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5/9/2010  2:11 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/9/2010  2:40 PM
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5/9/2010  2:15 PM
Whether one thinks Walsh is a great GM or not, you pretty much have to give him a fail on the Jennings whole scenario and how it was handled. I just hope he learned from it.
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5/9/2010  2:25 PM
I don't expect he'll let a player slip by him again. I like Jennings but I'm not in love with his game overall. TD may eventually be better for our needs cuz of his great defense and I think he can be a great scorer too. DW has to get some credit for that pick too.
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5/9/2010  2:36 PM
nixluva wrote:I don't expect he'll let a player slip by him again. I like Jennings but I'm not in love with his game overall. TD may eventually be better for our needs cuz of his great defense and I think he can be a great scorer too. DW has to get some credit for that pick too.

Why would you offer credit when the GM's coaching staff didn't feel the player he drafted was ready enough to play for most of the season. And his coaching staff basically killed the lottery selection calling him a bad rookie? So either the GM deserves credit for great picks and his coaches were lousy or not even great coaching could hide lousy work the GM did in making these selections. Nix, you may have to dig hard to come up with something positive to spin.

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5/9/2010  3:13 PM
I remember an article from earlier in the year that said the Knicks might be interested in Pete Mickeal too
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5/9/2010  3:39 PM
SupremeCommander wrote:I remember an article from earlier in the year that said the Knicks might be interested in Pete Mickeal too

kleiza and childress are both substantial levels up from pete mickeal. kleiza and childress have been rotation guys on solid playoff teams.

besides, i read that article and it was written by pete mickeal for hoopshype.

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5/9/2010  5:05 PM
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SupremeCommander wrote:I remember an article from earlier in the year that said the Knicks might be interested in Pete Mickeal too

kleiza and childress are both substantial levels up from pete mickeal. kleiza and childress have been rotation guys on solid playoff teams.

besides, i read that article and it was written by pete mickeal for hoopshype.

didn't say they weren't... Pete Mickeal wouldn't be a horrible 7th or 8th guy in the rotation though.

as for the article, well, that would explain it

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5/9/2010  8:39 PM
AnubisADL wrote:
martin wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
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Pharzeone wrote:Too bad he didn't take time last year to scout the finals. Could have found out who Jennings was. Just saying.

What's West up to these days I wonder?

Walsh did. And Jennings didn't play much. And then he went over for the showcase tourney and Jennings pulled out of that at the very last minute. Knicks also had the kid in more than once (if my recollection is true).

What can you do, Jennings didn't impress.

How do you know this? Seems Knicks were fascinated with anyone with a jump shot.

cause that's exactly what Walsh said in the newspapers.

Walsh didnt make any comments about draft picks before the draft. He commented after the draft.

Jennings only critique during workouts with teams was his erratic jumper. Plus the Knicks were in love with Stephen Curry. Jennings made note of this is one of his quotes.

Walsh also stated he did not know enough about Jennings right before the draft. Umm the guy was the number 1 prospect coming out of highschool.


How much could Walsh have known about Gallo?

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5/9/2010  8:50 PM
franco12 wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
martin wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
martin wrote:
Pharzeone wrote:Too bad he didn't take time last year to scout the finals. Could have found out who Jennings was. Just saying.

What's West up to these days I wonder?

Walsh did. And Jennings didn't play much. And then he went over for the showcase tourney and Jennings pulled out of that at the very last minute. Knicks also had the kid in more than once (if my recollection is true).

What can you do, Jennings didn't impress.

How do you know this? Seems Knicks were fascinated with anyone with a jump shot.

cause that's exactly what Walsh said in the newspapers.

Walsh didnt make any comments about draft picks before the draft. He commented after the draft.

Jennings only critique during workouts with teams was his erratic jumper. Plus the Knicks were in love with Stephen Curry. Jennings made note of this is one of his quotes.

Walsh also stated he did not know enough about Jennings right before the draft. Umm the guy was the number 1 prospect coming out of highschool.


How much could Walsh have known about Gallo?

On Gallo, he basically said that he relied on Isiah in-game scouting of Gallo to make the selection because he trust his eye. Not sure if Donnie has that much confidence in his scouts. That's why I get on him for not going to Rome himself when Isiah was out of the organization.

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5/10/2010  8:54 AM
Pharzeone wrote:
franco12 wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
martin wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
martin wrote:
Pharzeone wrote:Too bad he didn't take time last year to scout the finals. Could have found out who Jennings was. Just saying.

What's West up to these days I wonder?

Walsh did. And Jennings didn't play much. And then he went over for the showcase tourney and Jennings pulled out of that at the very last minute. Knicks also had the kid in more than once (if my recollection is true).

What can you do, Jennings didn't impress.

How do you know this? Seems Knicks were fascinated with anyone with a jump shot.

cause that's exactly what Walsh said in the newspapers.

Walsh didnt make any comments about draft picks before the draft. He commented after the draft.

Jennings only critique during workouts with teams was his erratic jumper. Plus the Knicks were in love with Stephen Curry. Jennings made note of this is one of his quotes.

Walsh also stated he did not know enough about Jennings right before the draft. Umm the guy was the number 1 prospect coming out of highschool.


How much could Walsh have known about Gallo?

On Gallo, he basically said that he relied on Isiah in-game scouting of Gallo to make the selection because he trust his eye. Not sure if Donnie has that much confidence in his scouts. That's why I get on him for not going to Rome himself when Isiah was out of the organization.

So Walsh can't even take credit for Gallo?

And all he really has to show for the draft which he emphasized was critical was TD who his coach doesn't even seem to like?

No wonder Walsh wants to build through FA!

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5/10/2010  10:07 AM
Gallo was well scouted, MDA had a good handle on the kid (incest) and it was a solid pick.

DW is playing personal games with Jennings using it to get more money from dolan to hire scouts.

Lots of teams got Jennings wrong. ANd Milwaukee is a decent team. Jennings on the knicks would have ridden the pine most of the year.

Luck will find us again.

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5/10/2010  11:30 AM
nixluva wrote:I don't expect he'll let a player slip by him again. I like Jennings but I'm not in love with his game overall. TD may eventually be better for our needs cuz of his great defense and I think he can be a great scorer too. DW has to get some credit for that pick too.

TD is not going to be a better PG than Jennings. Even I am not drinking that much koolaid. TD is a solid 3rd guard and I like his ability to produce in the 4th quarter, but he would have to make a Billups-type leap to turn into a better PG than Jennings.

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5/10/2010  11:32 AM
Nalod wrote:Gallo was well scouted, MDA had a good handle on the kid (incest) and it was a solid pick.

DW is playing personal games with Jennings using it to get more money from dolan to hire scouts.

Lots of teams got Jennings wrong. ANd Milwaukee is a decent team. Jennings on the knicks would have ridden the pine most of the year.

Luck will find us again.

I doubt Jennings would have rode the pine. Scott Skiles is not exactly a fan of playing young guys, but he saw Jennings talent and let the kid play. Jennings would have outshined Duhon by the end of preseason and unlike TD, Jennings has actually PG instincts. I think he would have been rookie of the year if he played here.

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5/10/2010  11:49 AM
AnubisADL wrote:Please say no to Kleiza and Childress. More role playing SF's. Both a RESTRICTED FA's therefore we'd have to overpay for them.

Hopefully, looking at them is more of a smoke screen to reduce Kahn's hypertension re: Rubio. He's our real target, and it's safe to say we are going to have to part with Chandler to get it done. That's fine with me. I have been calling for a Wil for Rubio deal from the get go.

Rubio needs to be on this team. Minny has a mini-stud in Flynn, they might get Wall (long shot) and they really don't need to waste Ricky's special skills in the triangle offense. He is a natural fit for MDAs system, so let's PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE get this done.

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5/10/2010  11:53 AM
Moonangie wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:Please say no to Kleiza and Childress. More role playing SF's. Both a RESTRICTED FA's therefore we'd have to overpay for them.

Hopefully, looking at them is more of a smoke screen to reduce Kahn's hypertension re: Rubio. He's our real target, and it's safe to say we are going to have to part with Chandler to get it done. That's fine with me. I have been calling for a Wil for Rubio deal from the get go.

Rubio needs to be on this team. Minny has a mini-stud in Flynn, they might get Wall (long shot) and they really don't need to waste Ricky's special skills in the triangle offense. He is a natural fit for MDAs system, so let's PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE get this done.

Kahn has ZERO incentive to give away Rubio for Chandler. They have multiple picks this year so a SF is not a need for them.

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5/10/2010  12:00 PM
AnubisADL wrote:Please say no to Kleiza and Childress. More role playing SF's. Both a RESTRICTED FA's therefore we'd have to overpay for them.

Really no need to overpay for either of them. Make a reasonable offer and if their teams match..then their teams match right?

I wouldn't mind signing one of these guys if we can't get who we want vs maxing out boozer..

Let's try to elevate the level of discourse in this byeetch. Please
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5/10/2010  3:35 PM
AnubisADL wrote:
Moonangie wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:Please say no to Kleiza and Childress. More role playing SF's. Both a RESTRICTED FA's therefore we'd have to overpay for them.

Hopefully, looking at them is more of a smoke screen to reduce Kahn's hypertension re: Rubio. He's our real target, and it's safe to say we are going to have to part with Chandler to get it done. That's fine with me. I have been calling for a Wil for Rubio deal from the get go.

Rubio needs to be on this team. Minny has a mini-stud in Flynn, they might get Wall (long shot) and they really don't need to waste Ricky's special skills in the triangle offense. He is a natural fit for MDAs system, so let's PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE get this done.

Kahn has ZERO incentive to give away Rubio for Chandler. They have multiple picks this year so a SF is not a need for them.

if we had ownership of our lottery pick next year we could have offered Kahn a deal that might be more appealing for Rubio... oh well.

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5/10/2010  4:36 PM
Kahn has a problem. His asset is growing and the kid can opt out to play in the NBA. Don't know if he can renegotiate with other euro team.

Rickey is winning, making big money. In fact might have to take a pay cut to play in NBA.

Even if Minny is championship caliber, does he want to play in Minny? He is killing it in Barcelona and Barcelona is freaking awsome!

Gotta give this kid a reason to leave. His rookie wage will be a problem as he can make more and more in Europe.

I don't think we have enough to get him at this point.

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5/10/2010  5:54 PM
Nalod wrote:Gallo was well scouted, MDA had a good handle on the kid (incest) and it was a solid pick.

DW is playing personal games with Jennings using it to get more money from dolan to hire scouts.

Lots of teams got Jennings wrong. ANd Milwaukee is a decent team. Jennings on the knicks would have ridden the pine most of the year.

Luck will find us again.

How can you claim that Gallo was well scouted when both the coach and GM said that they knew little of his game other than Wilson praise of him. Isiah liked him and Walsh sent him overseas for his personal in-game analysis. MDA claimed ignorance of the kid's game other than a few tapes. He went out of his way on 2008 draft night to say as much as say that the Knicks scouts liked him and spoke about Isiah like of him. Walsh said he relied on Isiah's scouting for in-games of Gallo's game as his deciding factor.

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5/10/2010  6:07 PM
Nalod wrote:Kahn has a problem. His asset is growing and the kid can opt out to play in the NBA. Don't know if he can renegotiate with other euro team.

Rickey is winning, making big money. In fact might have to take a pay cut to play in NBA.

Even if Minny is championship caliber, does he want to play in Minny? He is killing it in Barcelona and Barcelona is freaking awsome!

Gotta give this kid a reason to leave. His rookie wage will be a problem as he can make more and more in Europe.

I don't think we have enough to get him at this point.

His agent stated this as the sole reason for Rubio's decision. He said playing in Minny was never a problem but the rookie scale was a huge one. And he isn't the only one. Stern went from one extreme with the likes of Big Dog asking for a $100 million to another with many guys being played less than their fair MV. One of the items that Hunter says he plans to address in the new CBA negotiations that Stern claims not to be on the table. IMO there should be salary adjustment at the end of the year similar to MLB arbitration.

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Walsh is in Europe - looking at Kleiza and Childress... and Rubio...

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