BRIGGS wrote:upwards of 35mm $ left on the table? I don't know about you but I would NOT take LESS.

Yeah you've said this before but for me, you're overstating & getting into some misconception here. How in the world do you figure he'll be losing $35 million outright, without question? Not the case AT ALL. It's definitely a situation with some variables that's not nearly as cut and dry as you make it sound...If he signs the 5-year deal with us with the opt-out after 4, he'll then have the right to renegotiate himself a new extended deal at that time (and mind you, this could be a year or two BEFORE he begins to show decline -- once a player starts to show precipitous decline in production &/or skill, there goes the next big payday. We've seen it happen before. So there's that to consider.)...Now if that's the case, then how the hell is he guaranteed to lose $35 million dollars? How when he'd be on the new 2nd contract?!?!?? Please explain that to me... More or less, max contracts start in the $16-17 million dollar neighborhood now but who knows what they'll wind up being 4 or 5 years down the road when the economy continues to rebound and the league itself is in better shape...Plus, I'm not convinced the new CBA will call for contract limits far and away below what are allowed now. That seems extremely speculative at this point. Tell you what, if it does and the proposal outlines earning potential far below what the players are used to getting now and it doesn't make any sense to the players' union, you figure they'll be a strike for sure. Or a lockout by the owners..Then what? Then nobody wins...Like with the salary cap (an issue that seems to have worked out well for everyone involved), it could be less but not to the extreme that we're hearing..

Believe me I fully recognize there is some risk involved for a free agent to forgo a 6th year in terms of total salary earning potential (at least initially)...I know, I know, what if the player gets injured right? But can you really think that way??? Walk around on egg shells like that esp. if these players want to win and be part of something special? Hey maybe man. I'm sure there are plenty of players out there in all sports that are solely motivated by the money and that's it. The robots and the walking calculators...There's also plenty of players that may choose to sacrifice some in order to win. Not everyone has the same exact motivation. You can't tell me any different. Back to contract length for a sec., picture this: A big-time FA signs the 6-year deal with his home team and then God forbid severely injuries himself in the 5th or 6th year or even earlier. Then what? No new 2nd lucrative deal, that's what. Meanwhile, 5-year deal/opt out after 4 and then renegotiation of a new long-term deal at that time, he's in the clear as far as injury goes within the following year or two..If you wanna use the injury argument as part of your reasoning then it's gotta go both ways... Even so, I don't see $35 million bucks worth of risk. The dollar amount on the risk is a lot less than that imo when you look at it in these terms, something you're refusing to do for whatever reason.

There's definitely no one definitive way of looking at this as you suggest. Regardless, there's a major factor involved in this whole equation for these players to think about: making the most money possibly (NBA salary only) vs. winning on the sport's biggest stage in NYC. Does a guy like Chris Bosh just want to get paid or does he want to come to NY, hopefully with LeBron in tow if that can be hashed out, and win championships together in Madison Square Garden, the Mecca? Say whatever you want but that's a major angle to the pitch, one that I think several players out there could be open to and find appealing. That's a rather unique opportunity we could provide for these guys to consider..Money's usually the bottom line that talks, no real argument here, but I could certainly see the situation we can offer a player (two big players really) actually being appealing. We'll just have to see if it's appealing to the top two guys on our wish list.

If its all about Lebron winning then he can take a big ass pay cut and get more players here or anywhere.

Hell, he can play for the Lakers for the vets Minium if he wants!

Finestrg wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:upwards of 35mm $ left on the table? I don't know about you but I would NOT take LESS.

Yeah you've said this before but for me, you're overstating & getting into some misconception here. How in the world do you figure he'll be losing $35 million outright, without question? Not the case AT ALL. It's definitely a situation with some variables that's not nearly as cut and dry as you make it sound...If he signs the 5-year deal with us with the opt-out after 4, he'll then have the right to renegotiate himself a new extended deal at that time (and mind you, this could be a year or two BEFORE he begins to show decline -- once a player starts to show precipitous decline in production &/or skill, there goes the next big payday. We've seen it happen before. So there's that to consider.)...Now if that's the case, then how the hell is he guaranteed to lose $35 million dollars? How when he'd be on the new 2nd contract?!?!?? Please explain that to me... More or less, max contracts start in the $16-17 million dollar neighborhood now but who knows what they'll wind up being 4 or 5 years down the road when the economy continues to rebound and the league itself is in better shape...Plus, I'm not convinced the new CBA will call for contract limits far and away below what are allowed now. That seems extremely speculative at this point. Tell you what, if it does and the proposal outlines earning potential far below what the players are used to getting now and it doesn't make any sense to the players' union, you figure they'll be a strike for sure. Or a lockout by the owners..Then what? Then nobody wins...Like with the salary cap (an issue that seems to have worked out well for everyone involved), it could be less but not to the extreme that we're hearing..

Believe me I fully recognize there is some risk involved for a free agent to forgo a 6th year in terms of total salary earning potential (at least initially)...I know, I know, what if the player gets injured right? But can you really think that way??? Walk around on egg shells like that esp. if these players want to win and be part of something special? Hey maybe man. I'm sure there are plenty of players out there in all sports that are solely motivated by the money and that's it. The robots and the walking calculators...There's also plenty of players that may choose to sacrifice some in order to win. Not everyone has the same exact motivation. You can't tell me any different. Back to contract length for a sec., picture this: A big-time FA signs the 6-year deal with his home team and then God forbid severely injuries himself in the 5th or 6th year or even earlier. Then what? No new 2nd lucrative deal, that's what. Meanwhile, 5-year deal/opt out after 4 and then renegotiation of a new long-term deal at that time, he's in the clear as far as injury goes within the following year or two..If you wanna use the injury argument as part of your reasoning then it's gotta go both ways... Even so, I don't see $35 million bucks worth of risk. The dollar amount on the risk is a lot less than that imo when you look at it in these terms, something you're refusing to do for whatever reason.

There's definitely no one definitive way of looking at this as you suggest. Regardless, there's a major factor involved in this whole equation for these players to think about: making the most money possibly (NBA salary only) vs. winning on the sport's biggest stage in NYC. Does a guy like Chris Bosh just want to get paid or does he want to come to NY, hopefully with LeBron in tow if that can be hashed out, and win championships together in Madison Square Garden, the Mecca? Say whatever you want but that's a major angle to the pitch, one that I think several players out there could be open to and find appealing. That's a rather unique opportunity we could provide for these guys to consider..Money's usually the bottom line that talks, no real argument here, but I could certainly see the situation we can offer a player (two big players really) actually being appealing. We'll just have to see if it's appealing to the top two guys on our wish list.

Lee plays more like Bosh .......

Gallo and Bargs together wont work ......... Lee and Bargs and you get same production as Bosh
for 6 million less!!

I see sign and trade for Lee and Chandler for Bosh and Calderon

Or thats what I would like to see!!

DurzoBlint wrote:HELL NO. Bosch, as good as he is, isn't worth both those guys. Hell, I'm not sure I'd move Gallo for him.

You can't be serious.

If we dont get Lebron then sure I would give Bosh the max. Sign him, resign Lee, use the remaining $8mm or so for depth or try to sign a PG or trade for one using the cap space

TheGame wrote:IF we can resign Lee while adding Bosh and Lebron, then I would rather that team. We can alway find a three point shooter. But finding three quality frontcourt players is tough to do. I think this will work if we can get Curry to take a buyout for 80% and Bosh is willing to take a million below max. That should free up $10 mil to sign Lee.

we can't do that. lebron and bosh are going to total 32+mm and we have 34 to spend. only way that scenario would work is if we somehow unloaded curry's contract for absolutely nothing.