martin wrote:do the rest of you ever get the feel that DJMUSIC formats his posts with extra return characters so that they look like poems?

I couldnt even do poems if ya paid me!

nixluva wrote:Red Auerbach was a builder of teams too! So I give him more credit.

MDA doesn't have to be the the greatest coach for all situations. He's a system guy and not a traditional coach but you can win a ton with a system too, you just need a GM that will work to give him what he needs. Phil is winding down. It's not worth investing in the guy if his heart isn't in it.

ya. red was the gm/coach/trainer back in the day. he got the guys he wanted and it worked.

Nalod wrote:
Dude has 10 rings. You don't win without Great players.

Red Aurbach was over rated too? Dude had HOF players like they they were skittles.

Riles is over rated. Yep, team was already championship caliber.

Larry Brown is over rated by most. Doc Rivers has 3 hof's. He must be over reated.

Look at all the teams that have won and you mostly find the best players.

So I guess having a great coach really does not matter? Its the coaches fault when they don't win but the players influence when they do?

YOu guys are very funny somtimes.

10 rings makes him the top dog. No one better. No coach won as much. Dude also wins with Reezy, with Luke Walton and Rick Fox! Dude wins with retreads, out casts, role players along side thos great players. Dude was a key component to make Jordan epic. JOrdan win before or after Jax? Jordan have an system he trusted before? Was pippin that great or great with the system? HOw many coaches have the balls to make him a "point forward"? How many coaches draw up championship winning plays that have scubs winning the game and not Jordan/Pippin? How many can take a team with Will Purdue or Bill Wennington as your center?

Or was it the Charles Oakley for Cartwright trade that did it?

I agree. This is just bitterness, because people here don't like his personality. Whether he'd be a good fit here is a separate question, but saying you wouldn't want Phil Jackson because he's overrated is looney tunes. Phil has had great players, but I'd be hard pressed to believe that those teams win ten championships if someone like Don Chaney is coach; Maybe three or four. It could even be less. Kobe was a pretty selfish player early in his career and I believe Phil had something to do with helping to turn that around.

nixluva wrote:Phil is a top coach in history but how can anyone ignore that he's had MJ, Kobe, Shaq, Pippen, Gasol etc. His teams were loaded! Now he's been up to the task but what coach wouldn't want to go to war with the players he's had? I'd love to see D'Antoni get a chance with a team like that. There's no need to knock a great coach for winning with great players but when a coach has the best and wins you can't ignore the advantage he has.

I agree that there's no need to knock the coach for winning with great players. Also, while nobody is ignoring the advantage, let's put it in perspective. How many teams in NBA history have won without a top 5 player and a top supporting player? In the NBA, there are very few instances where teams won when they didn't have this. However, teams that have had these sorts of formulas have lost before, right? I just think it's unfair to discount him heavily when he won 10 times. If he had two rings with the teams that he had, okay, you can claim overrated. But, ten, we're bordering on the absurd.