if he is doing well, does this mean folks want him back??

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Maybe not! But give the kid his due and stop hating on him.

i havent...

GO TEAM VENTURE!!!!!
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6/14/2010  2:32 AM
He's getting 10-15 minutes a game in Boston after sitting for much of the end of the season. If that happened in NY there would be thread after thread of how D'Antoni was mismanaging, mistreating and stealing Nate's joy. I just don't get it.
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6/14/2010  2:36 AM
Bippity10 wrote:He's getting 10-15 minutes a game in Boston after sitting for much of the end of the season. If that happened in NY there would be thread after thread of how D'Antoni was mismanaging, mistreating and stealing Nate's joy. I just don't get it.

if NY had a starting PG like Rondo playing ahead of Nate, i highly doubt that.

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6/14/2010  2:52 AM
the only ex-Knicks I've truly wanted to see fail were (1) Xavier McDaniel, (2) Pat Riley, and (3) Stephon Marbury

I'm happy Nate has succeeded in his limited role as a role player. He has talent and can play in the league. He cannot, however, be relied upon in any significant, meaningful way and, unfortunately the Knicks roster sucks/sucked so much he couldn't maximize his value to the Knicks.

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6/14/2010  2:56 AM
SupremeCommander wrote:the only ex-Knicks I've truly wanted to see fail were (1) Xavier McDaniel, (2) Pat Riley, and (3) Stephon Marbury

I'm happy Nate has succeeded in his limited role as a role player. He has talent and can play in the league. He cannot, however, be relied upon in any significant, meaningful way and, unfortunately the Knicks roster sucks/sucked so much he couldn't maximize his value to the Knicks.

curious, why xman? would you add jerome j?

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6/14/2010  7:48 AM
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Bippity10 wrote:He's getting 10-15 minutes a game in Boston after sitting for much of the end of the season. If that happened in NY there would be thread after thread of how D'Antoni was mismanaging, mistreating and stealing Nate's joy. I just don't get it.

if NY had a starting PG like Rondo playing ahead of Nate, i highly doubt that.

96 minutes in the backcourt. If Nate was so good that D'Antoni had to play him couldn't he find more then 10-15 minutes???

Personally I think next year you will see him get more minutes even with the same back court. Because the more he learns from the vets. The more he listens. The more winning rubs off, the more he will understand the things he wasn't doing in NY. And the more he understands these things the more he will do them.

Nate is doing nothing different then he did in NY. He's just doing it in less minutes. If he plays well they stick with him and let him carry them. When he starts to stray from the offense and hold the ball too long they can bench him with little negative effect on the team. They are not worried about him learning any lessons because when they put him on the bench there is no negative affect on the team. For us it was a completely different situation. When he ignored the offense we still needed him to win. That is why coaches tried to teach him lessons. Because they knew they needed him.

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6/14/2010  8:20 AM
I have long contended he would do well with an established environment. The other nite he got a tech for taunting Odem after a foul. If they lost instead he would have looked awful. The announcer sati he "was drunk with emotion". good comment.

Nobody ever said the man did not have talent. Celts have a gamble that has paid off. They have been reluctant with him.

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6/14/2010  8:51 AM
kam77 wrote:It doesn't have anything to do with the Knicks. We have a ton of players who would be great off the bench, The problem is we were depending on them to start. Put the knick self-haterade down.

Exactly, we have no star power on our roster, and essentially 11 bench players, I don't consider lee a bench player, but he's know voice in the locker either..who was nate suppose to respond to.

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6/14/2010  9:35 AM
sidsanders wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:the only ex-Knicks I've truly wanted to see fail were (1) Xavier McDaniel, (2) Pat Riley, and (3) Stephon Marbury

I'm happy Nate has succeeded in his limited role as a role player. He has talent and can play in the league. He cannot, however, be relied upon in any significant, meaningful way and, unfortunately the Knicks roster sucks/sucked so much he couldn't maximize his value to the Knicks.

curious, why xman? would you add jerome j?

Jerome James was a terrible signing and thought so at the time. I expected nothing from him and don't blame him for getting as much as he could. XMan? He gave something potentially great in NY. He was the right player for those teams an the way he left and what he left for always pissed me off

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6/14/2010  9:58 AM
Chiming in late, but really Nate has played like he always plays. Doing only an adequate job as a passer and scoring at a solid clip. The Celtics don't ask much of him and when he is with the second unit, he has the green light to shoot. No one ever questioned Nate's ability to function in a 7th/8th man role. The only thing I will say he looks to have improved on is his defense, which has gone from barely adequate to average (he still loses his man too often on screens).
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6/14/2010  10:08 AM
It's not really he's indivdule D that has step up, it's his ability to run his man into the help defense because of a better scheme. The celtics protect the paint better then any other team in the league, they swarm the paint and cut off the passing lanes.

Defense starts with the individule and ends with the team for the most part.

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6/14/2010  11:44 AM
Nate is playing really well for the celtics. He needed that environment and that is the best environment for a player like Nate. I'm still glad he is not a Knick becuase lets face it signing Nate to a long term contract would go against the cap and that would get in the way of signing starter material players. the Knicks can't risk losing out on a top tier starter for a back up.
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6/14/2010  12:12 PM
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kam77 wrote:Nate hasn't grown. He has actually been trimmed. Like a Banzai tree in the hands of a master. He went from scraggly and unkempt to neat and presentable. Doc Rivers is using him for 20 seconds at the end of the first quarter and 10-12 minutes as a bridge from the 3rd to the mid 4th quarter. In that role, Nate can't do much harm at all.

How can you watch this guy on the defensive end of the floor in Boston, and then compare it to here, and say he has not grown? I find it impossible to draw that conclusion when watching him, if you're watching closely


You watchin closely? Good, then you'll see that that team plays defense. If Nate doesn't he is riding the pine. When he was here there was no defensive accountability. No cohesive team mindset. Nate isn't playing better D. He is playing more accountable D. Team D. Individually he hasn't improved his defense. What he is doing is playing defense within their scheme. As a Knick he would occasionally get steals playing like a chicken with his head cut off. As a celtic, he is playing good team defense. Amazing what a Garnett and a Perkins will do for a team with weak perimeter defenders. Nate is still a weak one on one defender in my book.

lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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6/14/2010  12:21 PM
Papabear wrote:
Childs2Dudley wrote:
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Childs2Dudley wrote:You really wanted to tell us how well he's doing in 10 minutes per game......?

He is playing behind Rondo so I don't think he is going to get much more than that no matter how well he plays. Interesting that time on the bench coupled with respectful communication and encouragement from the coach had a positive impact on Nate.

Ugh................

We're gonna have another Nate discussion? I thought we already established that Nate is still the same exact player. Still acts like a fool and still plays out of control. His role is a aparkplug off the bench. He's not a 6th man on a championship team. It's the role he has now - 10 to 15 minutes per game off the bench. The problem is Nate and Nate Robinson fans think he's much better than that. Too bad that's far from the truth.

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People like you do not understand that Nate always played hard here in New York. Nate always had this in him. Just the wrong people Coaching him. Nate will grow wisdom about the game. And stop throwing our players under the bus. I bet you are hoping for him to fail in Boston.

Exactly!! And Pigs will fly, heck they may rack up enough frequent flyer miles to buy the Celtics. I glad he has two marginally good games, don't see any "HUGE POSITIVE IMPACT" but I am definitely biased against the mental midget. So be it.

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6/14/2010  1:13 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/14/2010  1:39 PM
Threadstarter hit the nail right on the head: Nobody ( or more accurately, some people) wants to admit it.

I'm so proud that he has been instrumental in the Celtics victories, and I hope to God he gets a chip.

See, people around here have bought management's b.s about Nate. Yeah, he obviously has lapses in judgement and immaturity flare ups and whatnot, but people who dont like him want to completely reduce him to that. Well, let me tell you, he's also a 5'9 cat that was trucking fools in football at UW and is balling in the NBA against people twice his size. That takes desire, determination, and an insane amount of heart. People want to dismiss that.

We're seeing it in the finals. My man has balls of steel and its no coincidence that Rivers is playing him during crucial fourth quarter minutes. He's not as good as Rondo or Pierce, obviously, so he takes a backseat --- but he's a winner.

D'Antoni is a punk ass --- he makes things personal with players he feels are expendable or players he feels he can get away with mistreating. He wouldnt dare pull that shyt with Lebron, Wade, or whomever, but he wants to try to flex and punk out guys like Hughes, Hill, Nate, ext. because he feels he can get away with that and look important.

Nate is making D'Antoni look like a clown, just like when he came off that suspension and dropped 37 in his first game back.

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6/14/2010  1:13 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/14/2010  1:17 PM
kam77 wrote:
KnicksSince88 wrote:
kam77 wrote:Nate hasn't grown. He has actually been trimmed. Like a Banzai tree in the hands of a master. He went from scraggly and unkempt to neat and presentable. Doc Rivers is using him for 20 seconds at the end of the first quarter and 10-12 minutes as a bridge from the 3rd to the mid 4th quarter. In that role, Nate can't do much harm at all.

How can you watch this guy on the defensive end of the floor in Boston, and then compare it to here, and say he has not grown? I find it impossible to draw that conclusion when watching him, if you're watching closely


You watchin closely? Good, then you'll see that that team plays defense. If Nate doesn't he is riding the pine. When he was here there was no defensive accountability. No cohesive team mindset. Nate isn't playing better D. He is playing more accountable D. Team D. Individually he hasn't improved his defense. What he is doing is playing defense within their scheme. As a Knick he would occasionally get steals playing like a chicken with his head cut off. As a celtic, he is playing good team defense. Amazing what a Garnett and a Perkins will do for a team with weak perimeter defenders. Nate is still a weak one on one defender in my book.

Of course the Celts play 10x better defense than we do here. But if you don't think Nate has improved significantly on that end during his time in Boston, I don't know what to tell you. Doc was flat out quoted as saying that the reason he jumped back into the rotation is because they can trust him more defensively now. So right off the bat I know Doc Rivers disagrees with you. Hes being much more aggressive fighting through screens, picking up full court. This much is obvious watching the games. Absolutely obvious
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6/14/2010  1:17 PM
Bippity10 wrote:He's getting 10-15 minutes a game in Boston after sitting for much of the end of the season. If that happened in NY there would be thread after thread of how D'Antoni was mismanaging, mistreating and stealing Nate's joy. I just don't get it.

haha. two completely different situations. Thats like having a problem with two people and one person talks it out with you, so that you can come to a mutual understanding and move forward, while the other person spits in your face, slaps you and then tries to convince you its your fault.

Nate had to earn his minutes on a championship squad, playing behind a top-5 PG and a HOF bound shooting guard. NY was a garbage squad. D'Antoni used minor infractions as an excuse to bury and humiliate Nate. Most unbiased observers realize that D'Antoni was way out of line for what he did.

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6/14/2010  1:39 PM
All comes down to the stucture of the team player-wise. There is nobody on this Knicks team who is on the court with him who can control him.

MDA is no Dr. Phil, but who knows the kind of work he put in trying to control and influence Nate's style of play.

I have coached for over 20 yrs in HS, and Nate is just like the kids I have, and if I don't have guys on my teams who can talk sense to someone like him, I am going to have trouble.

Nate will always have his moments of greatness, and will have more moments, if given the chance, of being out of control.

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