The Cavs are a 30 win team without Lebron. Mo Williams, AJ the who team wilts under pressure and can't hit a big shot. The games we lose be 5-10 points are wins when you have a player like Wade or Lebron. Look at the Heat take Wade off that team they win 16 games. With Wade you can nearly 25-30 games.

It's a very easy game when someone is doubled nearly every position and your job is to dunk a ball or hit an open jump shot.

If you watched the All-Star game there were four players that stood out. Wade, Kobe, Lebron and Bosh.

You have zero idea what you are talking about. Couldn't outplay the bench scrubs on teams playing right now. Boston's bench sucks, the Hawks bench is garbage, the Lakers have one player on their bench. Gallo was dominating at the end of the season and chandler more than held his own. Douglas played well all season long and was bench for no reason at all.

franco12 wrote:

MS wrote:The Knicks really aren't that far away and that's something thats very hard to see. Teams go through lulls all the team and what seperates us from being great is that player that all the scared little cavs shovel the ball t when the games on the line.

And in regards to the Lakers

David Lee vs LA

31pts 17rbs 4ass
13pts 7rbs 2ass

Add a Star and another solid defender to go with the exact same team and you would be shocked. Gallo, Chandler, Lee, Douglas is nothing to sneeze at.

And Eddy will play and play well this season. His life is over without another contract don't underestimate that. I don't like the guy and know we can't count on him.

No- we're not that far away. We've been a 30 win team now for ten years, haven't really ever added any talent through the draft and added parts that were miscast and unwanted by the team that traded them to us.

Please, we are so far away. Lebron added to this roster may get us into the 40's for win totals - maybe even 48/49.

But we'll still be a long way from being a final 8 team for the NBA, let alone finalist and champion.

Even adding Lebron and Bosh, how much better is Bosh than lets say Lee & Harrington?

Be honest with yourself. All the players we're keeping - Chandler, Gallo, Douglas- they couldn't outplay any of the bench scrubs on the teams playing right now.

And where are you finding five starters?

we lost because we were too easy to defend in close games. We had no closer. How many times did the other team's star player make big shots and we had no answer? We got no easy baskets.

Knicks finally have some solid rotation players to build around. Douglas, Lee, Gallo and Chandler all have good size, good skill, shoot a high % and play on both ends. Before you kill Lee on that point remember the guy got 12 boards a game. That counts for something.

I really hope we can add a stud to that squad.

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:D'Antoni didn't play any of the big men that Walsh acquired except for Bender and Barron so I think the coach needs to be committed to whomever is brought in. It makes sense to get a center because it is something the team needs but if the coach isn't going to play him anyway I wouldn't make it a priority.

MDA is gonna play a good player no matter how tall he is!!! Darko acted like he didn't wanna be here or understand what he should be doing. MDA had no problem playing Barron cuz he busted it from day one. He's gonna play the guys we bring in.

Kurt Rambis is a better coach than MDA- he got production out of Darko.

We needed what he gave Minny.

How come MDA couldn't get anything out of him?

MDA gave up.

If Darko had worked out, we'd be talking about being able to at least slot him in at the 5- solid but not flashy.

Who is our center next year? David Lee? Bosh?

Darko may be garbage, but at least he is a real center.

fishmike wrote:

franco12 wrote:

MS wrote:The Knicks really aren't that far away and that's something thats very hard to see. Teams go through lulls all the team and what seperates us from being great is that player that all the scared little cavs shovel the ball t when the games on the line.

And in regards to the Lakers

David Lee vs LA

31pts 17rbs 4ass
13pts 7rbs 2ass

Add a Star and another solid defender to go with the exact same team and you would be shocked. Gallo, Chandler, Lee, Douglas is nothing to sneeze at.

And Eddy will play and play well this season. His life is over without another contract don't underestimate that. I don't like the guy and know we can't count on him.

No- we're not that far away. We've been a 30 win team now for ten years, haven't really ever added any talent through the draft and added parts that were miscast and unwanted by the team that traded them to us.

Please, we are so far away. Lebron added to this roster may get us into the 40's for win totals - maybe even 48/49.

But we'll still be a long way from being a final 8 team for the NBA, let alone finalist and champion.

Even adding Lebron and Bosh, how much better is Bosh than lets say Lee & Harrington?

Be honest with yourself. All the players we're keeping - Chandler, Gallo, Douglas- they couldn't outplay any of the bench scrubs on the teams playing right now.

And where are you finding five starters?

gotta go w/ MS on this. Knicks are an easy 50 win team w/ Lebron. Easy.

we lost because we were too easy to defend in close games. We had no closer. How many times did the other team's star player make big shots and we had no answer? We got no easy baskets.

Knicks finally have some solid rotation players to build around. Douglas, Lee, Gallo and Chandler all have good size, good skill, shoot a high % and play on both ends. Before you kill Lee on that point remember the guy got 12 boards a game. That counts for something.

I really hope we can add a stud to that squad.

Thought about this for a while.

Couple things.

We lost a ton of games because we played swiss cheese defense and were down 20 in the first quarter.

Lebron would help- his presence and stardom would demand accountability on defense. Heck, MDA might actually start to spend some time focusing on defense.

But where and how is our defense improving?

Miami with Wade won 47 games this year. Is our potential supporting cast as good as Miami's? I'm not to sure.

Yes, Lebron is better than Wade.

Hey- I hope we get a chance to find out. I really hope we're able to add Lebron.

I just think even if we do, its going to take a while to add talent around him. Yes, we have some good parts. But I think we overrate our parts.

Loconixfan wrote:I know I'll be ridiculed for even mentioning his name but if eddy curry comes tocamp healthy next year then he'll get a shot. I think a lean curry is a legit center. He's not a defensive guy but he can score I mean if Perkins is enough for Boston to win one then curry should do fine...if his legs hold up

Papabear Says

D'antonio don't beleive in centers who can't hit a 3. He just believe in match point who can score the most points run and gun.

nixluva wrote:Franco12 can we allow the young guys we have to fully mature? Gallo, Chan n TD are still improving and haven't peaked yet. It could be that we'll see them blossom this year. They've only shown improvement with time so far.
Besides we still don't know what else DW is gonna add to the roster this summer. He could pull off a deal that pushes the team much higher than we expect. Anything is possible at this point.

Papabear Says
Please! I've been hearing that for 35 years as a knicks fan. Just wait another year or 2 or 3 or 4. It's now or never. Go tell Lebron to just wait 3 or 4 more years. He will be another Patrick Ewing.

martin wrote:

Papabear wrote:

Loconixfan wrote:I know I'll be ridiculed for even mentioning his name but if eddy curry comes tocamp healthy next year then he'll get a shot. I think a lean curry is a legit center. He's not a defensive guy but he can score I mean if Perkins is enough for Boston to win one then curry should do fine...if his legs hold up

Papabear Says

D'antonio don't beleive in centers who can't hit a 3. He just believe in match point who can score the most points run and gun.

that's crap

Papabear Says

No it's the truth. D'Antoni is the wrong coach for the Knicks. The Knicks had a rep for being tough, Now the are softies, can't defend, and no height, and no center.

Papabear wrote:

martin wrote:

Papabear wrote:

Loconixfan wrote:I know I'll be ridiculed for even mentioning his name but if eddy curry comes tocamp healthy next year then he'll get a shot. I think a lean curry is a legit center. He's not a defensive guy but he can score I mean if Perkins is enough for Boston to win one then curry should do fine...if his legs hold up

Papabear Says

D'antonio don't beleive in centers who can't hit a 3. He just believe in match point who can score the most points run and gun.

that's crap

Papabear Says

No it's the truth. D'Antoni is the wrong coach for the Knicks. The Knicks had a rep for being tough, Now the are softies, can't defend, and no height, and no center.

? Isn't it the GM's job to bring in those types of players?

Papabear wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:D'Antoni didn't play any of the big men that Walsh acquired except for Bender and Barron so I think the coach needs to be committed to whomever is brought in. It makes sense to get a center because it is something the team needs but if the coach isn't going to play him anyway I wouldn't make it a priority.

Papabear Says
D'Antoni has no game plan, just run and gun. We will never make it to the second round with him.

Let me guess, you grew up in west viginia and MDA stole your girlfriend in 10th grade lol that's the only reason I can think of on why you hate him soo much. Let do a little history lesson, I believe Larry brown coaches, as you would say, "toughness" but didn't we suck when he was coach? I know everyone forgot but the knicks sucked way before MDA got there. It started with zeke bro not mike. You blame him for everything and ignore everything else dude.

nixluva wrote:Franco12, come back to me man. You're going off the deep end now. We're trying to build a contender now. Who the hell cares about Darko? We've got a clean slate and all you can do is look back at a guy that is a career underachiever. He had a shot and never impressed. I had hopes he would be able to play in this style, but it turns out he couldn't adjust. This system isn't for everyone. We need to find players that are smart, skilled and confident. Darko had issues with confidence and MDA didn't have the patience to try and figure out what was wrong in his head. The TWolves Stunk worse than us and having Darko didn't change anything. EMPTY stats as far as i'm concerned. I'm looking forward to better options at C.

I'm tellin you MDA is gonna play the guys that help us win. He had no problem playing Barron and i'm positive that if we bring in a guy that can play "period" he'll play him. Just remember that he's gonna have a chance to help decide who we pick here, so i'm sure he's gonna be more motivated to play the guy. Remember that many of the guys we ended up with were guys willing to be two or one year rentals. That's not the kind of players we'll likely be looking to build with.

Why didn't MDA have patience? Where the F were we going this year? His job this year was develop youth, and figure out who on the roster should have been brought back. 70 minutes of playing time and MDA gave up?

Its just as possible that MDA doesn't get along with certain players and isn't a good coach. I think the fact that Kurt Rambis got production out of him is actually proof of this.

I'm tellin you MDA is gonna play the guys that help us win.

Really? Is that why Larry Hughes, who if you go back and look at what happened during the season was one of the key reasons we won games in December, got sent to the bench when he came back from his injury, and was jettisoned at the deadline? He had a lot of flaws and an awful contract, but he brought one thing to our roster that is sorely lacking still- a disruptive, defense presence on the perimeter.

And, while we're talking defense and perimeter, if MDA is so gonna play guys that help us win, what took him so long to discover that Douglas could have a positive impact on the game? Many of us saw this in him early on during the season.

But instead, we had Duhon and more Duhon.

Anything is possible this off season. That's why I buy lotto tickets.

But, I still show up for work, because where there is possible, there is also likely. And its likely that no matter how well Walsh does this off season, our roster next season will still have holes.