Loconixfan wrote:To set the record straight although ok4 is 6 foot 10 (not 6 foot 9) he has a 7 foot 4 wingspan so I don't think anyone should be concerned about his height affecting his ability to defend the paint

Set this record Ive stood right next to EO and 6-9 is pushing it. Hilton Armstrong is visibly 2/2.5 inches taller than him.

Loconixfan wrote:

Juice wrote:

nixluva wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:We project 35M of cap space. For me, any deal with NO would really have to include them taking back Curry's 11M this year. But, even if they don't, you have approximately $10M left to spend however you like (including players that have outstanding offensive capabilities and very little defensive prowess). Me, I am not high on Lee. So, my scenario includes getting rid of Curry for the enormous salary of Paul and OK4 and then signing a max FA to run w/Paul.

Then you are stuck with that team for 4 years. Id rather have max flexibility in 2011. I truly think out of all stars Carmelo Anthony would come to NY.

Excepting a frontline of Gallinari and OK4--i don't know about that. Ok4 is 6-9

IT's not about head height! It's about length, quick reflexes, timing and hops! That's why Ben Wallace was so great despite his lack of overall size. I'm not saying Ok4 is Wallace, i'm just saying that when looking at how that roster would work, the head height isn't the important factor.

Also we're not expecting to be dominant at the C position, just more solid. Our team strengths will continue to be midrange to perimeter. There aren't many post up dominant bigs available so why worry about it. We won't have a chance without a C that can consistently play strong on the defensive end.
It's worth it to make sure we finally have a presence inside to go along with an All Star and Leader like CP3. Yeah it's expensive, but that's the whole reason for all the cap space. Two max players is expensive too. IMO CP3, Chan, Gallo, Lee & OK4 get's you into the top 5 East.

We're not consummating a trade with NOH where we get/keep those players because if we're playing fantasy lineups let's do better. Let's replace Lee and Chandler for Mayo/Gay and Blake Griffin/Ibaka and call it a day.

Although the originally suggested deal was a s&t for lee but I think the expiring contract of eddy curry and draft picks are more valuable to a team willing to trade cp3 becasue that indicates a rebuild. You may even have to include Chandler but I think it was mentioned earlier in the thread that if the knicks made a deal of that nature with NOH they would still have enough cap to offer a max contract to say a bosh or even a lebron if he's still available

What pick(s)? A 2013 right to swap and our second rounders? So the picks we're giving them after we assemble our fantasy dream roster assured to land us in the playoffs all the way to a chip will have value......MUWAAAAAAAAHHHH!!!

LIKE FATHER LIKE SON.....Cash Money Records

Juice wrote:

Loconixfan wrote:

Juice wrote:

nixluva wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:We project 35M of cap space. For me, any deal with NO would really have to include them taking back Curry's 11M this year. But, even if they don't, you have approximately $10M left to spend however you like (including players that have outstanding offensive capabilities and very little defensive prowess). Me, I am not high on Lee. So, my scenario includes getting rid of Curry for the enormous salary of Paul and OK4 and then signing a max FA to run w/Paul.

Then you are stuck with that team for 4 years. Id rather have max flexibility in 2011. I truly think out of all stars Carmelo Anthony would come to NY.

Excepting a frontline of Gallinari and OK4--i don't know about that. Ok4 is 6-9

IT's not about head height! It's about length, quick reflexes, timing and hops! That's why Ben Wallace was so great despite his lack of overall size. I'm not saying Ok4 is Wallace, i'm just saying that when looking at how that roster would work, the head height isn't the important factor.

Also we're not expecting to be dominant at the C position, just more solid. Our team strengths will continue to be midrange to perimeter. There aren't many post up dominant bigs available so why worry about it. We won't have a chance without a C that can consistently play strong on the defensive end.
It's worth it to make sure we finally have a presence inside to go along with an All Star and Leader like CP3. Yeah it's expensive, but that's the whole reason for all the cap space. Two max players is expensive too. IMO CP3, Chan, Gallo, Lee & OK4 get's you into the top 5 East.

We're not consummating a trade with NOH where we get/keep those players because if we're playing fantasy lineups let's do better. Let's replace Lee and Chandler for Mayo/Gay and Blake Griffin/Ibaka and call it a day.

Although the originally suggested deal was a s&t for lee but I think the expiring contract of eddy curry and draft picks are more valuable to a team willing to trade cp3 becasue that indicates a rebuild. You may even have to include Chandler but I think it was mentioned earlier in the thread that if the knicks made a deal of that nature with NOH they would still have enough cap to offer a max contract to say a bosh or even a lebron if he's still available

What pick(s)? A 2013 right to swap and our second rounders? So the picks we're giving them after we assemble our fantasy dream roster assured to land us in the playoffs all the way to a chip will have value......MUWAAAAAAAAHHHH!!!

LIKE FATHER LIKE SON.....Cash Money Records

Good point birdman but remember that if NOH makes this deal it's not about what they're getting back it's about being able to trade without having to worry about matching contracts and unloading the huge ones they have on their roster. thats why they would make the deal with ny instead of these other teams with cap space bcause in this scenerio those teams already signed the big free agents so ny would be the only team left willing and able to make that kind of deal but once again this is all hypotheticals

Loconixfan wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:Some of these reports dont even make sense. We traded away the assets to get Chris Paul. New Orleans isnt going to just give away Chris Paul without getting a guaranteed high lottery pick.

Realistically the Nets can make a splash this summer by trading for Paul on draft day which would automatically make them more attractive to Free Agents this summer. They'd have the hardest positions to fill in the NBA taken care of.

The nets would never make this deal. They would be trading a potential all star point for one that is older and may or may not have knee problems and not to mention they would be taking on ok4's contract when they already have lopez and plan to add lee. That does leave the Devin Harris problem tho I would try and trade him in a s&t for lee or make him play the 2

Pg-wall
sg-Harris
sf-williams/yi/lebron
pf-lee/bosh
c-lopez

why would you need Paul or ok4 when you could potentially be starting the season with this lineup? The nets don't need to make this deal the knicks do. the only other team with cap space I could see making this deal is Miami

You answered your own question. Chris Paul IS one of the top PG's in the league right now. Wall MIGHT be a great player. Unfortunately the Nets aren't going to convince free agents to sign there to play with a guy who MIGHT become a star and will need time to develop.

Lopez
Okafor(the guy is really a PF anyway)
Terrence Williams
Courtney Lee
Chris Paul

That assumes they dont even sign someone this summer. I take that lineup over any guy I can get in this years draft. Add Rudy Gay/Boozer/David Lee and that team is a problem.

fishmike wrote:

bitty41 wrote:If you take on CP3 and Emeka how would you keep Lee?

here's your salary in millions:
curry 11.2
lee 10 (6 years $78mm)
chandler 2.1
douglas 1
gallo 3.3
Paul 15
OK4 11.5
Walker 0.8

Total 54.9

if you have drop Walker's $800k to make for 2 $450k cap holds or something OK. Thats the worst case, but the money is there to make that happen. Not sure why they would give us OK/Paul for what? Future draft picks? Do we buy every first rounder we can and trade that? Hard to see that working but the money does work

What would NO be taking back? I just don't see how we have the assets to make this kind of trade happen. If

AnubisADL wrote:Some of these reports dont even make sense. We traded away the assets to get Chris Paul. New Orleans isnt going to just give away Chris Paul without getting a guaranteed high lottery pick.

Realistically the Nets can make a splash this summer by trading for Paul on draft day which would automatically make them more attractive to Free Agents this summer. They'd have the hardest positions to fill in the NBA taken care of.

You mean we traded away assets to have a chance at making room for a Trade/S&T for CP3? Or do you mean we traded away assets to get something else? Agreed the Nets can blow any of our offers off the table. They also have 10 draft picks in hand from now until 2012. OTOH we have like 4 and the majority aren't first rounders

Loconixfan wrote:

Juice wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:Some of these reports dont even make sense. We traded away the assets to get Chris Paul. New Orleans isnt going to just give away Chris Paul without getting a guaranteed high lottery pick.

Realistically the Nets can make a splash this summer by trading for Paul on draft day which would automatically make them more attractive to Free Agents this summer. They'd have the hardest positions to fill in the NBA taken care of.

You mean we traded away assets to have a chance at making room for a Trade/S&T for CP3? Or do you mean we traded away assets to get something else? Agreed the Nets can blow any of our offers off the table. They also have 10 draft picks in hand from now until 2012. OTOH we have like 4 and the majority aren't first rounders

It seems like a lot of people were asleep in class when the teacher said what flexibility meant...he means we can do a lot... so even if the fa's decide to go to another city it doesn't matter because now we have cap room and flexibility, there's that word again, to make trades or do whatever the heck we want else we need to do to win. Walsh said it a thousand times that he didn't just clear the cap for lebron he did it for flexibility!

I've never argued that we don't have flexibility to absorb deals or take them on. We don't have flexibility to improve the roster down the road and we put ourselves at a disadvantage on future trades because of relinquished assets. Flexibility is also relative, we aren't the only team that has it either.

We had flexibility before making the trades and we were always going to have flexibility the following year 2011. So I don't really get the point you're trying to make

Loconixfan wrote:

Juice wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:Some of these reports dont even make sense. We traded away the assets to get Chris Paul. New Orleans isnt going to just give away Chris Paul without getting a guaranteed high lottery pick.

Realistically the Nets can make a splash this summer by trading for Paul on draft day which would automatically make them more attractive to Free Agents this summer. They'd have the hardest positions to fill in the NBA taken care of.

You mean we traded away assets to have a chance at making room for a Trade/S&T for CP3? Or do you mean we traded away assets to get something else? Agreed the Nets can blow any of our offers off the table. They also have 10 draft picks in hand from now until 2012. OTOH we have like 4 and the majority aren't first rounders

It seems like a lot of people were asleep in class when the teacher said what flexibility meant...he means we can do a lot... so even if the fa's decide to go to another city it doesn't matter because now we have cap room and flexibility, there's that word again, to make trades or do whatever the heck we want else we need to do to win. Walsh said it a thousand times that he didn't just clear the cap for lebron he did it for flexibility!

One other thing to consider. Flexibility in the NBA also includes the ability to do sign and trades. Who are the Knicks including in a sign and trade at this point to acquire a big name free agent?

You add Paul and OK4 to the squad, then in 2011 Curry's contract expires and we could possibly land Melo by selling him on playing with Paul, OK4, Gallo in NY.