nixluva wrote:Nate is fine off the bench as a spark plug, but he's not a player to build with and so we moved him. It really was sad to see him go, mainly cuz we had hopes he would develope here. I just think it was clear he was never gonna be what we needed. I look forward to having great players that are MEN and act Professionally on and off the court. I want to win. Nate is more tolerable when your team has All Stars up n down the roster. We didn't and thus had to rely on him to be part of the solution and he couldn't do it. Don't lay this on MDA. Every coach including Doc had the same issue with Nate so...

Word. Couldn't put it any better.

Allanfan20 wrote:

Nalod wrote:Papabear don't say:

where was nate during his DNP's and minutes the first 5 games?

Cleveland series?

Anyone see his halftime interview?, he said God talked to him.

God took time out from all those in need, a planet poisened by an oil spill, Suffering from earthquakes, famine, flooding and disease to talk to nate. The man is special.

Special Nate.

Keep your religious or non religious beliefs off the board if you're gonna talk like this. That's actually insulting.

Are we "allanfaned" last nite and a bit touchy this morning?

Your really insulted by the generic term "god" and that maybe Im offended this guy is throwing around "god" as the reason for his good play? No where do I insult any particular religion do I?

HOw about he says years of practice and hard work? How about staying ready and when the call comes that he is prepared to rise up to the moment?

How about the vanity of one thinking they have a personal realationship with the all mighty?

And regarding him be "special" or anything, lets not get too uppity. I do think Nate is "touched" and "special". Thats my opinion. He is a good dude and very personable. I like nate and wish him well in his future. I always thought he could help a team that had leadership built in.

AllenFan?

Pharzeone wrote:Nalod, you don't feel that you have a personal relationship with God? Not to get too religious on a BB forum but Nate is a Pentecostal like myself. And that is one of the key parts of my belief.

i def don't want to get too deep. and i certainly don't want to question one's beliefs because i feel that matters of faith are personal and intimate. so please don't take my question as disrespectful.

i just want to know this: if nate robinson and dwight howard both have faith in god, but nate has a good game and dwight has a bad game, does that mean that god cares less about howard? or is it simply a matter of god working in mysterious ways? to get more serious, if two cancer stricken children both have faith in god and one recovers, but the other dies, then what? more of god's will?

i won't question your answers. not looking to debate. i'm just interested. much respect pharz.

Pharzeone wrote:Nalod, you don't feel that you have a personal relationship with God? Not to get too religious on a BB forum but Nate is a Pentecostal like myself. And that is one of the key parts of my belief.

No.

But I do respect your belief. No offense to anyone please.

Pharzeone wrote:I thought it was an odd comment as well. I'm of the belief that my God is omnipotent. Meaning he still able to deal with other problems while listening to my meager prays.

The only "voice" speaking to Nate is his ego.

CrushAlot wrote:

Cosmic wrote:Nate is an out of control punk and nothing more. Sometimes the shots fall. When they don't he's a useless mess that is a detriment to the team. 4-10FG isn't life saving anyways. That's just Crawful.

Jeez...what is it with falling in love with bum ass players who happen to show flash once every 10 games? I don't get it.

You sound like such a blue hair with your evaluations of players. Look at the most significant guys in the finals that are winning. They are in their thirties except for Rondo. If you are expecting guys to be totally evolved as players when they are 25 or in their rookie year you are almost always going to be disappointed. Those guys need coaching, guidance, leadership, structure, clear communicated expectations. I don't think D'Antoni is providing that.

Blue Hair?

AS in Old WHITE lady?

No.

Nate is an out of control punk assed freak of a person. That doesn't help a PROFESSIONAL basketball team win a damn thing.

D'Antoni? The guy who was on board with the TWO YEAR TEARDOWN OF ISIAH'S TRASH? (aka the white man doing brotha's wrong). And then on board with another 2+ years of re-building a contending team from scratch ?

That Mike D'Antoni?

The guy who was here for the long haul to coach the team we were to start building starting July, 2010?

Not the guy that some felt should coach Isiah's trash to the playoffs? Those fools that some felt were such talented players when they were just slefish And-1 pieces of SHIT?

That?

Do you have a CLUE as to what is going on here? Or do you just have an agenda? Win or Lose you got an agenda.... Quite plain to see.

Paladin55 wrote:

Pharzeone wrote:I thought it was an odd comment as well. I'm of the belief that my God is omnipotent. Meaning he still able to deal with other problems while listening to my meager prays.

The only "voice" speaking to Nate is his ego.

No offense but you sound ignorant. I respect your views but to question someone else faith shows ignorance and lack of grace.

Cosmic wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Cosmic wrote:Nate is an out of control punk and nothing more. Sometimes the shots fall. When they don't he's a useless mess that is a detriment to the team. 4-10FG isn't life saving anyways. That's just Crawful.

Jeez...what is it with falling in love with bum ass players who happen to show flash once every 10 games? I don't get it.

You sound like such a blue hair with your evaluations of players. Look at the most significant guys in the finals that are winning. They are in their thirties except for Rondo. If you are expecting guys to be totally evolved as players when they are 25 or in their rookie year you are almost always going to be disappointed. Those guys need coaching, guidance, leadership, structure, clear communicated expectations. I don't think D'Antoni is providing that.

Blue Hair?

AS in Old WHITE lady?

No.

Nate is an out of control punk assed freak of a person. That doesn't help a PROFESSIONAL basketball team win a damn thing.

D'Antoni? The guy who was on board with the TWO YEAR TEARDOWN OF ISIAH'S TRASH? (aka the white man doing brotha's wrong). And then on board with another 2+ years of re-building a contending team from scratch ?

That Mike D'Antoni?

The guy who was here for the long haul to coach the team we were to start building starting July, 2010?

Not the guy that some felt should coach Isiah's trash to the playoffs? Those fools that some felt were such talented players when they were just slefish And-1 pieces of SHIT?

That?

Do you have a CLUE as to what is going on here? Or do you just have an agenda? Win or Lose you got an agenda.... Quite plain to see.

D'Antoni isn't a martyr or a good soldier. He is a rigid guy with a huge ego who won't change or work to make his situation better. He doesn't want to coach, teach, hold practice or game plan. The expectation is that his players will adapt to him, play his system and display a high level of professionalism without these expectations being communicated. The rotation this year appeared to be based on the guys who demonstrated a combination of compliance and a veteran approach to the game. How else can you justify marginal vets with no upside like Duhon, Jeffries, and Bender getting significant minutes over first round draft picks on a team that won 29 games?
Brash bravado and statements like this, Nate is an out of control punk assed freak of a person indicate an agenda to me. When you start trashing guys in the beginning of their career who are talented and need coaching everytime a pattern of behavior or weakness of the coach is pointed out I think an agenda is in place. Back it up.