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iSergio
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5/12/2010  11:49 AM    LAST EDITED: 5/12/2010  11:50 AM
AnubisADL wrote:
iSergio wrote:LeBron James is a 50% jump shooter.

Kobe and Carmelo had a 46% FG%. Are you trying to tell me Lebron is a better jump shooter than those 2 guys?

This past season? Yes.

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5/12/2010  12:08 PM
djsunyc wrote:i also don't remember mj taking 4 shots in a playoff game.

LeBron took 14 shots; not 4.

lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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5/12/2010  12:13 PM
How about giving the celtics some damn credit...Everybody is talking abut bron and his mates, what about ray stepping up, the absolute emergence of rondo, the steady play of kg, big baby, and tony allen, not to mention the celtics defense.

Like someone said, mike woodson deosn't have a clue, and hasn't been able to make the proper adjustment during the game.

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5/12/2010  12:15 PM
Regular season winning 60 plus for two years builds expectations.

Lebron had a bad game and nobody steps up.

There is the regular season then there is the playoffs. Celts are battle tested vets were Cavs are not. Shaq is not in game shape. I saw him play at ATL in Decmeber and he was amazing. Now he labors.

I have heard the blame falls on team unity and Mike Brown got the rotation all wrong, Lebron is disappearing, and the team is garbage.

I think the Celts have come together and are healthy right now. They are a deeper team with experiance. Jamison has not much experience in the big game. Delote? Mo Williams? Parker? Non is A-list.

ESPN had a comment that Mike was almost a Sociopath in his desire to win. Lebron wants to please too many people but is not a big enough prick. Mike was a prick.

This is how you learn.

This is why I long have said Phil Jax does not get enough credit. He took Mike and made hm the stone cold killer. Same with Kobe. Shaq ws no killer, neither was Pippen. Great "wingmen" but not the leader. Lebron is having "fun". He is good enough to do that and succeed but to put a team on your back and have fun while doin it might not be a mutual occurance. I think its fun to win but at that level you have to crave it like you crave air! Throw anyone or anything under the bus to win.

Leborn don't have that yet. Very few do.

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5/12/2010  12:17 PM
iSergio wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
iSergio wrote:LeBron James is a 50% jump shooter.

Kobe and Carmelo had a 46% FG%. Are you trying to tell me Lebron is a better jump shooter than those 2 guys?

This past season? Yes.

Bron had a 43.8% eFG on jumpers this year
Melo had a 41.0% eFG on jumpers this year
Bryant had a 46.2% eFG on jumpers this year

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5/12/2010  12:18 PM
kam77 wrote:
djsunyc wrote:i also don't remember mj taking 4 shots in a playoff game.

LeBron took 14 shots; not 4.

I'm telling you - Bron is getting the Ewing treatment. It's like he's already wearing a Knicks jersey.

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5/12/2010  12:20 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/12/2010  12:31 PM
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AnubisADL wrote:
bitty41 wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:Lebron's supporting cast isn't garbage. This is no different than OKC waxing LA's ass in Oklahoma during the first round and people were saying Kobe fell off. LOL. When the teams BEST player doesnt perform it effects the team as a whole.

Lebron has not played aggressive in the last two games. Taking 4 FG's in the first half tells me all I need to know. See Wade's performances in the first round against Boston if you want to see a GARBAGE team.

Yea I think this not true. Cleveland' supporting cast is unfairly described as being bad. All these guys are solid contributors. Jamison on a winning team makes the all-star team and Mo Williams is borderline all-star even when played with Mil.

Mo Williams
Antwan Jamison
Illgasus/Shaq
Boobie
Varejo
Delonte West
JJ Hickson

Lebron's problem is he has no jumper. The ref's aren't letting him bulldoze people to get to the rim and he isnt as a good getting to the rim as Wade. The Cav's offense is predicated on Lebron penetrating and creating oppurtunites for his teammates.

Now Lebron wants to cry about how his teammates aren't stepping up. LOL. People seems to want to "relate" to him now but lets see what they say when Lebron throws Gallo and Chandler under the bus.

Zydrunas Ilgauskas has played a grand total of 20 minutes in this series. Are you even watching the games? You just listed Zydrunas as his third best teammate and he hasn't played since Game 1. Shaq is running on fumes - getting KILLED on the inside.

Mo Williams and Antwan Jamison have 1 20pt game apiece in this series and have been non-existant in the other games.

His supporting cast is awful.

You listed Boobie Gibson? Gibson has FIVE POINTS in the entire series. Are you serious? Tell me you're joking.

Look Knick fans have been pushing this idea that all the Cavs players are terrible but you have to realize that Mike Brown's gameplan centers around Lebron. Lebron is first, second, third, fourth option, and everyone just stands around.

If you take these players individually they aren't bad and as a matter of fact I think 1 through 5 starting 5 is better than the Knicks.

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5/12/2010  12:24 PM
Nalod wrote:Regular season winning 60 plus for two years builds expectations.

Lebron had a bad game and nobody steps up.

There is the regular season then there is the playoffs. Celts are battle tested vets were Cavs are not. Shaq is not in game shape. I saw him play at ATL in Decmeber and he was amazing. Now he labors.

I have heard the blame falls on team unity and Mike Brown got the rotation all wrong, Lebron is disappearing, and the team is garbage.

I think the Celts have come together and are healthy right now. They are a deeper team with experiance. Jamison has not much experience in the big game. Delote? Mo Williams? Parker? Non is A-list.

ESPN had a comment that Mike was almost a Sociopath in his desire to win. Lebron wants to please too many people but is not a big enough prick. Mike was a prick.

This is how you learn.

This is why I long have said Phil Jax does not get enough credit. He took Mike and made hm the stone cold killer. Same with Kobe. Shaq ws no killer, neither was Pippen. Great "wingmen" but not the leader. Lebron is having "fun". He is good enough to do that and succeed but to put a team on your back and have fun while doin it might not be a mutual occurance. I think its fun to win but at that level you have to crave it like you crave air! Throw anyone or anything under the bus to win.

Leborn don't have that yet. Very few do.

Im sorry dude, thats a poor excuse for the cavs, cause jamison was taking out 3 straight years by the cavs when he was with the wiz, shaq has 4 rings, the cavs have been right there the last 3 season, so im not sure what battle tested means in your eyes.

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5/12/2010  12:27 PM
You guys have inflated Jordan way to much in your head. Jordan had plenty of struggles vs. the Pistons and miserable shooting performances its just that time made you forget all the missing he did and most just remember the shots he made.
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5/12/2010  12:30 PM
Vmart wrote:You guys have inflated Jordan way to much in your head. Jordan had plenty of struggles vs. the Pistons and miserable shooting performances its just that time made you forget all the missing he did and most just remember the shots he made.

Excellent point.

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5/12/2010  12:34 PM
Vmart wrote:You guys have inflated Jordan way to much in your head. Jordan had plenty of struggles vs. the Pistons and miserable shooting performances its just that time made you forget all the missing he did and most just remember the shots he made.

6 Championships and 6 Finals MVP it's comical to even begin to compare Lebron to Jordan.

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5/12/2010  12:36 PM
knicks1248 wrote:How about giving the celtics some damn credit...Everybody is talking abut bron and his mates, what about ray stepping up, the absolute emergence of rondo, the steady play of kg, big baby, and tony allen, not to mention the celtics defense.

Like someone said, mike woodson deosn't have a clue, and hasn't been able to make the proper adjustment during the game.

Celtics might not have gotten past Chicago. This current Celtic team is old and is going to get swept by Orlando.

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5/12/2010  12:37 PM
bitty41 wrote:
Vmart wrote:You guys have inflated Jordan way to much in your head. Jordan had plenty of struggles vs. the Pistons and miserable shooting performances its just that time made you forget all the missing he did and most just remember the shots he made.

6 Championships and 6 Finals MVP it's comical to even begin to compare Lebron to Jordan.


LeBron James is just 25. Michael Jordan didn't win his first ring until he was 27.

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5/12/2010  12:43 PM
AnubisADL wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:How about giving the celtics some damn credit...Everybody is talking abut bron and his mates, what about ray stepping up, the absolute emergence of rondo, the steady play of kg, big baby, and tony allen, not to mention the celtics defense.

Like someone said, mike woodson deosn't have a clue, and hasn't been able to make the proper adjustment during the game.

Celtics might not have gotten past Chicago. This current Celtic team is old and is going to get swept by Orlando.

They won't get swept, but they won't win the series niether, orlando is too deep, have graet perimeter players' and the cavs have no chance against them either..

Boston maybe be old, but rondo isn't and the have 3 very smart players kg, paul and ray..
You could have a fast car, but if you have a dumb driver, your not winning any race's

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5/12/2010  12:46 PM
bitty41 wrote:
Vmart wrote:You guys have inflated Jordan way to much in your head. Jordan had plenty of struggles vs. the Pistons and miserable shooting performances its just that time made you forget all the missing he did and most just remember the shots he made.

6 Championships and 6 Finals MVP it's comical to even begin to compare Lebron to Jordan.

At what age did Jordan get his first championship? I bet it wasn't 25. It took Jordan a good 7-8 year in the league to make it to the finals and that too when he finally trusted his teammates. LeBron has no problem trusting his teammates but are the teammates that he currently has worthy of being trusted, I highly doubt that. Celtics would have clamped down on Jordan too and made his teammates beat them just like the way he beat the Pistons it was a team effort. No one man can carry a team its a fact he has to have a supporting cast.

As far as comparing Jordan to LeBron. You can't compare because LeBron is still playing when his playing days are over then one can compare to be fair to LeBron his story isn't completed yet. Its not fair to Jordan either to compare him to a player who is still playing.

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5/12/2010  12:47 PM
iSergio wrote:
bitty41 wrote:
Vmart wrote:You guys have inflated Jordan way to much in your head. Jordan had plenty of struggles vs. the Pistons and miserable shooting performances its just that time made you forget all the missing he did and most just remember the shots he made.

6 Championships and 6 Finals MVP it's comical to even begin to compare Lebron to Jordan.


LeBron James is just 25. Michael Jordan didn't win his first ring until he was 27.

Lebron entered the leauge two years earlier than Jordan so the age excuse is kind of over now. But I don't care how old Lebron is anyone comparing these two either have amnesia or have no knowledge of NBA basketball prior to 1998.

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5/12/2010  12:49 PM
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iSergio wrote:
bitty41 wrote:
Vmart wrote:You guys have inflated Jordan way to much in your head. Jordan had plenty of struggles vs. the Pistons and miserable shooting performances its just that time made you forget all the missing he did and most just remember the shots he made.

6 Championships and 6 Finals MVP it's comical to even begin to compare Lebron to Jordan.


LeBron James is just 25. Michael Jordan didn't win his first ring until he was 27.

Lebron entered the leauge two years earlier than Jordan so the age excuse is kind of over now. But I don't care how old Lebron is anyone comparing these two either have amnesia or have no knowledge of NBA basketball prior to 1998.

There will never be another Michael Jordan. But that's OK. LeBron James is still a GREAT player who WILL win a couple of rings before he's done.

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5/12/2010  12:49 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:How about giving the celtics some damn credit...Everybody is talking abut bron and his mates, what about ray stepping up, the absolute emergence of rondo, the steady play of kg, big baby, and tony allen, not to mention the celtics defense.

Like someone said, mike woodson deosn't have a clue, and hasn't been able to make the proper adjustment during the game.

Celtics might not have gotten past Chicago. This current Celtic team is old and is going to get swept by Orlando.

They won't get swept, but they won't win the series niether, orlando is too deep, have graet perimeter players' and the cavs have no chance against them either..

Boston maybe be old, but rondo isn't and the have 3 very smart players kg, paul and ray..
You could have a fast car, but if you have a dumb driver, your not winning any race's

Mo Williams didnt play D in Milwaukee and this is just a continuation for him. Rondo is going to get a reality check when he goes against the human eraser named Dwight Howard. Boston is getting swept by Orlando because they have no depth.

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5/12/2010  12:53 PM
Vmart wrote:
bitty41 wrote:
Vmart wrote:You guys have inflated Jordan way to much in your head. Jordan had plenty of struggles vs. the Pistons and miserable shooting performances its just that time made you forget all the missing he did and most just remember the shots he made.

6 Championships and 6 Finals MVP it's comical to even begin to compare Lebron to Jordan.

At what age did Jordan get his first championship? I bet it wasn't 25. It took Jordan a good 7-8 year in the league to make it to the finals and that too when he finally trusted his teammates. LeBron has no problem trusting his teammates but are the teammates that he currently has worthy of being trusted, I highly doubt that. Celtics would have clamped down on Jordan too and made his teammates beat them just like the way he beat the Pistons it was a team effort. No one man can carry a team its a fact he has to have a supporting cast.

As far as comparing Jordan to LeBron. You can't compare because LeBron is still playing when his playing days are over then one can compare to be fair to LeBron his story isn't completed yet. Its not fair to Jordan either to compare him to a player who is still playing.

Lebron has been in the league for 6 seasons so the age excuse needs to stop. I have to ask do you even remember Jordan the guy went against some of the toughest defensive teams ever in the NBA with the Pistons, Knicks, and to a lesser degree Celtics and Cavs. He ****ing dropped 63 points on the Celtics in the playoffs his second season in the NBA. Jordan's early teams may have gotten beat badly in the playoffs but there was never a question about his individual play.

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5/12/2010  1:00 PM
this is all part of the plan. lebron plans like ****, everyone says he can't win. if he can't win in cleveland, how's he gonna win in ny? lebron signs with the knicks wins championships, he's a god and the rest is history
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