fishmike wrote:I personally root for Knicks to do nothing during the offseason and come in with no improvement in their games what so ever. I'm with sergio and TMS on this one a 100%

Don't put words in my mouth. I never suggested any player should do nothing in the summer. But if you're the worst at something and pretty good at another thing, you work on your weakness. David Lee is already a good enough offensive player. He's the worst defender in the entire league. And watching these Playoffs and how bigs play defense further proves that point. Lee should be contacting players like Charles Oakley or Larry Johnson or look into some coaches who can help him. He should not be taking 500 threes. That's just retarded and it makes no sense.

fishmike wrote:Lee has been very outspoken about improving defensively. If you havent heard him say that you have chosen not to listen. Simple fact is Lee was NOT a good offensive player and did not have any legit offensive skills to build on when he came into the league. He was a garbage hustle guy who your happy to get at pick 30. Since then he's improved his passing, shooting, handle and post moves to the point where he became an all star. Thats everything you hope for in a guy you draft. Thats a self made guy, and he did it though some of the worst management and coaching and sports history.

But who cares about signing your own guy when you can over pay for someone else's star who leads his team to 35 wins a year?

If Lebron wants to come to NY great. The self importance these guys possess is mind boggling

This valuing your own player makes no sense to me. Give me the better player with better potential in Chris Bosh every day. So David Lee was a nice player on some of the worst Knicks team in team history. Who cares? Nobody will care or remember Lee years from now when we're winning. It's not like Lee is Patrick Ewing or Allan Houston and will get his jersey retired. Some of you treat Lee like he's some type of Knicks legend. He's an alright player, that's it.

iSergio wrote:

fishmike wrote:I personally root for Knicks to do nothing during the offseason and come in with no improvement in their games what so ever. I'm with sergio and TMS on this one a 100%

Don't put words in my mouth. I never suggested any player should do nothing in the summer. But if you're the worst at something and pretty good at another thing, you work on your weakness. David Lee is already a good enough offensive player. He's the worst defender in the entire league. And watching these Playoffs and how bigs play defense further proves that point. Lee should be contacting players like Charles Oakley or Larry Johnson or look into some coaches who can help him. He should not be taking 500 threes. That's just retarded and it makes no sense.

CHARLES OAKLY, dude just because a player was good at something does not make him a good teacher by any stretch..there's a reason why oak can't get job in the NBA in any capacity.

fishmike wrote:Lee has been very outspoken about improving defensively. If you havent heard him say that you have chosen not to listen. Simple fact is Lee was NOT a good offensive player and did not have any legit offensive skills to build on when he came into the league. He was a garbage hustle guy who your happy to get at pick 30. Since then he's improved his passing, shooting, handle and post moves to the point where he became an all star. Thats everything you hope for in a guy you draft. Thats a self made guy, and he did it though some of the worst management and coaching and sports history.

But who cares about signing your own guy when you can over pay for someone else's star who leads his team to 35 wins a year?

If Lebron wants to come to NY great. The self importance these guys possess is mind boggling

^ditto to the N'th power

EwingsGlass wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

iSergio wrote:Ridiculous. I REALLY hope David Lee is off the team next year. You're the worst defender in the entire league and you're out there practicing taking threes. LOL Unbelieavable.

so, because a person is a poor defender, they should stop developing other parts of their game. That makes no sense. Like saying, just cause your a poor reader, you shouldn't be learning math

I guess a headline of "David Lee is learning how to play man-defense" wouldn't be as interesting. I would like to see a headline that Lee is working with Oakley on how to be tough in the paint.

LOL. Yeah, he needs to be doing 500 lateral quickness exercises and 500 shot-blocking exercises a day. If he does that, then we should resign him.

djsunyc wrote:

iSergio wrote:Ridiculous. I REALLY hope David Lee is off the team next year. You're the worst defender in the entire league and you're out there practicing taking threes. LOL Unbelieavable.

it could be a directive from his coach.

More likely his agent. Saying that could help his value,
Also, if you're in a gym late and you're the only one there, how you gonna practice defense?

iSergio wrote:

fishmike wrote:Lee has been very outspoken about improving defensively. If you havent heard him say that you have chosen not to listen. Simple fact is Lee was NOT a good offensive player and did not have any legit offensive skills to build on when he came into the league. He was a garbage hustle guy who your happy to get at pick 30. Since then he's improved his passing, shooting, handle and post moves to the point where he became an all star. Thats everything you hope for in a guy you draft. Thats a self made guy, and he did it though some of the worst management and coaching and sports history.

But who cares about signing your own guy when you can over pay for someone else's star who leads his team to 35 wins a year?

If Lebron wants to come to NY great. The self importance these guys possess is mind boggling

This valuing your own player makes no sense to me. Give me the better player with better potential in Chris Bosh every day. So David Lee was a nice player on some of the worst Knicks team in team history. Who cares? Nobody will care or remember Lee years from now when we're winning. It's not like Lee is Patrick Ewing or Allan Houston and will get his jersey retired. Some of you treat Lee like he's some type of Knicks legend. He's an alright player, that's it.

You think Allan Houston's jersey will be retired? I really doubt that. Talk about lame defense... I love his smooth stroke behind the arc and his ability to get his own shots. But please don't lump him together with Ewing. That's sort of ridiculous.

fishmike wrote:

TheGame wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

iSergio wrote:Ridiculous. I REALLY hope David Lee is off the team next year. You're the worst defender in the entire league and you're out there practicing taking threes. LOL Unbelieavable.

so, because a person is a poor defender, they should stop developing other parts of their game. That makes no sense. Like saying, just cause your a poor reader, you shouldn't be learning math

I guess a headline of "David Lee is learning how to play man-defense" wouldn't be as interesting. I would like to see a headline that Lee is working with Oakley on how to be tough in the paint.

LOL. Yeah, he needs to be doing 500 lateral quickness exercises and 500 shot-blocking exercises a day. If he does that, then we should resign him.

we had a tough guy in the paint. I remember when we had Antonio Davis here all people did was bitch and moan about how lousy and offensive player he was. I love Knick fans.

YUPyup. Knick constantly devaluing their own players while overrating others

DurzoBlint wrote:

fishmike wrote:

TheGame wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

iSergio wrote:Ridiculous. I REALLY hope David Lee is off the team next year. You're the worst defender in the entire league and you're out there practicing taking threes. LOL Unbelieavable.

so, because a person is a poor defender, they should stop developing other parts of their game. That makes no sense. Like saying, just cause your a poor reader, you shouldn't be learning math

I guess a headline of "David Lee is learning how to play man-defense" wouldn't be as interesting. I would like to see a headline that Lee is working with Oakley on how to be tough in the paint.

LOL. Yeah, he needs to be doing 500 lateral quickness exercises and 500 shot-blocking exercises a day. If he does that, then we should resign him.

we had a tough guy in the paint. I remember when we had Antonio Davis here all people did was bitch and moan about how lousy and offensive player he was. I love Knick fans.

YUPyup. Knick constantly devaluing their own players while overrating others

I don't devalue Lee. I think he is a solid player. But the fact is, we cannot pay him $11 mil per season and also sign a center and Lebron. Plus, I don't want to pay $11-12 mil for a guy that does not play defense. Bosh is not much better, but at least Bosh (being about 2 inches taller and about 10-15 lbs heavier) can play the center position, which clearly Lee cannot do. So if you overpay, overpay for a center and roll the dice that Gallo can turn into a PF.

all three of them need the same thing: a shotblocking big to play next to and a playmaking wing to get them the ball. look at what that did for gasol on the lakers. bynum played defense and kobe created space for him.

lee's main limitation on defense is that he's small. he's not a 6'11" guy and never will be. his arms aren't long enough to block shots left and right. within those limitations he's a great player.

that said, i'd still take bosh over him.