fishmike wrote:

djsunyc wrote:

fishmike wrote:

djsunyc wrote:alvin gentry has the team in the same round as d'antoni.

so either gentry is just as good, if not better than d'antoni or nash is truly an all time great regardless of coach.

Does this apply to JVG and Riley and the Knicks? Same logic

i do stipulate that if a coach can win in multiple spots, then it's different. riley is great as coaches didn't win as much with ewing and he also built the heat into a good team. van gundy you can debate but his work with an injured rockets team say yes.

he did everything Riley did with the Knicks and beat Riley in several head to head matchups in the playoffs.

Yet, he failed to get out of the first without Ewing and facing Riley in a series. There is something to it. The fact that his most successful run came using guys that he did not want (Spree came off the bench for the season and Camby barely played) says that he was more along for the ride in many cases. I think that a main reason why he's been without a NBA job for awhile.

knicks1248 wrote:

djsunyc wrote:alvin gentry has the team in the same round as d'antoni.

so either gentry is just as good, if not better than d'antoni or nash is truly an all time great regardless of coach.

Oh yeah nash has everythng to do with the success of both Gentry and MDA, just like KOBE and MJ keep making phil look like a genius...Isn't all about the talent...

Like I said if you're on a slow horse you have no chance. Put a great horse in the hands of a great jockey and he could win a triple crown. The coach is there to prod and guide the talent. If you don't have the talent it's much harder for a coach to do something good. Just ask LB or any of our other coaches. You've got to build with the best ingredients and they have to make sense together. That's what DW is about to do.

Djsunyc, the Idea that Bell and Marion were the reasons that MDA had a better defense than Gentry is obviously missing the fact that Gentry has more size than MDA had and supposedly a more focused Amare. Let's just face the facts the Suns aren't really built as a defensive juggernaut. Even with the additions Kerr and company have made the teams is still weak up the middle so long as Nash and Amare are in there. Lopex and Frye don't really scare anyone.

Here we want to put together a better core of naturally gifted 2 way players. Gallo, Chan & TD can defend and proved that this year. Not the greatest, but when you start to put together a group that can get stops you need your skill people to be able to hold their own. Now Add Lebron, Bosh and a shotblocker like Tyrus or Brendan Haywood and you could have something pretty strong.

djsunyc wrote:

fishmike wrote:

djsunyc wrote:alvin gentry has the team in the same round as d'antoni.

so either gentry is just as good, if not better than d'antoni or nash is truly an all time great regardless of coach.

Does this apply to JVG and Riley and the Knicks? Same logic

i do stipulate that if a coach can win in multiple spots, then it's different. riley is great as coaches didn't win as much with ewing and he also built the heat into a good team. van gundy you can debate but his work with an injured rockets team say yes.

Riley didn't build the heat (as a coach), SVG did. Riley stepped in to take credit for it.