LA has the combination of gasol, bynum, and Lamar, and the best perimeter player on the planet.

If any of you recalled, when ever we shot well from DT we won almost every single time..

sebstar wrote:

fishmike wrote:

According to HoopData.com, Gentry's Suns ranked 23rd in defensive efficiency (110.2) compared with D'Antoni's teams, which for his four seasons were 16th (106.8) on average.

Just so I get this right. You guys knock MDA because his teams dont defend. Then you praise Gentry's team because they defend. But MDAs teams were actually better defensively.

Good one.

Got it.

I dont know if this is directed at me or not, but I made it clear that I didnt think that Gentry has a better "defensive" mind. I'm convinced however that D'Antoni is of low character and doesnt breed mental toughness in his locker room.

it wasn't directed to you. but the text he sent me 5 mins ago calling you a "douchebag with no game" - that was directed at you.

sebstar wrote:

fishmike wrote:

According to HoopData.com, Gentry's Suns ranked 23rd in defensive efficiency (110.2) compared with D'Antoni's teams, which for his four seasons were 16th (106.8) on average.

Just so I get this right. You guys knock MDA because his teams dont defend. Then you praise Gentry's team because they defend. But MDAs teams were actually better defensively.

Good one.

Got it.

I dont know if this is directed at me or not, but I made it clear that I didnt think that Gentry has a better "defensive" mind. I'm convinced however that D'Antoni is of low character and doesnt breed mental toughness in his locker room.

Seb... what are you judging MDA on?

He's got 2 bodies of work. The Knicks and the Suns. One is great. One is poor. How you can say a guy doesnt breed mental toughness is pretty far out. Can that be bred at all? Do any coaches really do that? Does coaching a system based around offense make you weak?

Also MDA's Suns teams were always in the middle of the pack when it came to defense and rebounding. They were never in the bottom 3rd.

I suspect MDA treats defense like he treats effort. Your not supposed to have to coach that in the NBA. Clearly from player feedback the coaching stress isnt on defensive schemes, its on offensive schemes. Does that mean you dont have to play defense? I dont see the relationship.

I do think MDA wants skilled pros who understand the NBA. I certainly agree with anyone who says he's not a rebuild guy, although Chandler, Lee and Gallo certainly seemed to improve these last 2 years.

Camby was an average rebounder before joining the Knicks. A few years with JVG and he was an elite rebounder and has been since. I think JVG had a big influence there, and I MDA probably doesnt get that from Camby.
Nash was a very good player in Dallas. In 8 years he was a 2-time all star. When he played under MDA he went to the all star game every year and won two MVPs. Would JVG get that from Nash?

Every coach has strengths and weaknesses. MDA has his own set. He's a good coach though, and was brought here because stars have openly said they wanted to play for him and he's a proven winner when given talent to work with. Let see what happens with talent to work with.

fishmike wrote:

sebstar wrote:

fishmike wrote:

According to HoopData.com, Gentry's Suns ranked 23rd in defensive efficiency (110.2) compared with D'Antoni's teams, which for his four seasons were 16th (106.8) on average.

Just so I get this right. You guys knock MDA because his teams dont defend. Then you praise Gentry's team because they defend. But MDAs teams were actually better defensively.

Good one.

Got it.

I dont know if this is directed at me or not, but I made it clear that I didnt think that Gentry has a better "defensive" mind. I'm convinced however that D'Antoni is of low character and doesnt breed mental toughness in his locker room.

seb.. it was just a point.

Seb... what are you judging MDA on?

He's got 2 bodies of work. The Knicks and the Suns. One is great. One is poor. How you can say a guy doesnt breed mental toughness is pretty far out. Can that be bred at all? Do any coaches really do that? Does coaching a system based around offense make you weak?

Also MDA's Suns teams were always in the middle of the pack when it came to defense and rebounding. They were never in the bottom 3rd.

I suspect MDA treats defense like he treats effort. Your not supposed to have to coach that in the NBA. Clearly from player feedback the coaching stress isnt on defensive schemes, its on offensive schemes. Does that mean you dont have to play defense? I dont see the relationship.

I do think MDA wants skilled pros who understand the NBA. I certainly agree with anyone who says he's not a rebuild guy, although Chandler, Lee and Gallo certainly seemed to improve these last 2 years.

Camby was an average rebounder before joining the Knicks. A few years with JVG and he was an elite rebounder and has been since. I think JVG had a big influence there, and I MDA probably doesnt get that from Camby.
Nash was a very good player in Dallas. In 8 years he was a 2-time all star. When he played under MDA he went to the all star game every year and won two MVPs. Would JVG get that from Nash?

Every coach has strengths and weaknesses. MDA has his own set. He's a good coach though, and was brought here because stars have openly said they wanted to play for him and he's a proven winner when given talent to work with. Let see what happens with talent to work with.

dont forget denver!!!

would players have said they wouldnt want to play for him? i think that was more pc speak then actual desire. kinda like how players arent gonna trash others at the olympics unless its chuck doing it to angolans.

Nalod wrote:
He has not had the players here to win, nor has he bashed any of the youth. He has been outspoken about Nate, Marbury and Darko. Dlee, Gallo, TD and Hill he never spoke ill about.

Wrong. He took a major cheap shot at Jordan Hill.

Larry said things about Reezy. Maybe it woke his ass up and made him a better player. Larry has no patience at all and wants the best players NOW. Larry was wrong for the knicks. But Larry is a diva.

fishmike wrote:

sebstar wrote:I have been extremely underwhelmed by D'Antoni's approach to dealing with players. Talk about this past years squad all you want, but his treatment of players and the potshots he has taken at guys has proven a complete lack of professionalism. He's not without talent, but he comes across as a clown far too often.

Take this latest piece. He could have simply given credit to the current players and regime and kept it movin', but he couldnt resist to pat himself on the back and put the focus on him and his "brilliance." First of all, its completely unwarranted given that he's hasnt been in Phoenix in a minute and second who the fukk is he? What has he accomplished to be talking and acting like he does all the time.

Seb I just dont really see it that way. I think its fair for him to point to that series and say his style of play can win. He wasnt taking credit for anything they did. He said he believed his style of play could win a title, and beating the Spurs was a good step. He said he thought the Suns could beat the Lakers. I hope they do.

When people detract from your style of play and your former team running that system wins a big playoff series to advance to the WCF whats wrong with saying hey, it looks pretty good now doesnt it?

As for his handling of players I think what you say is fair. Clearly he has *his* guys and if your one of them your allowed to work through your issues and you play every night. If your not one your going to go in and out of the rotation until he figures out if he likes what he sees.

In: Lee, Chandler, Gallo, Duhon, House, JJ, Al, Walker
Out: Curry, Hughes, Hill, Nate, Darko
on the fence or just apathetic: Douglas, Sergio

Seb, there are times MDA should have shut up. He engages the press, and probably too much. Does it make him a clown? Does it mean he cant coach? I'm not going to let a pissed off Eddy Curry, Larry Hughes or Jordan Hill convince me this guy cant coach.

I'm with you. He turns it around next year and I'm good. I have nothing personal against him like that. But so far I think he's sucked in a number of areas. Just calling it like I see it.

Andrew wrote:

K22 wrote:

The Dolan family owns controlling interests in the Knicks, MSG and Cablevision. Cablevision owns Newsday.

*sigh* Shame Hahn is forced to stick this byline in everything he writes.

Why? It's pretty standard journalistic practice. Most likely he doesn't even put it in, an editor does.

No big deal, just a truth in reporting type of reminder.

sebstar wrote:

fishmike wrote:

sebstar wrote:I have been extremely underwhelmed by D'Antoni's approach to dealing with players. Talk about this past years squad all you want, but his treatment of players and the potshots he has taken at guys has proven a complete lack of professionalism. He's not without talent, but he comes across as a clown far too often.

Take this latest piece. He could have simply given credit to the current players and regime and kept it movin', but he couldnt resist to pat himself on the back and put the focus on him and his "brilliance." First of all, its completely unwarranted given that he's hasnt been in Phoenix in a minute and second who the fukk is he? What has he accomplished to be talking and acting like he does all the time.

Seb I just dont really see it that way. I think its fair for him to point to that series and say his style of play can win. He wasnt taking credit for anything they did. He said he believed his style of play could win a title, and beating the Spurs was a good step. He said he thought the Suns could beat the Lakers. I hope they do.

When people detract from your style of play and your former team running that system wins a big playoff series to advance to the WCF whats wrong with saying hey, it looks pretty good now doesnt it?

As for his handling of players I think what you say is fair. Clearly he has *his* guys and if your one of them your allowed to work through your issues and you play every night. If your not one your going to go in and out of the rotation until he figures out if he likes what he sees.

In: Lee, Chandler, Gallo, Duhon, House, JJ, Al, Walker
Out: Curry, Hughes, Hill, Nate, Darko
on the fence or just apathetic: Douglas, Sergio

Seb, there are times MDA should have shut up. He engages the press, and probably too much. Does it make him a clown? Does it mean he cant coach? I'm not going to let a pissed off Eddy Curry, Larry Hughes or Jordan Hill convince me this guy cant coach.

I'm with you. He turns it around next year and I'm good. I have nothing personal against him like that. But so far I think he's sucked in a number of areas. Just calling it like I see it.