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4/29/2010  7:27 PM
misterearl wrote:Knicks1248 - you funny

the trade for Bill Walker was a Great deal for the Knicks. Mister Bill has demonsrated a polished skill set and excellent court awareness. His shooting percentage was excellent. Whatever Giddens contibutes is a bonus

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Sorry MisterEarl but almost any player on a very good team will look great on the Knicks. That shows how bad we really are.

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4/29/2010  8:27 PM
Papabear - Nate or Bill Walker?

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4/29/2010  9:17 PM
misterearl wrote:Papabear - Nate or Bill Walker?

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Touche'.

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4/29/2010  10:13 PM
We miss Nate?

Sangfroid - not really

We miss Kurt Thomas and Marcus Camby

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4/30/2010  7:38 AM
Nate Robinson isn't a good team basketball player.

That's pretty much the long (and short lol) of it.

He is a talented scorer and if a team is blown out or if it's just a bad team to begin with (the Knicks) and he gets his minutes he will put up his points. However it is always to the detriment of the team game. He alienates the other players on the court. So he better be on fire when he plays otherwise he will cost you the game because since he dominates the ball the other teammates are cold and rusty. So if he's off nobody can save the team because so is everyone else from standing around watching him play 1 versus 5.

Players like this are bad players despite their scoring outbursts. Zach, Craw, and Nate. All the same mold.

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4/30/2010  10:15 AM
Nate is being benched because he doesn't play defense and can't run the offense the way Doc was hoping he could. Same reasons he was benched in NY. Until Nate develops these skills he will most likely be known as a sideshow who can bring energy and score on occassion. This is a niche that many players can fill so it makes Nate "unspecial". 5 years here he learned nothing. Coaches were cursed for simply trying to teach the guy. Now he's on a winning team, maybe now he learns the lessons he missed in the past.
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4/30/2010  10:33 AM
All true...So why does MDA take so much heat for benching un-productive, chemistry killering, lazy ass players, yet when they get the same treament from other teams, its no big deal and everyone has a logical explanation.
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4/30/2010  10:37 AM
Nate can see the 24 second clock better in Boston.
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4/30/2010  2:26 PM
Knicks1248 - Nate was a lot of things but he was never lazy

what Knicks players are you specifically referring to?

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4/30/2010  2:30 PM
misterearl wrote:Papabear - Nate or Bill Walker?

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4/30/2010  4:53 PM
Nate must be used together with Jerome James and on Harlem Globetrotters roster.
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4/30/2010  5:01 PM
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misterearl wrote:Knicks1248 - stop it

you claimed it was a bad trade. Now you refuse to back your claim by stating you never compare players who ply different positions? (cough) Hilarious.

Cmon dude. It ain't that deep. Throw in, schmo in... Donnie got the better value, which is the objective of ANY trade, regardless of position. Bill Walker has been ballin at a high level since high school and was considered a lottery material before his knee issues. Research is a beautiful thing.

Did I mention that Bill Walker can play better defense?

I'm not backing down on anything, I said CLEARLY that if bill wasn't part of the deal it would have been a bad trade...would you compare Ewing to tim hardaway....gimme a break sun sun...who really knew about bill walker...Walsh and MDA said it themselves, they didn't know what to expect, now all of a sudden your like Bill walkers agent.

knicks1248 wrote:It was terrible trade, house was absolutely useless to us...had we not got Bill Dub in the deal, i certainly would have lost all faith for walsh and MDA.

your words read, "it was a terrible deal" and that if there was no walker you would have given up any faith walsh and mda. that's not exactly a glowing statement.

secondly, i'd be interested in reading these quotes from walsh and mda that say they didn't know about bill walker. if they exist, then you win, but i can't recall this at all. i think plenty of nba folks knew who walker was since he was highly touted out of h.s.

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4/30/2010  6:09 PM
A Yo, gotta keep it 100...Imma nate fan, but duke fell off something serious. blame it on D'ivatoni, Walsh, the weather...whatever. Facts are facts.

Last year was his coming out party, but this year wasnt his year. Hopefully duke can get on a good squad that will have a role for him, and he can rebound with a fresh, clean start next year.

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4/30/2010  6:14 PM
PresIke wrote:

secondly, i'd be interested in reading these quotes from walsh and mda that say they didn't know about bill walker. if they exist, then you win, but i can't recall this at all. i think plenty of nba folks knew who walker was since he was highly touted out of h.s.

The quotes are real.. I remember reading them or seeing them on video. But you can't tell if they were being 100% genuine. And also, it doesn't serve any purpose to say "Yeah, we knew all along Bill Walker was the key to this deal". Better to publicly announce dumb luck while privately scheming ways to cop youthful assets.

lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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4/30/2010  6:50 PM
thanks kam, i didn't know that.

maybe they didn't feel great about walker, but i should also not be so naive to assume what is said, either positive or negative about a player in public necessarily equates to what one actually thinks.

in terms of walker, if you act like he's a great part of the deal then if he fails you look bad, given that he hadn't shown much to that point.

it makes sense to me that you hope he and giddens grow into valuable players/assets.

either way, it's hard to see how this was a bad deal.

walker is already more valuable to us than nate was.

to blame mda for nate also seems a bit odd.

for some he appears to be the blame for everything these days.

and i ain't saying mda is perfect, by any means.

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4/30/2010  8:28 PM
PresIke wrote:

to blame mda for nate also seems a bit odd.

for some he appears to be the blame for everything these days.

This is the same mindset that explains why nate has not improved anything but his scoring ability in 5 years in the NBA. It's always the crazy coach "stealing his joy". He never takes a step back to actually try to figure out why every coach that coaches him has the exact same complaints. His fans. Never do either.

Nate was no Marbs, but Marbs had a very similar mindset. Doc Rivers complaints about Nate are the exact same complaints LB and D'Antoni had. His words are almost identical. He makes sure to say that he likes Nate and feels he can be a very good player in the league. I think the world thinks he can be a very good player in the league. If he will only listen!!!!!!!

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4/30/2010  9:55 PM
sebstar wrote:A Yo, gotta keep it 100...

that's right, keep it one hunned.

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5/1/2010  1:47 PM
PresIke wrote:thanks kam, i didn't know that.

maybe they didn't feel great about walker, but i should also not be so naive to assume what is said, either positive or negative about a player in public necessarily equates to what one actually thinks.

in terms of walker, if you act like he's a great part of the deal then if he fails you look bad, given that he hadn't shown much to that point.

it makes sense to me that you hope he and giddens grow into valuable players/assets.

either way, it's hard to see how this was a bad deal.

walker is already more valuable to us than nate was.

to blame mda for nate also seems a bit odd.

for some he appears to be the blame for everything these days.

and i ain't saying mda is perfect, by any means.

exactly

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