sebstar wrote:

loweyecue wrote:It is sad to see moral and cultural values taking a beating everyday. Simple decency is a thing of the past, and rabid hatemongering is in. The Bush administration served a s blueprint to take this country back to the dark ages especially important were the supreme court nominations. All the progress made before that has been or will be surrendered. We are peaking in terms of social dysfunction and overall degeneration and this will continue as we move closer to electing the first ever redneck sex symbol to the office of POTUS.

well said. We're all supposed to be humans at the end of the day, but that seems to be lost on a certain segment of the populous.

It's really another topic for another thread, however, if you know anything about Obamas education policy, you'd see it's basically the same exact one as Bush's, which is bad. His support of the No Child Left Behind act is an example. Instead of trying to support minority schools that are already underfunded, he wants to shut them down and replace them with Charter schools, which doesn't help the minority community at all. Like I said though, it's a big topic, so it deserves it's own thread, which I definitely have started once or twice before in the past couple of months.

With that said, I have no clue who Chris Myers is, but I'm assuming he's lost his job for making a messed up comment like that, as he should. Yeah, their lives are being ruined and so they sit on their roof tops to make political statements. Good one. Idiot.

Allanfan20 wrote:

sebstar wrote:

loweyecue wrote:It is sad to see moral and cultural values taking a beating everyday. Simple decency is a thing of the past, and rabid hatemongering is in. The Bush administration served a s blueprint to take this country back to the dark ages especially important were the supreme court nominations. All the progress made before that has been or will be surrendered. We are peaking in terms of social dysfunction and overall degeneration and this will continue as we move closer to electing the first ever redneck sex symbol to the office of POTUS.

well said. We're all supposed to be humans at the end of the day, but that seems to be lost on a certain segment of the populous.

It's really another topic for another thread, however, if you know anything about Obamas education policy, you'd see it's basically the same exact one as Bush's, which is bad. His support of the No Child Left Behind act is an example. Instead of trying to support minority schools that are already underfunded, he wants to shut them down and replace them with Charter schools, which doesn't help the minority community at all. Like I said though, it's a big topic, so it deserves it's own thread, which I definitely have started once or twice before in the past couple of months.

With that said, I have no clue who Chris Myers is, but I'm assuming he's lost his job for making a messed up comment like that, as he should. Yeah, their lives are being ruined and so they sit on their roof tops to make political statements. Good one. Idiot.

naw, he didnt get fired. Its fox. Prolly got a raise.

sebstar wrote:

loweyecue wrote:It is sad to see moral and cultural values taking a beating everyday. Simple decency is a thing of the past, and rabid hatemongering is in. The Bush administration served a s blueprint to take this country back to the dark ages especially important were the supreme court nominations. All the progress made before that has been or will be surrendered. We are peaking in terms of social dysfunction and overall degeneration and this will continue as we move closer to electing the first ever redneck sex symbol to the office of POTUS.

well said. We're all supposed to be humans at the end of the day, but that seems to be lost on a certain segment of the populous.

... But wait- Roberts and his boys in black came to the conclusion that corporations were entitled to certain "human" rights- so that balances out the callousness you speak of!

It will get worse before it gets better, unless Obama or any Dem is able to put the next justice in place when Kennedy retires.

Allanfan20 wrote:

It's really another topic for another thread, however, if you know anything about Obamas education policy, you'd see it's basically the same exact one as Bush's, which is bad. His support of the No Child Left Behind act is an example. Instead of trying to support minority schools that are already underfunded, he wants to shut them down and replace them with Charter schools, which doesn't help the minority community at all. Like I said though, it's a big topic, so it deserves it's own thread, which I definitely have started once or twice before in the past couple of months.

Yup.

As a teacher, I am not that happy with Obama on education, and I actually did some fieldwork for his campaign, and was desperate to see him win.

Paladin55 wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:

It's really another topic for another thread, however, if you know anything about Obamas education policy, you'd see it's basically the same exact one as Bush's, which is bad. His support of the No Child Left Behind act is an example. Instead of trying to support minority schools that are already underfunded, he wants to shut them down and replace them with Charter schools, which doesn't help the minority community at all. Like I said though, it's a big topic, so it deserves it's own thread, which I definitely have started once or twice before in the past couple of months.

Yup.

As a teacher, I am not that happy with Obama on education, and I actually did some fieldwork for his campaign, and was desperate to see him win.

Wouldn't you agree that the urban public school system has failed the community as a whole. I mean this isn't a new issue that started within a year. If we use NYC as an example. My old HS was shut down. Why? It was shut down due to a significant dropout rate (45%), low standardize test performance that has been on a steady decline for more than a decade. When I graduated from the same HS the dropout rate was no more than 7% and the school did well in Regents testing. What was the Teacher's Union response, pour more money into the problem. Someone from the union will have to explain why Charter schools thrive on similar if not lower funding than public schools. If the Teachers' Union was open to solving the problem they would be in favor of independent performance peer review every year. I know it isn't a clear cut answer in the matter but I just don't get the whole dump more money on the issue status quo thing.

Swishfm3 wrote:wow.

I'm sending this to everyone I know

Thats whats up. This needs light.

holfresh wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:

sebstar wrote:

loweyecue wrote:It is sad to see moral and cultural values taking a beating everyday. Simple decency is a thing of the past, and rabid hatemongering is in. The Bush administration served a s blueprint to take this country back to the dark ages especially important were the supreme court nominations. All the progress made before that has been or will be surrendered. We are peaking in terms of social dysfunction and overall degeneration and this will continue as we move closer to electing the first ever redneck sex symbol to the office of POTUS.

well said. We're all supposed to be humans at the end of the day, but that seems to be lost on a certain segment of the populous.

It's really another topic for another thread, however, if you know anything about Obamas education policy, you'd see it's basically the same exact one as Bush's, which is bad. His support of the No Child Left Behind act is an example. Instead of trying to support minority schools that are already underfunded, he wants to shut them down and replace them with Charter schools, which doesn't help the minority community at all. Like I said though, it's a big topic, so it deserves it's own thread, which I definitely have started once or twice before in the past couple of months.

With that said, I have no clue who Chris Myers is, but I'm assuming he's lost his job for making a messed up comment like that, as he should. Yeah, their lives are being ruined and so they sit on their roof tops to make political statements. Good one. Idiot.

I thought he was changing "no child left behind"...Also a dramatic increase in funding...

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/03/15/obama.education/index.html

The only difference is he's planning on making the standardized tests more difficult. It's still about making the rich get richer and the poor get poorer, yet he isn't even looking at the long term consequences of this.

1) He plans on shutting down the poor schools instead of aiding them so that they can improve their education.

2) He promotes having those schools replaced with charter schools, which can promote segregation, which is already in progress.

3) Once those kids move to other schools, those better schools will become overcrowded, making the quality of those schools less adequate, and even unsafe.

It's a whole f'ed up system. It's not really just Obamas fault. It's all these politicians who think they know, but they don't.

holfresh wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:

sebstar wrote:

loweyecue wrote:It is sad to see moral and cultural values taking a beating everyday. Simple decency is a thing of the past, and rabid hatemongering is in. The Bush administration served a s blueprint to take this country back to the dark ages especially important were the supreme court nominations. All the progress made before that has been or will be surrendered. We are peaking in terms of social dysfunction and overall degeneration and this will continue as we move closer to electing the first ever redneck sex symbol to the office of POTUS.

well said. We're all supposed to be humans at the end of the day, but that seems to be lost on a certain segment of the populous.

It's really another topic for another thread, however, if you know anything about Obamas education policy, you'd see it's basically the same exact one as Bush's, which is bad. His support of the No Child Left Behind act is an example. Instead of trying to support minority schools that are already underfunded, he wants to shut them down and replace them with Charter schools, which doesn't help the minority community at all. Like I said though, it's a big topic, so it deserves it's own thread, which I definitely have started once or twice before in the past couple of months.

With that said, I have no clue who Chris Myers is, but I'm assuming he's lost his job for making a messed up comment like that, as he should. Yeah, their lives are being ruined and so they sit on their roof tops to make political statements. Good one. Idiot.

I thought he was changing "no child left behind"...Also a dramatic increase in funding...

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/03/15/obama.education/index.html

The only difference is he's planning on making the standardized tests more difficult. It's still about making the rich get richer and the poor get poorer, yet he isn't even looking at the long term consequences of this.

1) He plans on shutting down the poor schools instead of aiding them so that they can improve their education.

2) He promotes having those schools replaced with charter schools, which can promote segregation, which is already in progress.

3) Once those kids move to other schools, those better schools will become overcrowded, making the quality of those schools less adequate, and even unsafe.

It's a whole f'ed up system. It's not really just Obamas fault. It's all these politicians who think they know, but they don't.

Well here is the thing...What's happening now isn't working...Something has to change...Who has the right formula to make it work, I don't know but something has to be tried...On the face of it, lifetime tenure to teachers seems odd at best, this isn't the supreme court... NY Times has an article about this today, too lengthy to post...

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/23/magazine/23Race-t.html?adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1274634045-ere+bFqoYzBNBjzjvK5YkQ

Government has no f..n way to make education better. In fact government was failing in all they do and will fail in anything they will take on.
The only way education can get better if parents and society culture as a whole will change to realize that education is power.
When people will demand better teaching and better programs and better schools they will became better.
For now most of American people still think that educated people are some strange creatures who waste their time instead of having fun or making money.

holfresh wrote:

arkrud wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:

sebstar wrote:

loweyecue wrote:It is sad to see moral and cultural values taking a beating everyday. Simple decency is a thing of the past, and rabid hatemongering is in. The Bush administration served a s blueprint to take this country back to the dark ages especially important were the supreme court nominations. All the progress made before that has been or will be surrendered. We are peaking in terms of social dysfunction and overall degeneration and this will continue as we move closer to electing the first ever redneck sex symbol to the office of POTUS.

well said. We're all supposed to be humans at the end of the day, but that seems to be lost on a certain segment of the populous.

It's really another topic for another thread, however, if you know anything about Obamas education policy, you'd see it's basically the same exact one as Bush's, which is bad. His support of the No Child Left Behind act is an example. Instead of trying to support minority schools that are already underfunded, he wants to shut them down and replace them with Charter schools, which doesn't help the minority community at all. Like I said though, it's a big topic, so it deserves it's own thread, which I definitely have started once or twice before in the past couple of months.

With that said, I have no clue who Chris Myers is, but I'm assuming he's lost his job for making a messed up comment like that, as he should. Yeah, their lives are being ruined and so they sit on their roof tops to make political statements. Good one. Idiot.

I thought he was changing "no child left behind"...Also a dramatic increase in funding...

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/03/15/obama.education/index.html

The only difference is he's planning on making the standardized tests more difficult. It's still about making the rich get richer and the poor get poorer, yet he isn't even looking at the long term consequences of this.

1) He plans on shutting down the poor schools instead of aiding them so that they can improve their education.

2) He promotes having those schools replaced with charter schools, which can promote segregation, which is already in progress.

3) Once those kids move to other schools, those better schools will become overcrowded, making the quality of those schools less adequate, and even unsafe.

It's a whole f'ed up system. It's not really just Obamas fault. It's all these politicians who think they know, but they don't.

Well here is the thing...What's happening now isn't working...Something has to change...Who has the right formula to make it work, I don't know but something has to be tried...On the face of it, lifetime tenure to teachers seems odd at best, this isn't the supreme court... NY Times has an article about this today, too lengthy to post...

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/23/magazine/23Race-t.html?adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1274634045-ere+bFqoYzBNBjzjvK5YkQ

Government has no f..n way to make education better. In fact government was failing in all they do and will fail in anything they will take on.
The only way education can get better if parents and society culture as a whole will change to realize that education is power.
When people will demand better teaching and better programs and better schools they will became better.
For now most of American people still think that educated people are some strange creatures who waste their time instead of having fun or making money.

It's always pretty easy to beat up on Government saying they failed in all they do...But it was government that educated the people that has turned this nation into what it currently is...The number one destination on the planet for higher education...Last time I check, it was this government behind the best fighting force on the planet and the best space program known to man...It was government that also stopped our recent slide into a full scale depression, make no mistake about it, it was REAL...I can go on...So yeah, join the GOP saying government can't ever get it right, the facts aren't too far to refute that line of thought...The government has a huge role to play in how things need to change for the better educationally...It's the only entity that has the resources to make effective changes...The question is how?...

I was leaving 33 years in the country control by Government 100% - USSR.
It was crappy and it fall apart eventually.
The achievements you mentioned are achievements of American people and entrepreneurs.
Government was smart to stay aside and do not f..ck it up. This time with economy they REALLY f..ck it up.
And you will see the consequences shortly.
And I do not have any sympaty to GOP as well as for Democrats. They not much different from each other.