sebstar wrote:If his moves were so obnoxiously bad, from the jump, why were his trades for Marbury and Curry largely celebrated initially? Lets not play revisionist history.

lol

Lo Lieh "Oh its you ! "

Well in kungfucinema we say Marbury acquisition was briefly celebrated cause of his brooklyn ny roots
and coming back home as well as Stephon happiness to be a Knicks. Soon later we all seen as knicks
fans how selfish and destructive Marbury can be on a team, self professed conceit that he was best
PG in NBA although I'd admit all of Knicks problems in building a winner wasnt solely Marbury's fault
but Stephon ruined his relationship with his NY fans supporters and teammates.

Marbs NBA career went into toilet since he was "Me first " attitude rarely looked in mirror at himself at what he can do to improve Knicks fortunes. Anyhow he is part of bad history as Knick
He made lots of money $$$ and never got better as a player and more importantly a person.

As far as Big ole' Eddy Curry Knicks needed a Center but you dont sell your entire estate $$$ in terms
of long term trade picks to get the unproved Curry only a few yrs in the NBA. Neither Eddy or Stephon
was worthy of entire values given up in deals which we seen in 2008-2010 NBA future draftees to this date part of the horrid Curry and Marbury deals Isiah Thomas did.

If you're Isiah Thomas and going to fall in love with NBA players and fork over the store then you'd
better be sure you are trading for NBA stars or allstar type players. Even Marbury's contract and its length was absurd which also included the horrible Penny 'shot' Hardaway contract.

Knicks went into a tailspin from those major deals and minor deals Isiah Thomas did with all the power
he had to pull strings and put the knicks into the gutter. That is fact

sebstar wrote:Is there anybody reporters got a bigger hard-on for and grudge against, that Isiah? They're forever trying to discredit the man and throw dirt on him. They talk about Walsh cleaning Zeke's mess, but Isiah was trying to clean up Layden's too.

That said, how is it that there was such a large disconnect between the type of talent Zeke was able to draft, and the type of talent he traded for or signed? And how did he play for the "Bad Boys" yet he was bringing in softies like Maurice Taylor and Eddy Curry?

Good questions about his trade failures, Seb. He obviously had a pretty good eye for draft talent. But as to reporters having a grudge, I think they should. I hate the guy and think he deserves to be raped by the press. He is the very definition of professional failure and loser. Add to that a heaping load of BS, misogyny, and general ahole-ness, and you have the makings of a pariah.

sebstar wrote:Didnt I pretty much say that in my post? That he didnt allow for long term planning, or contingency plans, and that he was a bad GM?

He failed. I just dont have blind hate for him like ya'll do.

I don't see where the blind hate is. He didn't just fail, he was awful.

sebstar wrote:But its just funny because whenever anyone tries to apply even the slightest balance to Isiah's run here (like the Brussard video), his haters just freak out. If you say anything even remotely positive --- and I mean remotely positive, like he was a good drafter or anything like that, the Zeke haters rush in painting people as diehard supporters.

As for the drafting, I've said it in the past I felt his drafting wasn't great, it was passable; I would've given it something like a C, much predicated on how badly he missed with the Channing Frye pick. Then the lovers are actually the ones who rush in and freak out for not "admitting" that it's an A. I just don't see how you can claim such a view when you're doing the same thing that you're complaining about.

Solace wrote:
As for the drafting, I've said it in the past I felt his drafting wasn't great, it was passable; I would've given it something like a C, much predicated on how badly he missed with the Channing Frye pick. Then the lovers are actually the ones who rush in and freak out for not "admitting" that it's an A. I just don't see how you can claim such a view when you're doing the same thing that you're complaining about.

See there you go with this lover shyt. He did miss with Frye. That said, Frye is a productive player on a good team, so he didnt miss that bad. Frye is not a bust at all. It was an okay pick.

But if you think that a guy that drafted players like Lee, Nate, Chandler, and Ariza with low picks deserves a C, then that speaks to you. Zeke's only bad miss was Rondo in '06.

DJMUSIC wrote:Seb
Damn you start a 'argument' about whatever comes to your mind, huh?

This is what you told me in another simple post.

i was expecting a classic shaw bros kungfu ref...

DJMUSIC wrote:Seb
Damn you start a 'argument' about whatever comes to your mind, huh?

This is what you told me in another simple post.

Okay, now, family this is the second time you've repeated that shyt and the first time I let it pass. I'm praying you're a 13 year old broad with Justin Beiber pictures all over your room, because there aint no way in hell a grown man is supposed to be this emotional.

Real talk, when I said that line initially, I was just trying to help you out. You're flooding the board with these long ass, title threads about retarded shyt like: HEY GUYS! I dont like Paul Pierce! HEY GUYS! We shouldnt get Lebron James, lets focus on two draft picks! HEY GUYS, Wade doesnt have the guts to sign here! This is all followed by barely comprehensible posts that either get laughed at or ignored.

Get over it, AND STOP following me around like a lonely fat bytch in the club. Get your mind right and keep it moving. It was constructive criticism.

sebstar wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

DJMUSIC wrote:Seb
Damn you start a 'argument' about whatever comes to your mind, huh?

This is what you told me in another simple post.

seb's gonna unleash the fire on you now. you know that right?

lol. Ur crazy.

i was right tho lol.

Nalod wrote:Seb, why you keep bringing up Layden?