sebstar wrote:

holfresh wrote:I don't see how some get around the draft picks...potentially 3 lottery picks...No one in their right mind gamble that unless they know of a certain outcome...No LBJ, Donnie should be fired the very next day, no questions asked...

Yeah, its pretty bizarre. There must be some Knick office workers among us. At least I hope they are, because to do all this mental leapfrogging and spin control for no compensation would be fukkin ridiculous.

It doesnt make a lick of sense. We could have had the same amount of cap space next year without having to give up all of those strong, tangible assets. Now its "okay" if we get shut out this offseason? Seriously, bruh?

I could add more, but its just the same ol' shyt. No top level free agent this offseason? Walsh better kick rocks and leave.

With you 100%

franco12 wrote:

TheSage wrote:Enough Donnie Bashing. he did what had to be done tear it down so a new foundation can be built. Whether its this year or next, the Knicks have become players. As a scholar once said when asked about the effect of the American Revolutionary War on world history --"It's too soon to tell".

Jefferies deal expired in 1 year- there was no reason to give up 3 lotto picks unless it was to make major moves this summer.

Next year could have waited, and we would have had our own pick this year.

it's not 3 lotto picks - yet. it's one lotto pick and 2 first rounders and you would have to think those are going to be 2 lower first round picks after we get the guys we get. we can just buy 2 more picks.

actually one of those 2 picks is a swap with the rockets, so really whats the big deal. unless you have you absolutely zero confidence we're not going to get ANYONE in FA this year, which I would find pretty hard to believe.

Three guys in the entire NBA average 20 and 10. Walsh traded one of them and now the other is gone for nothing. You're not taking up cap room when you sign Lee you are perserving an asset.

If Manu got 11 Camby got 10.5 what the hell is Lee going to get. Guys only leave when they are over payed. Rashard Lewis is a marginal player and he got over 100 million. Teams get desperate for talent and they overpay.

We gave away draft choices after missing on a guy that drops 34 in his playoff opener. You can't discount that.

Is Cleveland a great team. NO!!! (They win 35 games if they are lucky with out LBJ)

But, they have Lebron and if we get him Donnie has become the greatest GM in NBA history. But, let's not discount the fact that you could have traded away Eddy Curry or Jefferies with a talent like Jennings if you did you're homework.

I am not getting excited for Joe Johnson. That team looks like **** and can barely beat a team with Kurt Thomas at center.

Mike and Donnie have not been on the same page and they look lost. We have our cap room, but we are going to have to overpay anyone to come here in plan B, C, and D

MS wrote:Walsh ****ed up plain and simple. The old man didn't anticipate the market. Lee was going to sign an offer sheet from another team at 8-9 million. We should have locked him up when we had the chance.

Three guys in the entire NBA average 20 and 10. Walsh traded one of them and now the other is gone for nothing. You're not taking up cap room when you sign Lee you are perserving an asset.

If Manu got 11 Camby got 10.5 what the hell is Lee going to get. Guys only leave when they are over payed. Rashard Lewis is a marginal player and he got over 100 million. Teams get desperate for talent and they overpay.

We gave away draft choices after missing on a guy that drops 34 in his playoff opener. You can't discount that.

Is Cleveland a great team. NO!!! (They win 35 games if they are lucky with out LBJ)

But, they have Lebron and if we get him Donnie has become the greatest GM in NBA history. But, let's not discount the fact that you could have traded away Eddy Curry or Jefferies with a talent like Jennings if you did you're homework.

I am not getting excited for Joe Johnson. That team looks like **** and can barely beat a team with Kurt Thomas at center.

Mike and Donnie have not been on the same page and they look lost. We have our cap room, but we are going to have to overpay anyone to come here in plan B, C, and D

You may have a point, but again, looking at walsh he's never been the type to overpay, the tell tell sign was the way they handle sessions. Also the talk of him not using up all the cap space this summer if the deal and the player isn't the perfect fit.

MDA and walsh have actually been more on the same page then any of our GM and Coach tandem, right down to JVG and Layden.

Rashad actual work out pretty well for the magic and although he's a tad bit over paid, the only reason they fell short last year was more so jamal Nelson and the lack of a tru 2G( vince has solve that problem).

Nalod wrote:Had my wife sit down and watch the end of the Cavs game and were were just laughing on how good Lebron is. Its like watching a high school kid play against 5th graders. He does what ever he wants out there.

Rest of the Cavs are not worth a ****.

I think we can be a better team in less than two seasons with the right chemistry with Lebron. No shytsherlock!!!!!!

question is lets say we have the 12th pick next year, and the year after. Houstan might not be that great so the swap may be ok.

Would anyone trade Jhill and the 12 pick for Dlee (if we resign him to be with Lebron)?

Or Bosh? And would LEbron have come if no Dlee or Bosh?

wow. so showing her lebron vids is the key to your 4 shtups a day??

sebstar wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

sebstar wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

This 2010 off season has never been about lebron or bust. Its about resetting the franchise. Knicks are way under the cap with Eddy curry set to come offnext year. What's there to complain about.

C'mon, man.

what's the problem? Knicks goal was to get as much money as they could to sign anyone they wanted to. If its Lebron? Great...chances are Lebron one come, but it would have been stupid not to try. The Knicks will improve no doubt about it. No use complaining about what's already done.

Whats already done is done? No use complaining? So if I smacked the taste out of your mouth and you got up to fire on me, if I said "hold up, hold up...dont hit me, whats already done is done. Dont be mad"...what would you say?

The goal is to put together the best team, not engage in some haphazard plan of accumulating cap space without out any regard for current or future consequences. All moves made by these two should be examined and judged, not dismissed out of blind optimism.

I'm talking about Brandon Jennings. The lost draft picks mean nothing if the Knicks are writing checks. Just have to wait and see instead of crying about something that hasn't even played out yet.

DW hasn't given any real clue as to what he has planned. I think after two years it's safe to assume he does have a plan for what he wants to do with the cap space. There's no reason to have made the Jared/Hill trade if not for some tactical purpose. We need to give the guy a chance to show his hand. He can't say that he's been talking to a team or agent about doing something specific, so what do you expect at this point.

We needed a point guard this year and we had a number of them to choose from. Walsh making the comments about scouting Jennings is disgraceful.

If Walsh picked correctly and signed DLee last offseason when he should have perhaps it would have been easier to sign Lebron with a nuclues of Jennings, Chandler, Lee, Lopez

MS wrote:The only problem is we had two tremendous needs going into the draft the past two season. Center and point guard. Lopez was a projected top three pick in the draft and fell to the knicks. Gallo is and will be a good player. But the best young center in the entire league may very well be Brook Lopez. Someone that could battle Howard in the East.

We needed a point guard this year and we had a number of them to choose from. Walsh making the comments about scouting Jennings is disgraceful.

If Walsh picked correctly and signed DLee last offseason when he should have perhaps it would have been easier to sign Lebron with a nuclues of Jennings, Chandler, Lee, Lopez

Add Walker to that mix and you've got five young guys that can grow.

And, there would have been far less pressure to lose picks to move JJ- keeping our own picks the next three years- and wiff on lebron and you might land a start or other pieces in the draft- and you might be looking at OKC East!

Donnie is a GM that rarely takes big risks but when he does, he's done pretty damn well (e.g. drafting Reggie Miller over Alford, trading Davis for Jermaine O'Neal). It could be a conincidence or it may be that he knows more than he lets on in these situations (I happen to think it's the latter).

I just think for Donnie to have given up all that he did in that McGrady trade, his intel probably told him that he has a very good shot at superstars if that 2nd max slot is cleared up. To me, that is the most rational explanation when you look at Walsh's history as a GM. I can't blame Donnie for pulling the trigger on the McGrady trade if that is indeed the case. If he has inside info (or strongly believes going by the information given to him) that the odds are in his favor to land LeBron after clearing that max slot, then you have to believe he took the right risk.

If he is going into this blindly, like the rest of us, then I agree that he took a huge risk that is likely very foolish. I just don't think that is the case though. I think Donnie knows he has a good shot at LeBron and consequently, wasn't afraid to give up the extra assets. If the worst case scenario unfolds, Walsh probably knows that he can still use the cap space to at least make this team competitive, although the championship aspirations will probably have to wait.

With that said, we don't yet fully understand why Donnie did this (was it blindly? does he have inside info?) so I don't see the point in criticizing him or praising him. What we do know is that he accomplished is goal of getting significant cap space for the summer of 2010.