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Moonangie
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5/14/2010  3:19 PM
I don't buy your theory, Elite. But I definitely hope you're right, especially about the PLAN to come to the big stage to start his dynasty.
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5/14/2010  3:24 PM
I am confused how anyone condones throwing games in the playoffs.

If he wanted to come here he would come. When Shaq left he didnt dog it in the playoffs. He played his best then left.

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5/14/2010  3:56 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/14/2010  3:58 PM
While I don't think he meticulously blew every possession last night, I definitely think he quit on his team. Yes he stuffed the stat sheet, but if you rewatch the game, look at LeBron's body language. This was the guy who just last season was so passionate about the game that he stormed off the court after getting ousted by Orlando.

Not once last night did LeBron try to rally his teammates. Where was the leadership? I hardly saw any fight from LeBron on the defensive end of the court. He looked really lethargic out there, and I was actually surprised by his statline when I saw it after the game. A lot of his turnovers were very uncharacteristic and unforced -- ie. making dangerous passes or losing the dribble at the perimeter. There were also a couple of possessions (and Sportscenter made note of it), where LeBron would have the ball and have a clear open lane to drive down, but instead passes it off to Mo Williams or Delonte West and "moonwalks" away from the possession. This isn't MVP LeBron, folks.

I think he threw the game, but I don't think he did it to make his exit easier to NY or wherever. I get the feeling there was some unreported lockerroom dispute, and likely with Mike Brown. I think LeBron gave up on his coach after Game 4, and then purposely only gave 80% effort in 5 and 6.

And to those that say why would we want such a quitter on our team? Kobe quit on the Lakers much the same way but now he's a champion. Prima-donna or not, LeBron is still one of the best players in the league and I'd most definitely want him on the Knicks.

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5/14/2010  4:14 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/14/2010  4:15 PM
fishmike wrote:Lebron played his ass off last night. They lost because Lebron destroyed the Celtics off the dribble and passed to open man after open man who changed jumper after jumper. Mo Williams with what? one shot made in the 2nd half?

Watching Cav after Cav clang those jumpers I had to laugh about all the people who were saying the Cavs had a better supporting cast than the Knicks. Douglas, Lee and Gallo would feast on jumpers all day, and Lee, Chandler and Gallo are excellent finishers. BigZ and Shaq have nothing, zilch left in the tank. Thanks to Brook Lopez they arent the slowest players in the NBA. Moon and West cant hit an open jumper and Verajo is so terrible offensively its not a discussion. He's defense is overrated also. He intimidates nobody. At least Ben Wallace, who was litterally half a player totally got in guy's heads and played game changing defense. AV just jumps around alot.

The Celtics played a very simple scheme. It was much like how the Knicks used to play MJ. Force him into jumpers, collapse on him when he drives and make other players beat you with jumpers. If the Cavs hit half the open shots they should have Lebron would have had 20 assists.

Lebron has a lot of BS that follows him around, with his King comments, his plans, etc. But once the game starts he's a player. I dont think he quit at the end of the game, I think he ran out of gas.

after those 2 threes in the fourth, he went right to the bench in the timeout, sat down and put his head down. no fire, no talking to his teammates...nothing.

then he comes down and gets stopped by tony allen.

dude blew the last 2 games. he didn't try to carry sh t. and this is coming from a guy that still thinks he's the best player in the league.

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5/14/2010  5:21 PM
Elite wrote:I dont get why this isn't being talked about more, to me it was so obvious.

Lebron James and his "Team" of advisors had a plan, and they executed it. The plan was to form a justifiable escape route out of Cleveland. A way to get out of Cleveland without everyone killing him for "not caring about winning". A way for him to say "My team just wasn't good enough in Cleveland, I had to go elsewhere where i felt i had a better chance to win"

They pulled it off.

THE PLAN:

Force your team to win the game (which they can't) But do just enough to make it look like its not TOO obvious your throwing the game, but when momentum is on the line. Throw it.

Executed PERFECTLY. Watch the tape.

Game 5 - Lebron comes out dishing, not attacking at ALL... But they were at home so his teammates were actually getting it going. His only option was to get off the ball, totally uninvolved, so that his team would not be able to surge off him and make the game too close. What does he do? Watch Lebron in game 5, he spent more time STANDING in the corner away from the action than I've ever seen him spend in a game. many NBA experts have already said the same thing, not only was he STANDING AROUND off the ball more than ever (what does an ELBOW injury have to do with that?) but when he DID get the ball, he would swing it to a sometimes completely surprised teammate who was in no better position to create a shot than Lebron was when it left his hands. This is not Injury, this is more than that. Injury, your taking the shots, but they just aren t falling. By the way did you notice in game 5 when he DID take shots they were Vince Carter Esc... Fading back for no reason (which he never does) and missing by a foot.

THE PLAN: Ok everyone is suspecting you. What do you do? Make sure you stuff the stats so that its not too obvious, but when it COUNTS... Make sure Boston gets the momentum play.

EXECUTED PERFECTLY

Game 6 - Lebron comes out with a few dunks to quickly quell the notion that something is "up"... ok.. he's gunna try tonight.. cool. Lebron starts driving to the basket in the first half to show he's being aggressive.. But what happens on 50% of the drives? He gets tied up, stripped, etc. This almost NEVER happens to Lebron. He was fumbling the ball so much on drives, what does that have to do with an Elbow? Sure credit the Celtics D... But Lebron was CLEARLY not going as hard as he usually does to the hole, he was simply leaving the ball out there for people to strip. 2nd half boston starts to pull away. Every time the Cavs had an important possession, Lebron would throw the ball away. One play in particular where he threw a CROSSCOURT pass to Anthony Parker coming off a screen CLEARLY coming out to the top of the court, but Lebron threw the pass to the corner. There was NO WAY Parker would have gone to that corner, That was the most clear example of throwing the game of the night. That was not a turnover on accident, Watch the tape I don't care what anyone says.

Ok but its getting obvious again... Lebron is fading, its time to show a little fight... What does he do? Come down 2 straight possessions and hit 2 straight 3s to pull his team back. That elbow sure did look bad on those perfect shots! Riiiight.
NOW if you notice Lebrons body language after those shots was TOTALLY bizarre. What do you expect from Lebron after plays like that? Firing up his teammates? "LETS GO!" etc, excited, "we can do it!" right? No. Not at all. ACtually Lebron looked Nervous as FUCK... his hands were damn near shaking, like he was thinking "damn that might have been too much, we are really close now" watch the tape. What do you do next time down the court? Turn it over. Cuz if you really want to WIN you got to make the next play, or at least attempt to.. But if you turn it over and Boston scores, the momentum and game QUICKLY shifts back to Boston.

Mission Accomplished.

Also did Lebron look like he was upset to any of you last night? Not to me, not at all. He SPOKE the words he was supposed to speak, but there was no feeling behind them. Also interesting that before his press conference, he called for his "Team" of advisors to meet with him in a closed off locker room. I wonder why? Prolly feeling some nerves after what he just did, and needed some advice on how to approach the media, what to say etc.

The PLAN is to become a billionaire, and THE PLAN is to go to NEw York to do it.

Anyone questioning Lebron's ability to win playoff games after these performances is a damn fool. If he wanted to, he could have single handedly dismantled the Celtics in both these games. But he has a different agenda, he wants to win.. but he wants to do it on the BIG STAGE. He knew winning a title in Cleveland this year would not allow him to leave, that is why he wanted to win one SO BADLY last year. He could still have won a Chip for his city and justified leaving after loosing this year. Remember how MAD he was after the game last year???? He didn't even shake Oralndo's players hands... That's the type of competitor Lebron is, think about it folks.. It's so obvious it's not even funny.

Welcome to New York Lebron.

IF this is true, I don't want him.

TKF on Melo ::....he is a punk, a jerk, a self absorbed out of shape, self aggrandizing, unprofessional, volume chucking coach killing playoff loser!!
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5/14/2010  5:35 PM

I liked it when Varajo was bleeding and complaining that he was bleeding and wanted the game stopped and teh anouncers called him out on it. Said bleeding was good for the soul! Great line.
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5/14/2010  6:14 PM
http://tinyurl.com/2cjaa7k

pass it around.. im tellin yall the truth!

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5/14/2010  6:44 PM
Elite wrote:http://tinyurl.com/2cjaa7k

pass it around.. im tellin yall the truth!


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5/14/2010  6:55 PM
If the banging incident is true, he has tainted his career IMHO like others who have swayed and fixed games by a lack participation when the team needed him the most.
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5/14/2010  6:56 PM
playa2 wrote:If the banging incident is true, he has tainted his career IMHO like others who have swayed and fixed games by a lack participation when the team needed him the most.

if it's true then you say this??? no empathy or compassion whatsoever???

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5/14/2010  7:06 PM
playa2 wrote:If the banging incident is true, he has tainted his career IMHO like others who have swayed and fixed games by a lack participation when the team needed him the most.

Wow. I have to disagree if its true. Thats not him breaking up with his girl or his girl cheating on him. This is his mom sleeping with one of his teammates. How do you handle that?
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5/14/2010  7:08 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/14/2010  7:43 PM
Marv wrote:
playa2 wrote:If the banging incident is true, he has tainted his career IMHO like others who have swayed and fixed games by a lack participation when the team needed him the most.

if it's true then you say this??? no empathy or compassion whatsoever???

What ? This is like if ya dad gets drunk and walks outside the house and pisses in the street hits ya mom and all your friends on the block saw it. Domestic hood drama happens Marvy

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5/14/2010  7:10 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/14/2010  7:15 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
playa2 wrote:If the banging incident is true, he has tainted his career IMHO like others who have swayed and fixed games by a lack participation when the team needed him the most.

Wow. I have to disagree if its true. Thats not him breaking up with his girl or his girl cheating on him. This is his mom sleeping with one of his teammates. How do you handle that?

You do what all the other vets do, they claim sudden illness and don't play. Throwing a game because ya mom hasn't changed much since her younger days is only a shock to us, not to him. Did you read his lips and hear how he told his mom sit yo azz down in the video ? Garnett had to tell him " man don't say that". Bigtime dsyfunction from the James fam

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5/14/2010  7:22 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/14/2010  7:23 PM

Real down to earth guy.

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5/14/2010  11:44 PM
LaBron is a Lion.
Of course there are a lot of coyotes around to eat what’s left after Lion eat.
They will talk before the Lion will come back and then they will put their tail between the legs and run.
"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet
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5/16/2010  8:24 PM
If the Celtics beat the Magic, too, was Lebron still tanking?
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Lebron James threw the last 2 games

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