Uptown wrote:So let me get this straight. For years people was screaming for Isiah and Layden to stop overspening and try to get under the salary cap for flexibility. Walsh comes in and in 2 years does what most here deemed impossisble. Did he give up a bit much to do it (draft pick)? Yes. But it was still a chance he had to take because one of the best FA classes was available this summer. What was the alternative? Lebron wasn't leaving a 60 win championship contending team to join Knicks by himself. Same for Bosh and Wade. I cant knock Walsh for taking a chance because even if he fails to land one of the big three we still have cap felxibility.

If we sign players like Livingston, Gay (or players of that ilk) we still have plenty of money left for next year especially with Curry coming off the books.

I don't get it...We would have cap flexibility if he sat on his hands, we just wouldn't get two major free agents in 2010, that comes in 2011 maybe...He didn't need to give up the draft picks...Part of the major problem people had with Isiah was that he mortgaged the future...Same thing happening here..And if the 2010 falls through, we have rebuilding thru the draft to fall back on...NY fans for some reason think everyone is dying to play in NY, not sure why but it's there, not true...If people can avoid the spot light, they would...They only way what Walsh did is going to be a success is coming away with 2 max free agents, and one is named Lebron...I see guy posting if we sign DLee and a guy like Livingston it's a success, really?? at 30/35 win team???

Cosmic wrote:

Juice wrote:Amar'e Re-Signing

The numbers continue to drop...shaping up to be an overrated off-season

Which would of course please you just fine so you can continue your charade of being a Knick fan while all you do is troll and smash and attack the team, it's players, and it's fans.

I think it's time for a new hobby for you. I'm surprised nobody has made this decision for you (again) as your repeated fake games are a nuisance and meant to do nothing but antagonize people.

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...Meanwhile Amare signing an extension is still likely a prelude to a trade anyways. He's wanted out for some time and the Suns have talked about trading him for some time. Maybe financially getting this done now is in his best interest and then he gets traded anyways maybe to Miami or Chicago (I think Knicks are 3rd on his list). Signing with a new team outright costs a player money (not the 30M BS, but about 7M over the same period of years). S&T's can be problematic and can drag on endlessly. Already being under contract and getting traded is pretty easy to do.

So maybe just maybe that's what this is about.

Wrong!

I've never been an Amar'e fan but I don't want him to re-sign before July 1rst to dilute the talent pool. I'd rather him become a Free Agent and go wherever he wants but here, ditto Joe Johnson. I'm indifferent to Bosh. Obviously Lebron would suffice but keep in mind he hasn't won anything and he's extremely high maintenance. I've been advocating going after Rudy Gay and going after 2 players who fill positions of need(Felton & Interior Defender). Maybe possibly trading for unwanted young talent(if possible). Trading into the first round too. I wanted us to pursue Kevin Martin. I wanted Lee traded many moons ago but in particular this year to Pheonix for Lopez/Clark. Not sure if we would have been or we'll be able to do this. I wouldn't have traded the picks/asset we did to get to where we are. I wholeheartedly dislike our Pres/Gm approach on matters. I do not like our coach. I like some of the young talent we do have here going forward. A lot of doubters have had to put up with just as much if not more crap through the yrs but have been right about a lot. This isn't about who's right or wrong. I want to be proven wrong on matters. As I have no problem owning up to, when I'm wrong. Can't say the same for some.

So go ahead with your line of thinking more power to you.

But I spare no one in this league if it doesn't make sense. I bash Kobe/Wade quite a bit, so why would anyone be exempt who's a Knick?

Uptown wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Uptown wrote:So let me get this straight. For years people was screaming for Isiah and Layden to stop overspening and try to get under the salary cap for flexibility. Walsh comes in and in 2 years does what most here deemed impossisble. Did he give up a bit much to do it (draft pick)? Yes. But it was still a chance he had to take because one of the best FA classes was available this summer. What was the alternative? Lebron wasn't leaving a 60 win championship contending team to join Knicks by himself. Same for Bosh and Wade. I cant knock Walsh for taking a chance because even if he fails to land one of the big three we still have cap felxibility.

If we sign players like Livingston, Gay (or players of that ilk) we still have plenty of money left for next year especially with Curry coming off the books.

I don't get it...We would have cap flexibility if he sat on his hands, we just wouldn't get two major free agents in 2010, that comes in 2011 maybe...He didn't need to give up the draft picks...Part of the major problem people had with Isiah was that he mortgaged the future...Same thing happening here..And if the 2010 falls through, we have rebuilding thru the draft to fall back on...NY fans for some reason think everyone is dying to play in NY, not sure why but it's there, not true...If people can avoid the spot light, they would...They only way what Walsh did is going to be a success is coming away with 2 max free agents, and one is named Lebron...I see guy posting if we sign DLee and a guy like Livingston it's a success, really?? at 30/35 win team???

First, if he sat on his hands, Zach and Jamal would still be here, so we wouldn't have been a player in the FA class this year. And this board would be up in arms if we didn't at least give ourselves an opportunity to be in the Lebron, Wade, Bosh, etc. sweepstakes.

Second, who said anything about Livingston being the lone key to playoff/championship sucess. One piece at a time. Only NY fans believe we are entittled to put together a championship contender in one summer after 8 straight years of languishing at the bottom of the league. It doesn't work that way.

LeBron is a long, long ,long shot..Long Shot...They(Craw and Zach) all would be off the books in 2011...We would still have our draft picks...No one was talking about putting together a Championship roster until Walsh mortgaged our future...Everyone thought we would rebuild thru cap space and the draft, and all was on board...Giving up the future picks just reconfirms we are still starphucking to some here horror...Thus why some here thinks he must know something to take such a huge gamble...Who is looking for a Championship next year???...We have been starphucking for 10 year now are we are still one of the worst teams/poorly managed franchises in the league...It continues to the delight of most here...I too are rooting for LBJ to come here..What are our choices now, or suck until 2015???

93BUICK wrote:I'm just saying we shouldn't jump all over each other before we know the outcome. It was obviously a brutal J Hill trade if we don't get major goods.
I've barely allowed myself to think about it a potential Bron Wade combination.

you should, cuz that would be ideal... that or miss them and somehow score kd. i think he is gonna rival lbj over the next 8-10 years.

holfresh wrote:

Uptown wrote:So let me get this straight. For years people was screaming for Isiah and Layden to stop overspening and try to get under the salary cap for flexibility. Walsh comes in and in 2 years does what most here deemed impossisble. Did he give up a bit much to do it (draft pick)? Yes. But it was still a chance he had to take because one of the best FA classes was available this summer. What was the alternative? Lebron wasn't leaving a 60 win championship contending team to join Knicks by himself. Same for Bosh and Wade. I cant knock Walsh for taking a chance because even if he fails to land one of the big three we still have cap felxibility.

If we sign players like Livingston, Gay (or players of that ilk) we still have plenty of money left for next year especially with Curry coming off the books.

I don't get it...We would have cap flexibility if he sat on his hands, we just wouldn't get two major free agents in 2010, that comes in 2011 maybe...He didn't need to give up the draft picks...Part of the major problem people had with Isiah was that he mortgaged the future...Same thing happening here..And if the 2010 falls through, we have rebuilding thru the draft to fall back on...NY fans for some reason think everyone is dying to play in NY, not sure why but it's there, not true...If people can avoid the spot light, they would...They only way what Walsh did is going to be a success is coming away with 2 max free agents, and one is named Lebron...I see guy posting if we sign DLee and a guy like Livingston it's a success, really?? at 30/35 win team???

that’s why i've said from the moment he made the trade that the only explanation is that he has a deal in place. someone big's agent (lebron's, amare's, wade's, bosh’s, dirk's) told him his man will come IF he brings another key person in (any of the above or joe johnson or retaining dlee). no way i see donnie having made that trade without a deal in the bag.

Walsh has done a fine job in the past building teams. He's a good basketball guy, and he's patient.

This is still Isiah's aftermath we are dealing with here, as demonstrated buy our draft pick this year. The Hill pick was bad. That was a mistake. Gallo and Douglas were good picks. Every GM makes bad picks. Jerry West had bad drafts. It happens.

This summer Walsh will start building this team. It cost us a protected first rounder to get the flexibility he was looking for. Time will tell if that deal made sense or not. If you look over Walsh's 20 years his strong point has always been getting talented player in trades. The cap space gives him great flexibility to make trades this summer and come draft day. Lee, Gallo, Douglas and Chandler are good rotation players. There are a lot of other good players at there available both via FA and trade.

Im sure we just gonna drag Eisley out of retirement to resign him! Vin Baker gotta be wandering the streets also! Mutumbo can be our big!

Sounds silly I know, but if we hire Skiles to coach it will all be OK!