djsunyc wrote:firefly is angry this morning.

i bet someone pissed in his crumpets and tea.

martin wrote:

firefly wrote:

djsunyc wrote:firefly is angry this morning.

Growl. Silliness winds me up. Plus, I didnt get none last night. Come to think of it, that might have been more of a contributing factor then I initially thought!

last night? My SlingBox has been burning up the midnight oil for the last 2 weeks straight and hasn't stopped pumping out NBA playoffs since it started!

A gentleman doesnt kiss and tell. All I can say is, in the right circumstances, Marv Albert's voice can be very erotic. Also, its very important to choose the correct positions when indulging in some playoff punani. You can get a terrible crick in the neck if you end up in the wrong position at the closing stages. OK, that came out wrong. Oh god, that came out wrong too!!

firefly wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

firefly wrote:....and in other news, Cleveland are exploring the possibilities of signing-and-trading LeBron James for Channing Frye, who they see as the centrepiece of the franchise for the next 10 years.

Yeah, okay then. Anyone who thinks Toronto is going to S&T Bosh for Hill is living in an alternate dimension.

Hill would be just another young asset. The picks would be more valuable to Toronto because they would be screwing us out of Bosh increasing the value of that 2011 swap and 2012 pick.

Its one thing to be a doom and gloom merchant and another thing entirely to imagine for one second that any team in the NBA would do that deal. Let me ask you this. If we still had Hill and the pick and someone on this forum proposed a trade of Chris Bosh for Jordan Hill, 2012pick and 2011 trade, how fast would you laugh in their faces and tell them how little they know about basketball.

If you want to believe the worst, then go for it. If you want to believe that noone is coming here, that Jan Vesely is better then Gallinari, that the Knicks will throw the max at Ray Allen and Robert Parish, that the Knicks will only have 4 players next year and that the Knicks will strike out on any and every thing they do, then knock yourself out. But you should stop and think how dumb it makes you look when you give credence to a deal that no GM, not even Isiah Thomas and Scott Layden together would ever EVER do.

Oh yeah, and the Raptors are going to lose their franchise All-Star center for bubkas just so they can screw us. Thats where they get their value here. I bow to your superior basketball knowledge.

Bosh is a UNRESTRICTED Free Agent. They are NOT going to get a great player AND picks. Do you think Colangelo prefers Bosh signs a 5 yr deal where he receives NOTHING or trade him West for a young player and picks. Remember the picks are the Knicks picks not Houstons.

No one is saying this is the best deal for Toronto. I assume they'd prefer Bynum but that may not happen and something is better than nothing.

The 2nd thing you fail to realize is Bosh isn't going to allow his new team to trade away their best players just to acquire him. At the end of the day Bosh will dictate to Toronto where he lands not the other way around. If Bosh wants to play with Beasley AND Wade then Toronto would get picks or NOTHING.

Colangelo can pretend to hold all the cards if he likes but the reality is Bosh can leave them with alot of NOTHING. So Colangelo will have to accept what is offered or receive NOTHING to go along with those players he signed to long term deals.

AnubisADL wrote:

firefly wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

firefly wrote:....and in other news, Cleveland are exploring the possibilities of signing-and-trading LeBron James for Channing Frye, who they see as the centrepiece of the franchise for the next 10 years.

Yeah, okay then. Anyone who thinks Toronto is going to S&T Bosh for Hill is living in an alternate dimension.

Hill would be just another young asset. The picks would be more valuable to Toronto because they would be screwing us out of Bosh increasing the value of that 2011 swap and 2012 pick.

Its one thing to be a doom and gloom merchant and another thing entirely to imagine for one second that any team in the NBA would do that deal. Let me ask you this. If we still had Hill and the pick and someone on this forum proposed a trade of Chris Bosh for Jordan Hill, 2012pick and 2011 trade, how fast would you laugh in their faces and tell them how little they know about basketball.

If you want to believe the worst, then go for it. If you want to believe that noone is coming here, that Jan Vesely is better then Gallinari, that the Knicks will throw the max at Ray Allen and Robert Parish, that the Knicks will only have 4 players next year and that the Knicks will strike out on any and every thing they do, then knock yourself out. But you should stop and think how dumb it makes you look when you give credence to a deal that no GM, not even Isiah Thomas and Scott Layden together would ever EVER do.

Oh yeah, and the Raptors are going to lose their franchise All-Star center for bubkas just so they can screw us. Thats where they get their value here. I bow to your superior basketball knowledge.

Bosh is a UNRESTRICTED Free Agent. They are NOT going to get a great player AND picks. Do you think Colangelo prefers Bosh signs a 5 yr deal where he receives NOTHING or trade him West for a young player and picks. Remember the picks are the Knicks picks not Houstons.

No one is saying this is the best deal for Toronto. I assume they'd prefer Bynum but that may not happen and something is better than nothing.

The 2nd thing you fail to realize is Bosh isn't going to allow his new team to trade away their best players just to acquire him. At the end of the day Bosh will dictate to Toronto where he lands not the other way around. If Bosh wants to play with Beasley AND Wade then Toronto would get picks or NOTHING.

Colangelo can pretend to hold all the cards if he likes but the reality is Bosh can leave them with alot of NOTHING. So Colangelo will have to accept what is offered or receive NOTHING to go along with those players he signed to long term deals.

Now youre just being silly. Saying Bosh might go to Miami and Toronto might get compensation is one thing. But Houston are over the cap. They cant sign Bosh outright. But you think Bosh will go to Toronto FO and demand to be traded to Houston in a deal that Toronto would never do, and Colangelo is going to listen to him? Sounds like you dont have much experience in business, let alone basketball.

Also, in a remarkable turn of events, the 2nd thing you fail to realize is that Bosh is never going to demand a trade to Houston over New York, Chicago or Miami.

firefly wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

firefly wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

firefly wrote:....and in other news, Cleveland are exploring the possibilities of signing-and-trading LeBron James for Channing Frye, who they see as the centrepiece of the franchise for the next 10 years.

Yeah, okay then. Anyone who thinks Toronto is going to S&T Bosh for Hill is living in an alternate dimension.

Hill would be just another young asset. The picks would be more valuable to Toronto because they would be screwing us out of Bosh increasing the value of that 2011 swap and 2012 pick.

Its one thing to be a doom and gloom merchant and another thing entirely to imagine for one second that any team in the NBA would do that deal. Let me ask you this. If we still had Hill and the pick and someone on this forum proposed a trade of Chris Bosh for Jordan Hill, 2012pick and 2011 trade, how fast would you laugh in their faces and tell them how little they know about basketball.

If you want to believe the worst, then go for it. If you want to believe that noone is coming here, that Jan Vesely is better then Gallinari, that the Knicks will throw the max at Ray Allen and Robert Parish, that the Knicks will only have 4 players next year and that the Knicks will strike out on any and every thing they do, then knock yourself out. But you should stop and think how dumb it makes you look when you give credence to a deal that no GM, not even Isiah Thomas and Scott Layden together would ever EVER do.

Oh yeah, and the Raptors are going to lose their franchise All-Star center for bubkas just so they can screw us. Thats where they get their value here. I bow to your superior basketball knowledge.

Bosh is a UNRESTRICTED Free Agent. They are NOT going to get a great player AND picks. Do you think Colangelo prefers Bosh signs a 5 yr deal where he receives NOTHING or trade him West for a young player and picks. Remember the picks are the Knicks picks not Houstons.

No one is saying this is the best deal for Toronto. I assume they'd prefer Bynum but that may not happen and something is better than nothing.

The 2nd thing you fail to realize is Bosh isn't going to allow his new team to trade away their best players just to acquire him. At the end of the day Bosh will dictate to Toronto where he lands not the other way around. If Bosh wants to play with Beasley AND Wade then Toronto would get picks or NOTHING.

Colangelo can pretend to hold all the cards if he likes but the reality is Bosh can leave them with alot of NOTHING. So Colangelo will have to accept what is offered or receive NOTHING to go along with those players he signed to long term deals.

Now youre just being silly. Saying Bosh might go to Miami and Toronto might get compensation is one thing. But Houston are over the cap. They cant sign Bosh outright. But you think Bosh will go to Toronto FO and demand to be traded to Houston in a deal that Toronto would never do, and Colangelo is going to listen to him? Sounds like you dont have much experience in business, let alone basketball.

Also, in a remarkable turn of events, the 2nd thing you fail to realize is that Bosh is never going to demand a trade to Houston over New York, Chicago or Miami.

Did I not just say no one is saying that is the best deal.

The fact that Colangelo has some leverage dealing with Houston makes dealing with them MORE appealing then dealing with a team with enough cap space to sign him outright.

No one knows what Bosh is going to do.

Chicago - Rose, Hinrich, Deng, Noah
New York - Gallo, Lee, Chandler, Walker, Douglas
Miami - Wade and Beasley
Houston - Yao, Scola, Ariza, Martin, Brooks/Lowry

I doubt Bosh wants to play center since he didnt even play that position in Toronto. So the question becomes which team he feels he can win with. Lets not forget Bosh has stated he wants somewhere with warm weather and wants to play with an all star quality guard something Miami(Wade), Houston(Martin), and Lakers(Bryant) already have. So lets not pretend Houston is impossible because if Wade bolts to Chicago that cuts 2 destinations with cap space off the list.

AnubisADL wrote:

firefly wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

firefly wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

firefly wrote:....and in other news, Cleveland are exploring the possibilities of signing-and-trading LeBron James for Channing Frye, who they see as the centrepiece of the franchise for the next 10 years.

Yeah, okay then. Anyone who thinks Toronto is going to S&T Bosh for Hill is living in an alternate dimension.

Hill would be just another young asset. The picks would be more valuable to Toronto because they would be screwing us out of Bosh increasing the value of that 2011 swap and 2012 pick.

Its one thing to be a doom and gloom merchant and another thing entirely to imagine for one second that any team in the NBA would do that deal. Let me ask you this. If we still had Hill and the pick and someone on this forum proposed a trade of Chris Bosh for Jordan Hill, 2012pick and 2011 trade, how fast would you laugh in their faces and tell them how little they know about basketball.

If you want to believe the worst, then go for it. If you want to believe that noone is coming here, that Jan Vesely is better then Gallinari, that the Knicks will throw the max at Ray Allen and Robert Parish, that the Knicks will only have 4 players next year and that the Knicks will strike out on any and every thing they do, then knock yourself out. But you should stop and think how dumb it makes you look when you give credence to a deal that no GM, not even Isiah Thomas and Scott Layden together would ever EVER do.

Oh yeah, and the Raptors are going to lose their franchise All-Star center for bubkas just so they can screw us. Thats where they get their value here. I bow to your superior basketball knowledge.

Bosh is a UNRESTRICTED Free Agent. They are NOT going to get a great player AND picks. Do you think Colangelo prefers Bosh signs a 5 yr deal where he receives NOTHING or trade him West for a young player and picks. Remember the picks are the Knicks picks not Houstons.

No one is saying this is the best deal for Toronto. I assume they'd prefer Bynum but that may not happen and something is better than nothing.

The 2nd thing you fail to realize is Bosh isn't going to allow his new team to trade away their best players just to acquire him. At the end of the day Bosh will dictate to Toronto where he lands not the other way around. If Bosh wants to play with Beasley AND Wade then Toronto would get picks or NOTHING.

Colangelo can pretend to hold all the cards if he likes but the reality is Bosh can leave them with alot of NOTHING. So Colangelo will have to accept what is offered or receive NOTHING to go along with those players he signed to long term deals.

Now youre just being silly. Saying Bosh might go to Miami and Toronto might get compensation is one thing. But Houston are over the cap. They cant sign Bosh outright. But you think Bosh will go to Toronto FO and demand to be traded to Houston in a deal that Toronto would never do, and Colangelo is going to listen to him? Sounds like you dont have much experience in business, let alone basketball.

Also, in a remarkable turn of events, the 2nd thing you fail to realize is that Bosh is never going to demand a trade to Houston over New York, Chicago or Miami.

Did I not just say no one is saying that is the best deal.

The fact that Colangelo has some leverage dealing with Houston makes dealing with them MORE appealing then dealing with a team with enough cap space to sign him outright.

No one knows what Bosh is going to do.

Chicago - Rose, Hinrich, Deng, Noah
New York - Gallo, Lee, Chandler, Walker, Douglas
Miami - Wade and Beasley
Houston - Yao, Scola, Ariza, Martin, Brooks/Lowry

I doubt Bosh wants to play center since he didnt even play that position in Toronto. So the question becomes which team he feels he can win with. Lets not forget Bosh has stated he wants somewhere with warm weather and wants to play with an all star quality guard something Miami(Wade), Houston(Martin), and Lakers(Bryant) already have. So lets not pretend Houston is impossible because if Wade bolts to Chicago that cuts 2 destinations with cap space off the list.

Another plus that makes the Rocks deal palatable Scola represents Colangelo's penchant to have an All-World/Diverse/International team. They also can offer an All-American Ambassador Commish in waiting Shane Battier. BC is all about cosmetics just as much as he about everything else. Sorry we don't really have a lot to offer unless you want to look at Gallo being an available asset.

I stop being a diehard fan. I know everyone says it and it's had to do but there is only so much losing one can take. Cubs fans can take it because losing is just accepted there since 1908. I can't accept it.

Once I stop watching every Knicks game and following their news online (and stressing myself out), I buy league pass and follow the rest of the NBA so I can enjoy basketball again. The Knicks have ruined my love for basketball. I want to reconnect with the game. I miss it.

Finally, I wait till I eventually get rich and really blow away James Dolan with an offer for MSG. I buy MSG and the Knicks and I return them to prominence. A championship comes back to NY after 60 years. We have an emotional parade down the Canyon of Heroes and cherish the moment for a lifetime.

The end.

Panos wrote:

Childs2Dudley wrote:This is what happens if we don't get anyone this summer, which would ensure us sucking for another 10 years:

I stop being a diehard fan. I know everyone says it and it's had to do but there is only so much losing one can take. Cubs fans can take it because losing is just accepted there since 1908. I can't accept it.

Once I stop watching every Knicks game and following their news online (and stressing myself out), I buy league pass and follow the rest of the NBA so I can enjoy basketball again. The Knicks have ruined my love for basketball. I want to reconnect with the game. I miss it.

Finally, I wait till I eventually get rich and really blow away James Dolan with an offer for MSG. I buy MSG and the Knicks and I return them to prominence. A championship comes back to NY after 60 years. We have an emotional parade down the Canyon of Heroes and cherish the moment for a lifetime.

The end.

Just curious... after Childs passes to Dudley, what happens next? Does he fumble it out of bounds?
Does he even see the pass, or does it bounce off the back of his head?

The pass deflects off Dudley and hits James Dolan in the head in the front row, knocking him out.

The fans then rise up and give the loudest standing ovation in Garden history to both Chris Childs and Chris Dudley.