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Pharzeone
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5/14/2010  11:16 AM
Moonangie wrote:
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nyk4ever wrote:here's the first one from Chad Ford...

Boston Celtics fans were chanting "New York Knicks" during Thursday's Game 6 every time that LeBron James went to the foul line. Maybe they should've been chanting "Chicago Bulls."


One GM went a bit further in a phone call a few minutes later. "I think the Bulls are really going to go for it. Look for them to offer the Cavs Luol Deng in a sign-and-trade for LeBron. That will allow them to retain most of their cap space. Then they'll go after Dwyane Wade or Chris Bosh as well."

This seem to be the biggest rumor with legs this morning. One guy said that Lebron would love to leave the Cavs with pieces from a S&T and Deng, Gibson and Hinrich which would be great for Cleveland because it would leave them enough cap space to attract FAs of their own like Gay. Man I wanted to the Knicks to get Gibson in the draft. I knew this guy would be something in this league. I guess Chicago does not plan on including Noah. The Cavs or any team like the Raptors that the Bulls try to run a game on should demand Noah IMO. Don't give Lebron all his pieces.

Everyone seems to put NY behind Chicago, Cleveland as his choices but ahead of the Nets. If this guy goes to Chicago, Seb, Marv and Fish got to give up their standom and acknowledge this guy a drama queen and tease. I mean Chicago! That idiot Noah wanted to get in your face about your clowning and you may want to join up with him.

If it's going to be a S&T (which Ferry categorically dismisses... "I won't HELP Lebron leave the Cavs") the Knicks could offer Lee and one of Douglas/Chandler. That's about as good for the Cavs as Deng and Gibson and may be a way for Lee to get a bigger contract than he would command on the FA market. We would still be able to sign Bosh and then some. I hope it doesn't go down that way, but a S&T doesn't imply that the Knicks are out of the running. When all is said and done, Lebron will go where he wants to play (cēterīs paribus).

There's no doubt that NY has serious allure (bright lights, hoops mecca, the Garden, the fans, the ability to establish an enduring legacy without MJ hovering in the past, proximity to the epicenters of media, publishing and private equity). Lebron's mom dint raise no foo. He might SAY it's just about winning, but let's face it: Notwithstanding his crappy play in games 5 and 6 this week, he's still the best player in the NBA. And a little birdie told me he would LOVE to play in MDA's system.

Only 8 weeks until we have our definitive answer.

Your biggest issue right there is Lee is not under contract and would have to agree to a S&T. Deng doesn't have to agree to anything. To complicated right there. And in no way to I agree that between those two trades that the Knicks deal is better. Also, you just assume that Bosh is a fan of coming to NY. I haven't seen anywhere that would indicate that he even has NY on his mind. From what I gather he isn't a fan but who knows in FA.

The only guys that I heard really say that Lebron would love to play in MDA's system are on guys on this forum, MSG personnel, Hahn and Tommy Dee.

He faced two teams multiple times in the regular season. One team, fought him hard and made to the playoffs to face his team again. The other team, laid down like a dog when they faced him allowing his team to put up 40 point wins on them even when he was sitting on the bench on a regular basis. I let you guess which team is which. We shall see but I think it is safe to say I'm not as confident as you.

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5/14/2010  11:25 AM
I fear Lebron's sense of loyalty to the Cavs will make him want to workout a Sign n Trade. If that's true it will weaken our position. DW would have to do the hard sell in that Lebron would have to make a clean break in order to come to NY. Chicago has Rose, Miami has Wade but since we have so many open roster spots we can custom build this team in a short period of time. The other teams are somewhat stuck with guys that haven't lived up to expectations like Deng and Beasley. Neither guy has proven to be a difference maker. If I'm a GM of the Cavs I wouldn't want either guy in a trade.

The city is a bigger attraction from a business perspective than many doubters think. When you factor in the sheer number of businesses it's staggering. If you spend time in other cities after living in NY you really see how much bigger NY is. I'm sure Lebron is keenly aware of this. Sure he can come here any time but once he's wearing a NY jersey the flood gates will open on NY specific companies.

He also would have a clean slate in terms of not having to live up to a Jordan legacy. The challenge of bringing a title here and the parade down the canyon of heroes, which I'm sure they'll show him again. It's gonna be hard for his Agents to pass that up.
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5/14/2010  11:26 AM
bitty41 wrote:And how is the Yankees related to this discussion? Some vague story about seeing Egyptians wearing Yankees hats seems pretty irrelevant. The Yankees and Knicks are in two entirely different universes, the Yankees legacy has built through decades and numerous successes the Knicks haven't won a title in 40 years.

My example was showing the untapped potential that is NY. Potential unlike any other city in all of America. Lebron will realize that potential. He will be great, NY will be great and in 10 years we will be talking the Knicks legacy and all the titles this great city has won. NY is the only city where Lebron can build something so special.
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5/14/2010  11:27 AM    LAST EDITED: 5/14/2010  11:27 AM
I agree about having one LeBron rumors thread--as long as it is called "The Official LeBrumors Thread"
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5/14/2010  11:30 AM
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metra wrote:All the Chicago rumors are just the press circle jerking. There is absolutely no way Lebron goes to Chicago.

Lebron is the King. Cleveland a village, Chicago is a town, and NY is the KINGdom. There's no other way to think about it.

Long time since I posted....but isn't metra right? NYC is where he can make everything he ever wanted in life come true INCLUDING a title. Chicago? I know LBJ loves Jordan, but doesn't everyone think he wants to create his own legacy? He's going to win his title wherever he goes, but if it's in Chicago his teams will always be in the sahdow of Jordan's Bulls. I think that kind of stuff is important to him. My guess is if he leaves he's coming to the Knicks.


that is over rated--people are taking that to far. I think the last thing Lebron wants is another team to carry by himself. Chicago is set up in a way he does not have to do that.

Look at the knicks--were depleted. unknown what do we have?????????????? it's just not credible--eddy currys contract eats up our chance to fill out the roster or sign D lee--what exactly is the team? right now eddy curry is the frontcourt for goodness sakes and TD is the pg! Gallo and chandler--come on!

Briggs, are you thinking this through clearly? For starters, Lebron would never join the Knicks without knowing his sidekick is on board. So the roster would start with Lebron, Bosh, Gallo, Chandler, Douglas and Walker. We could most likely count on Barron, and don't discount the possibility of T-Mac using next year at a vet's minimum to reestablish his bonafides for a final contract. Even without T-Mac, that's a solid core. Then...

Eddie is a sweet trade chip next season. He's as good as gone, possibly in a terrific trade to bring a solid player to join Lebron's already excellent core. Teams will be looking to shed salary for the following FA summer of Melo & CP3. So we can take back a larger deal than Eddie's $11mil. That means...

Lebron
Bosh
Gallo
Chandler
Douglas
Walker
Barron

...would be joined by another top player for NEXT YEAR. After that, we have our 2011 first rounder and we will have our full MLE to play with in subsequent years. Gallo and Chandler can be resigned for big $ because we have their bird rights. So all in all, it's not exactly true that Chicago is the only team built to win now. Rose without the ball in his hands is nothing special. You think Lebron is planning to let Rose run the show in Chitown? Me either.

You have inside info that chris bosh is a knick?

i KNOW derrick rose is a Bull i know noah deng johnson henrich and gibson are bulls they have a number 1 pick

What you are saying is Bosh is going to take LESS to come to NY --a place where I think he dissed early this season. Tell me why Chris Bosh is going to take millions less?

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5/14/2010  11:36 AM
metra wrote:
bitty41 wrote:And how is the Yankees related to this discussion? Some vague story about seeing Egyptians wearing Yankees hats seems pretty irrelevant. The Yankees and Knicks are in two entirely different universes, the Yankees legacy has built through decades and numerous successes the Knicks haven't won a title in 40 years.

My example was showing the untapped potential that is NY. Potential unlike any other city in all of America. Lebron will realize that potential. He will be great, NY will be great and in 10 years we will be talking the Knicks legacy and all the titles this great city has won. NY is the only city where Lebron can build something so special.

Untapped potential NY can also be a hell whole if he puts in playoff performances like he did this series. The foregone conclusion is that Lebron will win titles but the Knicks could be easily 2, 3 years away from rebuilding their team.
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5/14/2010  11:45 AM
bitty41 wrote:Untapped potential NY can also be a hell whole if he puts in playoff performances like he did this series. The foregone conclusion is that Lebron will win titles but the Knicks could be easily 2, 3 years away from rebuilding their team.

Assuming lebron plays for 10 more years, then 2, 3 years away is still 7,8 years of winning titles. No, NY will not have a title the first year Bron gets here. But we will have multiple titles past the first year.
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5/14/2010  11:48 AM
Bosh would come for the same reason Lebron does! Two 25 yr old studs in the no. 1 city in the world, winning together for the next 10 yrs!!! This notion that our young core can't win with the addition of two of the best players in the league is nuts! Lebron was winning with a bunch of guys that by themselves would be as bad as we were.

We have some work to do on the roster but there's every expectation that we'll be able to succeed where the Cavs n Raptors failed.
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5/14/2010  11:53 AM
TMS wrote:i would create a TMS' bukkake lounge thread but i'm pretty sure it would get locked

never know until you try

SupremeCommander wrote:I agree about having one LeBron rumors thread--as long as it is called "The Official LeBrumors Thread"

LOL - like it, Martin and Andrew can name this thread whatever they want

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5/14/2010  11:53 AM
nixluva wrote:Bosh would come for the same reason Lebron does! Two 25 yr old studs in the no. 1 city in the world, winning together for the next 10 yrs!!! This notion that our young core can't win with the addition of two of the best players in the league is nuts! Lebron was winning with a bunch of guys that by themselves would be as bad as we were.

We have some work to do on the roster but there's every expectation that we'll be able to succeed where the Cavs n Raptors failed.

Maybe Lebron looks at who or who was not on the playoff schedule for the last two years and say hey that Bulls team is pretty good. Maybe Bosh says the same thing. Just saying.

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5/14/2010  12:04 PM
MISSING PERSON ALERT!! LeBron Raymond James Age 25 DOB12/30/ 84.
Cleveland,OH Reported missing 5/11/10.Last seen being taken to school by
Rajon Rondo (Boston Celtics), Not heard from since Nike stopped running
puppet commercials. Last seen in false NBA Crown. James may be in need
of medical attention for elbow. Any info helping authorities find LeBron
or his game, contact 1-800-FIND-KING!!
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5/14/2010  12:06 PM
djsunyc wrote:
MISSING PERSON ALERT!! LeBron Raymond James Age 25 DOB12/30/ 84.
Cleveland,OH Reported missing 5/11/10.Last seen being taken to school by
Rajon Rondo (Boston Celtics), Not heard from since Nike stopped running
puppet commercials. Last seen in false NBA Crown. James may be in need
of medical attention for elbow. Any info helping authorities find LeBron
or his game, contact 1-800-FIND-KING!!

that's too many numbers!!!!!!!!!

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5/14/2010  12:26 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/14/2010  12:31 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
Moonangie wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
MSG3 wrote:
metra wrote:All the Chicago rumors are just the press circle jerking. There is absolutely no way Lebron goes to Chicago.

Lebron is the King. Cleveland a village, Chicago is a town, and NY is the KINGdom. There's no other way to think about it.

Long time since I posted....but isn't metra right? NYC is where he can make everything he ever wanted in life come true INCLUDING a title. Chicago? I know LBJ loves Jordan, but doesn't everyone think he wants to create his own legacy? He's going to win his title wherever he goes, but if it's in Chicago his teams will always be in the sahdow of Jordan's Bulls. I think that kind of stuff is important to him. My guess is if he leaves he's coming to the Knicks.


that is over rated--people are taking that to far. I think the last thing Lebron wants is another team to carry by himself. Chicago is set up in a way he does not have to do that.

Look at the knicks--were depleted. unknown what do we have?????????????? it's just not credible--eddy currys contract eats up our chance to fill out the roster or sign D lee--what exactly is the team? right now eddy curry is the frontcourt for goodness sakes and TD is the pg! Gallo and chandler--come on!

Briggs, are you thinking this through clearly? For starters, Lebron would never join the Knicks without knowing his sidekick is on board. So the roster would start with Lebron, Bosh, Gallo, Chandler, Douglas and Walker. We could most likely count on Barron, and don't discount the possibility of T-Mac using next year at a vet's minimum to reestablish his bonafides for a final contract. Even without T-Mac, that's a solid core. Then...

Eddie is a sweet trade chip next season. He's as good as gone, possibly in a terrific trade to bring a solid player to join Lebron's already excellent core. Teams will be looking to shed salary for the following FA summer of Melo & CP3. So we can take back a larger deal than Eddie's $11mil. That means...

Lebron
Bosh
Gallo
Chandler
Douglas
Walker
Barron

...would be joined by another top player for NEXT YEAR. After that, we have our 2011 first rounder and we will have our full MLE to play with in subsequent years. Gallo and Chandler can be resigned for big $ because we have their bird rights. So all in all, it's not exactly true that Chicago is the only team built to win now. Rose without the ball in his hands is nothing special. You think Lebron is planning to let Rose run the show in Chitown? Me either.

You have inside info that chris bosh is a knick?

i KNOW derrick rose is a Bull i know noah deng johnson henrich and gibson are bulls they have a number 1 pick

What you are saying is Bosh is going to take LESS to come to NY --a place where I think he dissed early this season. Tell me why Chris Bosh is going to take millions less?

I never said Bosh would take less. I said Lebron would ONLY come to NY if he knew a player like Bosh was coming, too. Both would be MAX deals. How is that "taking less"? And Bosh never dis'd the NYK. He laughed when asked about playing here but then explained that it wasn't meant in disrespect but because he was always being pestered. Plus, that was when we could ONLY afford Bosh or Lebron, not both. Things have canged in that regard, wouldn't you agree?

The Bulls certainly don't have a number 1 pick, unless by that you mean they have a first rounder. And we all know that having a first rounder doesn't mean jack unless it's top three or so. The Bulls would have to get pretty lucky to get that high a pick.

Noah and Rose are great pieces. Gibson and Deng are solid. Hinrich and Johnson? Please. I agree the Bulls have a better roster as currently built than Gallo, Chandler and Douglas. But not by as much as you apparently think. To be effective, Rose needs the ball in his hands much of the time. Same for Lebron. Are you thinking that Lebron will play off the ball more to accommodate his new roster? A little birdie told me that's ridiculous.

My proposition was that Lebron would be coming WITH BOSH. And I offer that the Bulls with Lebron are not better than a starting five in NY of Bosh, Gallo, Lebron, Chandler, and Douglas. With Eddie's deal coming off the books in a blockbuster trade next season, we could add another star player to that mix.
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5/14/2010  12:53 PM
With LeBron James, Chris Bosh and Danilo Gallinari, we would have our three main pieces set for a title contender. We'll have an elite Godlike wing scorer/playmaker/defender in King James, an elite big man in Bosh and a dangerous outside shooter in Gallo. The hard work would be done. Filling out roster spots 4-8/9 is much easier. We already have Wilson Chandler, Toney Douglas and Bill Walker. We can resign Earl Barron for the minimum and sign vets like Steve Blake, Raja Bell, Kurt Thomas to the vet minimum too. I don't get this idea that Chicago is so far ahead of us talent wise. Besides Derrick Rose and Joakim Noah, there is not much else. Taj Gibson is alright but nothing special. Luol Deng is overrated and Kirk Hinrich is not that valuable with Rose there. It's just "hate" talking and the everyday attempt by some here at trying to make New York look as bad as possible. Some here have even gone as far as trying to make it seem like New Jersey is more attractive for a free agent. Very confusing to me.
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5/15/2010  11:49 AM
Can we get a sticky on this?
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5/15/2010  4:41 PM
The bulls are a playoff team that has never made it past the first round so in realitytheyre just like the cavs impressive in the regular season but not winners in the playoffs. How can you get past the magic to get to the finals if Noah is gaurding Howard?? Seriously? Noah is verazo or however u spell his name. Rose is an upgraded mo. Luol deng will play the role of Jamison and you get the same results your watching the ecf on tv. Not to mention the Jordan shadow thing and the fact that if he were to go to chi town it would troubly be a s&t and if so the cavs ain't doing it if they dnt get rose. I'm tired of hearing about chi town I think it's just a rumor to spice things up it's really just ny and Cleveland oh and the calipari thing is DEAD nobody mention it again because cal said himself that he's staying in Lexington
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5/15/2010  7:43 PM
I really don't get this so-called Godlike great talent the Chicago Bulls have. Derrick Rose is awesome - I'll give them that. But he's not Deron Williams or Chris Paul. Joakim Noah is a warrior - I'll give them that. But he's not Chris Bosh or Amare Stoudemire. And the rest of their team is horrible. Luol Deng is overrated. Taj Gibson is nothing special. They don't want to keep Kirk Hinrich. They don't even have a Coach and will probably not get a very good one since their toxic and infighting front office is too cheap - they lost Ben Gordon, Tyrus Thomas and John Salmons for NOTHING.

If it's all about winning for LeBron James, New York is STILL his best option. We can sign his sidekick in Bosh. We have four talented young players in Danilo Gallinari, Wilson Chandler, Toney Douglas and Bill Walker. We have Eddy Curry's $11.3M expiring contract to get another piece or two. There are options in New York to improve the supporting cast that no other team has - except Miami but King James isn't going there.
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5/15/2010  11:32 PM
Rose is that second star and Noah is a very good player. There has been speculation that the Bulls will use Deng and Hinrich in a sign and trade to get Bosh if they get LeBron. That is pretty good compensation. I like Deng and Hinrich alot. They are not elite players but they are very good. Deng's problems have been more health related in my opinion.
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5/16/2010  12:15 PM
I think Lee/Chandler is better package than Deng/Hinrich. Of course Lee has to agree to go, and Lebron needs a good complimentary wing player like Gallo much more than he needs a penetrating point guard. Lebron + Bosh +Gallo is at least as good as if not slightly better than Lebron + Bosh + Rose. And does Tony Parker really want to stay a Spur for the next 5 years? As good as they have been that team has started fading. I think Eva Longoria would like the Big Apple better.

IDK about salaries etc, but would Lee go to Phoenix, Amare to Toronto (to be the man) and Bosh to NY? Lee would be very happy playing with Nash, Bosh already wants to leave and Amare wants to the be the focus of the offense.

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5/16/2010  12:37 PM
Marc Berman of the New York Post writes that the Knicks could help lure LeBron James to town by giving one of his former high school teammate's a spot on their summer league roster.

The Knicks are in need of help at the point guard position and could give Dru Joyce III, who played in Poland last season, a shot to make the team.

Berman continues that the Knicks could even offer Joyce an invitation to training camp if that's what it would take to land James.

Read more: http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/66609/20100516/knicks_might_give_lebrons_hs_teammate_chance_to_make_team/#ixzz0o6xM97ho

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