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In DEFENSE of my man D'Antoni
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nixluva
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6/4/2010  3:37 AM
DJMUSIC wrote:
Childs2Dudley wrote:Don't call him your man. You lose a bit cred considering Isiah Thomas was also "your man".

Good one!
agree
LOL

1st of all it was a joke! True I like MDA and did before Isiah came here as GM. I don't really see much reason to compare the situation except to use the failure of Isiah to somehow suggest that MDA will also be a failure. You're attempt at connecting the two points is invalid. Let's keep this about the topic and get off the usual "Nixluva is always wrong" line everyone tries to use. !st of all that's not even close to true, since I speak on many things that have been dead on, but since i've been supportive of the team and management it only seems like I never have a valid point.

1. MDA won big in the West against the stiff comp out there and his D was at worst middle of the pack or better.

2. Even in PHX his teams weren't stocked with great size or gifted defenders.

3. The teams he had here were built to lose and be torn down and not to win. Don't give me examples like darko or Hill and try to make it seem like that was the missing key to lots of wins. NO! The team needed to be broke down and rebuilt.

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6/4/2010  4:12 AM
nixluva wrote:
DJMUSIC wrote:
Childs2Dudley wrote:Don't call him your man. You lose a bit cred considering Isiah Thomas was also "your man".

Good one!
agree
LOL

1st of all it was a joke! True I like MDA and did before Isiah came here as GM. I don't really see much reason to compare the situation except to use the failure of Isiah to somehow suggest that MDA will also be a failure. You're attempt at connecting the two points is invalid. Let's keep this about the topic and get off the usual "Nixluva is always wrong" line everyone tries to use. !st of all that's not even close to true, since I speak on many things that have been dead on, but since i've been supportive of the team and management it only seems like I never have a valid point.

1. MDA won big in the West against the stiff comp out there and his D was at worst middle of the pack or better.

2. Even in PHX his teams weren't stocked with great size or gifted defenders.

3. The teams he had here were built to lose and be torn down and not to win. Don't give me examples like darko or Hill and try to make it seem like that was the missing key to lots of wins. NO! The team needed to be broke down and rebuilt.

Not making fun of you but you're telling me that you like what MDA did in the Italian league or what he did in Denver that one year because MDA got the Suns job and Isiah got the Knicks GM job at nearly the same time. I think both in December 2003. Interesting if accurate. Carry on though.

I don't like to play bad rookies , I like to play good rookies - Mike D'Antoni
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6/4/2010  12:09 PM
^i think he was saying he liked zeke before he was gm, not mda before zeke was gm
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6/4/2010  4:04 PM
nixluva wrote:
DJMUSIC wrote:
Childs2Dudley wrote:Don't call him your man. You lose a bit cred considering Isiah Thomas was also "your man".

Good one!
agree
LOL

1st of all it was a joke! True I like MDA and did before Isiah came here as GM. I don't really see much reason to compare the situation except to use the failure of Isiah to somehow suggest that MDA will also be a failure. You're attempt at connecting the two points is invalid. Let's keep this about the topic and get off the usual "Nixluva is always wrong" line everyone tries to use. !st of all that's not even close to true, since I speak on many things that have been dead on, but since i've been supportive of the team and management it only seems like I never have a valid point.

1. MDA won big in the West against the stiff comp out there and his D was at worst middle of the pack or better.

2. Even in PHX his teams weren't stocked with great size or gifted defenders.

3. The teams he had here were built to lose and be torn down and not to win. Don't give me examples like darko or Hill and try to make it seem like that was the missing key to lots of wins. NO! The team needed to be broke down and rebuilt.

This post & Suns/MDA is getting more and more hilarious
<< MDA won big in the West against the stiff comp
>>

Really ?
what has MDA won ?
The regular season is a dance in nba 'pretender' heaven

What did he win in the nba playoffs? rnd1?

At least Barkley's/Thunder Dan's SUNs won in playoffs & west title then went to NBA finals.

Do not think they remember what you won what yr in NBA when you DONT win a NBA conf. title OR
NBA championship.
write it brother!

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6/7/2010  9:47 PM

Boozer: Also Mike D'Antoni was great, just being around him for those few months, you can tell that he has incredible sense of offense, he's an offensive genius when it comes to the game of basketball, and you can tell by the way his team's played in Phoenix, the way he's trying to play with the team in NY. And uh I'll tell you what it was a great experience to play underneath him.

how many times have you heard this

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6/7/2010  11:36 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
Boozer: Also Mike D'Antoni was great, just being around him for those few months, you can tell that he has incredible sense of offense, he's an offensive genius when it comes to the game of basketball, and you can tell by the way his team's played in Phoenix, the way he's trying to play with the team in NY. And uh I'll tell you what it was a great experience to play underneath him.

how many times have you heard this


This is what I remember from this past season. I think it is a pretty good chronicle of a coach who only had to maintain status quo and develop the rookies a little for the future and how much he struggled at his role.

Ball Don't Lie Mon Mar 22, 2010 3:10 pm EDT

Mike D'Antoni's excuse-making days are over
By Kelly Dwyer

This has to be Mike D'Antoni's low point. This has to be as bad as it gets. Has to be. Otherwise, he's got some ‘splainin' to do.

He's tried before, mind you. With the "‘splainin'." D'Antoni has never been shy about going on record regarding why, exactly, he's not playing this guy, didn't play this guy, won't play this guy or any potential combination of the myriad things the Knicks coach can or did do to his various guys. He's been vague, he's been wrong, he's been petty, he's been right, he's been churlish and he's been charming in his explanations.

But this has to be the end of it. A month left in the season, the Knicks falling short of the playoffs, the last year of the Great Do-Over, and with Jordan Hill(notes) now having passed through town - this has to be it. OK, April 6 might have to be the end of it. That's the day Nate Robinson(notes) and the Celtics pass through New York. But that has to be the end of it. It has to be D'Antoni's low point. The last chance anyone has to question him.

We're allowed to question him today because D'Antoni pulled off that right/wrong/jerk-ish/petty thing yesterday while discussing the limited playing time he gave Jordan Hill in the rookie forward's first four months with the Knicks. D'Antoni made a point to clarify something that has obviously been getting to him, the idea that he doesn't play rookies, and needlessly decided to qualify that on record with "I don't play bad rookies." Classy. Not wrong, but not right, either.

Hill, who was traded to Houston last month as a throw-in needed to convince the Rockets to take the last year of Jared Jeffries'(notes) contract, was a pretty bad rookie under D'Antoni. He took bad shots, didn't rebound or board much to make up for that, was a terrible defender and clearly didn't know where he was supposed to be on the court on both sides of the ball. He was a bad rookie.

But why do this, D'Antoni? What's the point? Allowing yourself to feel better about the way you handled a player who might be a seven-man rotation guy for the next 10 years ... at best? How do these clarifications help in any way?

Clearly struck with what he was saying, D'Antoni went on to point out that Hill was caught in a rotation crunch with Jeffries, Al Harrington(notes), Danilo Gallinari(notes), David Lee(notes) and even "[Darko] Milicic for a while." Sure. Now it's a numbers thing. You weren't wrong in calling Jordan Hill a bad rookie, Mike, now you're looking worse for trying to qualify the qualification. To clarify what was pretty clear from the get-go, in about 10 1/2 minutes per game.

For every person you've sat, Mike (if you don't mind the shift to the second person), it's been pretty clear. Stephon Marbury(notes) was a team-killing exercise in $15 sneakers. Eddy Curry(notes) hurts you on both ends, in any shape. Nate Robinson's a kid, even at 25 years old. We get it. What we don't get is your way of making everything right and the way you go from one extreme (Nate Rob can't be seen, Nate Rob's winnin' the game; Steph is sent away, Steph is asked to start) to the other.

And this has to be the end of what we don't get.

Because you left Phoenix with a whiff that didn't quite suit you. You weren't happy with what Steve Kerr did to your team and you couldn't wait to get out of there after the 2007-08 season. And despite being given teams that were designed to lose, designed to bide time until 2010, with all the (rightful) excuses for 29-53 that could possibly be fostered, you still ran out of excuses. Early. You still could have run it better.

You've got a few weeks left of this. Thirteen games. Then you're going to be asked to do what you nearly did with the Suns. You're going to be given what will be a team with a championship payroll. Even if it's just overpaying Joe Johnson(notes) and extending David Lee, plus a few parts, a few runners, a few finishers, doesn't matter. Your time starts in 2010-11, and this nonsense? This junk that Knick fans have had to put up with over the last few years? And the clarifications that followed? They have to go.

Because people are doubting you. They're doubting the way you coach, they're doubting the way you handle players of any type (to say nothing of the good or bad versions of those types), and with Steve Nash(notes) out pushing a team full of 90-year-olds and Robin Lopez(notes) on a 52-win pace in a West that's harder than ever, they're wondering what it is, exactly, that you do.


And that's always going to be the case in the NBA. Because, for reasons that are clearly wrong in many, many ways, people assume that a team that works well offensively but falls short defensively must be working that way due to a lack of effort from both the coaching staff and the players involved.

Scott Skiles can be thought of as a taskmaster for tossing out a team that's third in defense and 23rd in offense, but when you rolled out a squad that was first in offense and 16th (2005), 13th (2006), 16th (2007) and 18th (2008) in defense, you were Mr. Laissez-Faire. And you weren't. That was wrong.

And Jordan Hill was a bad rookie. And Stephon Marbury's a bad teammate. And Nate Robinson's a bad influence. And Eddy Curry's a bad player. Darko Milicic(notes) has a bad mustache, milk was a bad choice. You're not wrong in any of these things.

But the way you've handled these things? It leaves room for doubt. And the vacation, as hellish and as Chris Duhon(notes)-driven as it's been, ends in a month. Then the expectations hit. Mixed with those swirling doubts? We could have a problem.

OK, it's New York. There's always going to be a problem, especially with all those back pages to fill up.

But this line of doubt? It has to become part of your back story. Starting, well, right about now.

I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
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6/7/2010  11:43 PM
Look Crush, you're judging a guy handling scrubs vs. how he will handle superstar players. I highly doubt it will be the same with those guys. He'll probably kiss their ass. He's not going to get in the way of a superstar. He's not that type of guy.

But will he discipline others or whatever? Sure. Maybe it will be for the right reason or maybe just because he wants to. He only keeps 9 men in a rotation, right? There are bound to be some unhappy players either way.

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6/8/2010  12:17 AM
Those same players that Mike is always getting heat for,I would like to see how many people/fans would want them on next years roster.

No one cares about hughs, nate ( yeah if you can get him for 800k), curry you would trade for a bag of bottle tops, Jeffries, please don't make me cringe, Darko, do us all a favor and head back over seas, Steph, attention craving loser (with skills), Hill, the NBA doesn't require a practice squad.

How many people think MDA would have bench Derrick Rose, or OJ Mayo ext..Notice how Nates benching made headlines and back pages in Ny and around the NBA when he was in Ny, But bearly even mention in BOSTON when he got the same treament.

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6/8/2010  7:21 AM
Childs2Dudley wrote:Look Crush, you're judging a guy handling scrubs vs. how he will handle superstar players. I highly doubt it will be the same with those guys. He'll probably kiss their ass. He's not going to get in the way of a superstar. He's not that type of guy.

But will he discipline others or whatever? Sure. Maybe it will be for the right reason or maybe just because he wants to. He only keeps 9 men in a rotation, right? There are bound to be some unhappy players either way.


My concern is that how he handles players will impact the signings this summer. His history of struggling with handling players that needs a little more isn't new. In Phoenix one of his players talked about how he hated confrontations. He avoided them this year banishing guys without an explanation. I have heard the argument that he didn't owe those guys an explanation but if he gave them one maybe the drama would have stayed in house.
I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
In DEFENSE of my man D'Antoni

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