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fishmike
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5/10/2010  9:32 AM
AnubisADL wrote:Do people realize how bad Rondo would look on this team?

- No Jumper
- Bad free throw shooter
- suspect PG skills up until 2 yrs ago

Seriously the guy would have been traded a LONG time ago just like Channing Frye was.

maybe in his rookie year. He was a college winner, an elite defender and had an elite wingspan and quickness.

All Boston did was be patient. You look at his 6ppg and 41% shooting his rookie year and guys around here would be crying dump him. Now he's an elite PG in this league 4 years later.

Its why if you going to draft players you have to be patient and dedicated to player development.

If you want to draft a player like Rondo your not going to know you have him when you draft him. I bet Toney Douglas looked more impressive this year than Rondo did his rookie season. He's certainly shown more skills

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5/10/2010  9:34 AM
AnubisADL wrote:Do people realize how bad Rondo would look on this team?

- No Jumper
- Bad free throw shooter
- suspect PG skills up until 2 yrs ago

Seriously the guy would have been traded a LONG time ago just like Channing Frye was.

Unfortunately you are correct. Makes me wonder about Hill even more so...
I haven't seen him play much. Is he that good or is it those all stars around him in part?

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5/10/2010  9:38 AM
This is why I don't want to spend too much money on a PG this summer - let Toney Douglas develop. Sign a vet like Steve Blake to back him up. Douglas has the skills to be a good PG in this league.
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5/10/2010  10:01 AM
Had that Marbury fella here, Larry would have ran Rondo out of here, and Isiah would have traded him long ago in some starphuch move.

Rondo never would have had a playoff game like he did yesterday. Never would have made playoffs.

Playing with good players makes you better.

As Briggs said, "ouch" but thats about it.

I "get" what Layden was trying to do but it didn't work. History is what it is. Can't change it.

Moving Reed over to center from the PF and trading Bellamy was met with its critics. IT worked out. Dice didn't.

We moving on and the train is leaving the station.

Im rooting for the Celts. Do we want lebron dejected or motivated to come back?

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5/10/2010  10:13 AM
Nalod wrote:Had that Marbury fella here, Larry would have ran Rondo out of here, and Isiah would have traded him long ago in some starphuch move.

Rondo never would have had a playoff game like he did yesterday. Never would have made playoffs.

Playing with good players makes you better.

As Briggs said, "ouch" but thats about it.

I "get" what Layden was trying to do but it didn't work. History is what it is. Can't change it.

Moving Reed over to center from the PF and trading Bellamy was met with its critics. IT worked out. Dice didn't.

We moving on and the train is leaving the station.

Im rooting for the Celts. Do we want lebron dejected or motivated to come back?

Larry was gone by the Rondo draft.

But I do think Rondo's development was helped a lot by having the Big Three around him.

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BRIGGS
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5/10/2010  10:19 AM
I don't mind that we drafted Balkman---I have no problem with it. I think that every team should have 1-2 intangible/energy players--especially the Knicks because we dont have one. My problem there is you draft players like that with round 2 picks. I remember IT saying another team[actually it was pheonix and MDA i believe] was going to take Balkman and then MDA said they had not even thought about Balkman.

I really hope the Knicks take Marques Blakely with pick 39--I think he has upside that Balkman did not. We could use a defensive specialist/energy player off the bench and this guy is good at opportunistic points+ rebounding as well. This is the kind of guy a team makes runs with off the bench.

I do NOT think we are getting pick 24--I think Atlanta will keep it. I would like to get two guards who have the ability to take you off the dribble shoot and can handle very well. Phoenix has several of these types. But we cant continue to discount defense and intangibles either. I think one defensive orientated player like Blakely and one guard who is 6-3+ who has speed can dribble pen shoot and and handle


if we didnt play J Hill--were not getting a big at 38-39 thats getting floor time. Id go with the best athlete in the draft who really produced and a 6-3+ guard--there are several of them--so the best one who falls.

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5/10/2010  1:47 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/10/2010  1:51 PM
Marv wrote:I just got finished last week shooting down someone’s contention that layden would have been a success IF ONLY he hadn’t had “bad luck” on the mcdyess trade – totally ignoring the eisleys, shandersons, erik stricklands, etc. - in addition to the mcdyess-camby-nene deal through which layden hung himself.

Now I’m hearing that that zeke would have been a success if ONLY he hadn’t committed the particular blunders of the eddy curry, balkman and channing frye deals – which were cluster-fks enough themselves –but leaving out the dozen other stupid-ass personnel, management and fiscal moves he made that contributed to his writing his own ticket the hell out of here- i call bs.

You mean to tell me you wouldnt go to war with a Rondo/Bynum/Chandler/Lee nucleus? The hell is wrong with you? You need to take your Dockers wearin', penny loafer sporting ass over to the nearest bar on your lunch break and order one of your pink cosmos or AppleTini's so you can chill the fukk out.

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sebstar
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5/10/2010  1:48 PM
BRIGGS wrote:I don't mind that we drafted Balkman---I have no problem with it.

Balkman wasnt going anywhere. Draft Rondo first then Balkman later. Wasnt that the same draft we got Mardy Collins?

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Marv
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5/10/2010  1:52 PM
sebstar wrote:
Marv wrote:I just got finished last week shooting down someone’s contention that layden would have been a success IF ONLY he hadn’t had “bad luck” on the mcdyess trade – totally ignoring the eisleys, shandersons, erik stricklands, etc. - in addition to the mcdyess-camby-nene deal through which layden hung himself.

Now I’m hearing that that zeke would have been a success if ONLY he hadn’t committed the particular blunders of the eddy curry, balkman and channing frye deals – which were cluster-fks enough themselves –but leaving out the dozen other stupid-ass personnel, management and fiscal moves he made that contributed to his writing his own ticket the hell out of here- i call bs.

You mean to tell me you wouldnt go to war with a Rondo/Bynum/Chandler/Lee nucleus? The hell is wrong with you? You need to take your Dockers wearin', penny loafer sporting ass over to the nearest bar on your lunch break and order one of your pink cosmos or AppleTini's so you can chill the fukk out.

first time you've made sense in this thread

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5/10/2010  1:54 PM
Sebstar, as far as I remember, the Steve Franchise deal was an absolute killer. However, that deal was one of many, so it's no worse and better than any of the other ones. Marbury, Randolph, Curry, Francis, drafting Frye, James, drafting Balkman over Rondo when you could have gotton him with a 2nd round pick you could easily buy.

Those are just SOME of his bad basketball players decisions and ONLY those. Then there's all of the other crap.

He was an outrageous executive with or without those 2 deals you mentioned sebstar.

“Whenever I’m about to do something, I think ‘Would an idiot do that?’ and if they would, I do NOT do that thing.”- Dwight Schrute
sebstar
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5/10/2010  1:59 PM
Paladin55 wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:Do people realize how bad Rondo would look on this team?

- No Jumper
- Bad free throw shooter
- suspect PG skills up until 2 yrs ago

Seriously the guy would have been traded a LONG time ago just like Channing Frye was.

Took some time to develop, and yes, his shooting can be frustrating to watch, but to me he is one of those intangible players, who has developed into a winner.

In his case, the "whole is greater than the sup of its parts."

I did not really consider him the year he was drafted, but you have to say that he has done a bit better than some expected from him.

No??

He would have been Marbury's backup until he was ready -- like Mardy Collins was supposed to be.

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5/10/2010  2:01 PM
He was able to develope because of the presence of KG, Jesus, The Truth and DOC........... Remove that core and you have TJ Ford.........
sebstar
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5/10/2010  2:01 PM
Allanfan20 wrote:Sebstar, as far as I remember, the Steve Franchise deal was an absolute killer. However, that deal was one of many, so it's no worse and better than any of the other ones. Marbury, Randolph, Curry, Francis, drafting Frye, James, drafting Balkman over Rondo when you could have gotton him with a 2nd round pick you could easily buy.

Those are just SOME of his bad basketball players decisions and ONLY those. Then there's all of the other crap.

He was an outrageous executive with or without those 2 deals you mentioned sebstar.

That Francis deal was Larry Brown. He hated Ariza and loved Francis. Randolph was obviously a good trade, he was just a bad fit at the time.

Drafting Bynum and Rondo would have given us a wealth of talent at the most important positions. Center and PG.

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CHAOS
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5/10/2010  2:03 PM
Bynum is the 2nd most injury prone center in the league next to Olden...... He has never played a full season or playoff series without sitting out...............
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5/10/2010  2:06 PM
He does need to drink more milk, with his brittle boned ass. But a bynum at 75% would still do work in the east.
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AnubisADL
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5/10/2010  2:09 PM
CHAOS wrote:He was able to develope because of the presence of KG, Jesus, The Truth and DOC........... Remove that core and you have TJ Ford.........

I was going to compare him to TJ Ford but Rondo actually plays defense.

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5/10/2010  2:13 PM
Hey don't feel so bad Phx(D'AnToni) actually selected Rondo then traded him to Boston for Cleveland's 2007 first rounder, then picked Rudy Fernandez in 2007 and traded him to Portland for cash....

ROTFLOL!

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5/11/2010  9:09 AM
crzymdups wrote:
Nalod wrote:Had that Marbury fella here, Larry would have ran Rondo out of here, and Isiah would have traded him long ago in some starphuch move.

Rondo never would have had a playoff game like he did yesterday. Never would have made playoffs.

Playing with good players makes you better.

As Briggs said, "ouch" but thats about it.

I "get" what Layden was trying to do but it didn't work. History is what it is. Can't change it.

Moving Reed over to center from the PF and trading Bellamy was met with its critics. IT worked out. Dice didn't.

We moving on and the train is leaving the station.

Im rooting for the Celts. Do we want lebron dejected or motivated to come back?

Larry was gone by the Rondo draft.

But I do think Rondo's development was helped a lot by having the Big Three around him.


Best comment of truth today ^ The big three has a way of making you stop playing foolish if you want to be on the court with them.

JAMES DOLAN on Isiah : He's a good friend of mine and of the organization and I will continue to solicit his views. He will always have strong ties to me and the team.
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5/11/2010  9:13 AM
playa2 wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
Nalod wrote:Had that Marbury fella here, Larry would have ran Rondo out of here, and Isiah would have traded him long ago in some starphuch move.

Rondo never would have had a playoff game like he did yesterday. Never would have made playoffs.

Playing with good players makes you better.

As Briggs said, "ouch" but thats about it.

I "get" what Layden was trying to do but it didn't work. History is what it is. Can't change it.

Moving Reed over to center from the PF and trading Bellamy was met with its critics. IT worked out. Dice didn't.

We moving on and the train is leaving the station.

Im rooting for the Celts. Do we want lebron dejected or motivated to come back?

Larry was gone by the Rondo draft.

But I do think Rondo's development was helped a lot by having the Big Three around him.


Best comment of truth today ^ The big three has a way of making you stop playing foolish if you want to be on the court with them.

Maybe they'll beat some discipline into Nate

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5/11/2010  10:22 AM
Cmon no one was sweating rondo back then, and with marbury the squad onlong with JC, how do draft another PG.

I dont see how anyone could question IT's drafting history, you could get on him about a bunch of other ridiculous moves his made, but drafting is not one of them...No scout, gm , coach, or fan is going to nail it on the nose every single time when it comes to drafting..NOT EVEN BRIGGS

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