He is better than Nash in his prime.

Rubio would cost more than Wilson. CP3 in his prime married to Lebron or Bosh is not bad.

You to go NO to make lots of money and play basketball. DLee might have a say. Don't Know what he'll say.

Moonangie wrote:I think CP3 would thrive in the MDA system. But if the trade required Lee/Curry AND Wilson, I'd rather resign Lee and trade Wilson for Rubio's rights. That way we still keep the expiring fatass deal to give ourselves back some cap room for 2011. While CP3 is a star, he is not on the level of Wade and Lebron. We just traded our 2012 first rounder, so we better have a damn good team after this summer. Otherwise we are in big trouble.

Disagree, Paul is the elite pg in the league when healthy. Id trade any combo (Gallo or Wilson with Lee for Paul. Paul is in that elite class of players that you need to compete for a Chip. Paul gives you a starting place from which to build from. Problem is, I'm sure other teams may have more enticing packages to offer.

nixluva wrote:

TMS wrote:

nixluva wrote:Rather than look at CP3 and say "why would they trade their best player" People need to realize that they can get a lot out of a much cheaper player like Collison, who has shown he can really play.

Rather than look at CP3 and say "why wouldn't they trade him to the Knicks to unload his salary" People need to realize that they can get a lot more value than what the Knicks have to offer from other teams for a player like CP3, who has shown he is one of the best players in the NBA.

Most teams would have to match salary if they're near or over the cap. Plus how many of those teams would be so willing to take back salary in a cap clearing way as we would? Not many teams have that ability or willingness. How many teams would help their cap situation and not even blink?

We're saying OK we'll take that long Okafor contract off your hands and this way you can restructure your team in a more affordable way for your market. Understand that the Hornets were #23 in he league in attendance. They avg'd about 15,130 per game. They can't do that again plus pay 73 mil and the luxury tax which could be 90 mil for a mediocre team. We help solve their immediate problem more than an exchange of talent would.

the Nets can offer a high lottery pick & cap relief & they also have some good young talent to offer up in a deal, along with an aggressive new owner who won't be afraid to spend the big bucks on talent to get his team to legitimacy before they make their move to Brooklyn... the Miami Heat can offer good young talent, cap space & the opportunity to play with a megastar for CP3... the Chicago Bulls can offer good young talent, cap space & future draft picks... those are only 3 off the top of my head.

what do we have to offer? David Lee on a sign & trade? Gallo isn't going anywhere, i think that's fair to assume... Wilson Chandler doesn't hold as much value as a top 3 lottery pick & even tho he's a nice young player, he won't be enough to land you a superstar talent in return... & anyone who thinks Billy Walker & Toney Douglas are landing us CP3 need to get their heads examined.

TMS wrote:

nixluva wrote:

TMS wrote:

nixluva wrote:Rather than look at CP3 and say "why would they trade their best player" People need to realize that they can get a lot out of a much cheaper player like Collison, who has shown he can really play.

Rather than look at CP3 and say "why wouldn't they trade him to the Knicks to unload his salary" People need to realize that they can get a lot more value than what the Knicks have to offer from other teams for a player like CP3, who has shown he is one of the best players in the NBA.

Most teams would have to match salary if they're near or over the cap. Plus how many of those teams would be so willing to take back salary in a cap clearing way as we would? Not many teams have that ability or willingness. How many teams would help their cap situation and not even blink?

We're saying OK we'll take that long Okafor contract off your hands and this way you can restructure your team in a more affordable way for your market. Understand that the Hornets were #23 in he league in attendance. They avg'd about 15,130 per game. They can't do that again plus pay 73 mil and the luxury tax which could be 90 mil for a mediocre team. We help solve their immediate problem more than an exchange of talent would.

the Nets can offer a high lottery pick & cap relief & they also have some good young talent to offer up in a deal, along with an aggressive new owner who won't be afraid to spend the big bucks on talent to get his team to legitimacy before they make their move to Brooklyn... the Miami Heat can offer good young talent, cap space & the opportunity to play with a megastar for CP3... the Chicago Bulls can offer good young talent, cap space & future draft picks... those are only 3 off the top of my head.

what do we have to offer? David Lee on a sign & trade? Gallo isn't going anywhere, i think that's fair to assume... Wilson Chandler doesn't hold as much value as a top 3 lottery pick & even tho he's a nice young player, he won't be enough to land you a superstar talent in return... & anyone who thinks Billy Walker & Toney Douglas are landing us CP3 need to get their heads examined.

You keep trying to paint things in a way that makes Knicks fans fearful of coming away with nothing! That's been your top priority, but let's look at your suggestion of the Nets. For one thing They have a shot to get their own CP3 in this draft and why trade for a guy with high salaries when you have a high pick and a great shot to maybe get a great player? Then you bring up Miami? Come on man those deals aren't happening! STOP offering up these inane scenarios just to try and put fear into the rest of us.

Wade is telling Riles "get me a star" and Mr. Three-peat has a massive bankroll. I'm watching a Chicago team that obviously need one more offensive piece to be the real deal. The Nets can sell the whole "biggest stage" aspect and bright future intangibles we supposedly have, and the Nets & Knicks are doing the same thing I'm doing: watching the playoffs at home.

Saying "we don't have a team" in a team sport is NOT a selling point to a smart player.

Moonangie wrote:I think CP3 would thrive in the MDA system. But if the trade required Lee/Curry AND Wilson, I'd rather resign Lee and trade Wilson for Rubio's rights. That way we still keep the expiring fatass deal to give ourselves back some cap room for 2011. While CP3 is a star, he is not on the level of Wade and Lebron. We just traded our 2012 first rounder, so we better have a damn good team after this summer. Otherwise we are in big trouble.

someone suggested that on the wolves board on realgm, and he wolves fans went nuts.. they pretty much called chandler a scrub.. they said they would do a gallo for rubio straight up with no problem.. LOL.. of course those are fans thinking and not their GM, so go figure.. LOL

tkf wrote:other than devin harris(who doesn't hold that much value) and Lopez, what talent do the nets have that a team like New Orleans would want for paul? maybe if the nets threw in their top 3 pick and lopez that would get it done. if not, the nets better be ready to eat salary.. The bulls? yea, they can trade rose for paul. do they? I doubt it.. other than that the bulls have no other attractive pieces unless you consider noah a guy the hornets would give paul up for..

I understand what you are saying TMS, but come on, lets not paint these other teams as having all these assets that are superior to ours in every way.. the knicks do have one thing they can offer.. expiring deals, cap space and the willingness to eat a contract with some of that space.. and most of all they have player the article said the hornets would love to have.. David lee.. I think that gives the knicks somewhat of an advantage, unless a team like the bulls or nets trade a player they don't want to get rid of, like a derrick rose.. again, looking at rose potential with paul, that is almost a lateral move.. Almost.... paul still being a bit better than rose..

i already pointed out that NJ, MIA & CHI also have cap space & the willingness to eat a contract as well, along with a better core of young talent to offer in trade & multiple 1st round picks in the next 2 year span

u guys are forgetting the fact that D Lee is an unrestricted free agent, which makes the options to trade him very limited... you have to present him w/an ideal situation for him to go to in order to get him to play ball, otherwise he can simply sign with a different team if the sign & trade scenario doesn't appeal to him... from some accounts i'm hearing we will end up renouncing his Bird Rights this summer anyway to get rid of his cap hold, which means the extra year on his contract factor won't really play into our favor... so really he stands little to gain in agreeing to a sign & trade other than to appease the Knicks at this point... why would he want to go play in New Orleans without CP3? that's going to be yet another rebuilding situation for him, he won't want that at this stage in his career... he's already been through 5 years of losing, do u think he's looking to get into another situation like that? they also have David West entrenched at the same position D Lee plays, why the hell would Lee want to go there to share touches w/him & play out of position again? come on guys, this is pretty basic common sense

NJ has a top 3 pick this summer to use if they so choose, which is a huge asset... i am guessing they will keep it if it's #1 & pick John Wall, which will make Devin Harris expendable... Devin Harris holds more value than any asset we own other than Gallo right now & he's signed to a reasonable contract... they also own DAL's 1st round pick this summer as well as Golden State's 1st round lottery protected pick next summer & their own picks in 2011 & 2012 they can offer up in a deal... they also have Lopez to offer who is about on a par with Gallo in terms of value, so if they include him along w/Devin Harris & maybe a future pick, u don't think that's a better package than what we could offer? seriously??? a CP3 & John Wall backcourt along w/their remaining core & another FA signing puts them right back into contention, & their Russian mafioso billionaire owner isn't gonna blink to take on a contract like Peja's to make that happen.

no way does CHI trade Derrick Rose, but they could offer up talent like Taj Gibson & Joakim Noah along w/an able replacement like Kirk Hinrich who's signed to a reasonable deal & would make a solid backup for Collison... plus they own their draft pick this summer which looks like it will be a #17 selection & have more picks to offer in the next 2 years... u telling me that's not a better package to offer than Wilson Chandler, Toney Douglas & Eddy Curry's expiring? come on dude... you're a level headed thinking guy, u can't seriously buy that... a CP3/Rose backcourt would be straight nasty, there's no way they wouldn't be willing to eat a contract like Peja's to get a deal like that done.

MIA can offer up Beasley who outside of Gallo we have nothing to match in terms of value to sway the Hornets into dealing with us instead... u think Pat Riley wouldn't be chomping at the bit to get his hands on a guy like CP3 to put next to his franchise star in the backcourt? a CP3/Wade backcourt would be the best in basketball barnone.

those are only 3 possibilities i bring up... there isn't a team in the NBA that wouldn't love to get their hands on CP3, but somehow the Knicks hold all the leverage... i don't get that reasoning... we're not the only team with cap space this summer & we don't have all that many assets to use in a trade either unless you're willing to throw Gallo's name into the mix, which i don't think the Knicks are going to be willing to do... & before some idiot says i'm calling all our assets trash, i'm not saying that... but u have to be realistic about their real market value here... thinking we're going to steal CP3 away from the Hornets this summer is not a realistic scenario IMO.

nixluva wrote:It's not even realistic to presume that NJ would send their pick along with some good talent to New Orleans for CP3 and use up some of their cap space to take back more cap than they give! Why would NJ send possibly Wall to NO for CP3?

TMS wrote:NJ has a top 3 pick this summer to use if they so choose, which is a huge asset... i am guessing they will keep it if it's #1 & pick John Wall, which will make Devin Harris expendable... Devin Harris holds more value than any asset we own other than Gallo right now & he's signed to a reasonable contract... they also own DAL's 1st round pick this summer as well as Golden State's 1st round lottery protected pick next summer & their own picks in 2011 & 2012 they can offer up in a deal... they also have Lopez to offer who is about on a par with Gallo in terms of value, so if they include him along w/Devin Harris & maybe a future pick, u don't think that's a better package than what we could offer? seriously??? a CP3 & John Wall backcourt along w/their remaining core & another FA signing puts them right back into contention, & their Russian mafioso billionaire owner isn't gonna blink to take on a contract like Peja's to make that happen.

nixluva wrote:Look the point here is that not only do the Knicks offer over the cap teams a trading partner, but we actually do have some decent players we can send back, while taking back a boatload of cap. This is part of the reason DW cleared so much cap. It's the price we're willing to pay in order to acquire top tier talent. With almost no roster, we can afford to take on some players. It's well worth it to us to absorb a player in order to get a player like CP3. Our chances of doing that kind of deal are greater than our chances of getting Lebron.

& the point is also that other teams also offer over the cap teams a trading partner & have better players they can send back... but of course that doesn't factor anywhere in this conversation for you... ok.

no sheit it's well worth it for US to make a deal for CP3, but why is it well worth it for the Hornets to deal with us instead of those other teams that have more to offer?

AnubisADL wrote:

nixluva wrote:It's not even realistic to presume that NJ would send their pick along with some good talent to New Orleans for CP3 and use up some of their cap space to take back more cap than they give! Why would NJ send possibly Wall to NO for CP3?

Look the point here is that not only do the Knicks offer over the cap teams a trading partner, but we actually do have some decent players we can send back, while taking back a boatload of cap. This is part of the reason DW cleared so much cap. It's the price we're willing to pay in order to acquire top tier talent. With almost no roster, we can afford to take on some players. It's well worth it to us to absorb a player in order to get a player like CP3. Our chances of doing that kind of deal are greater than our chances of getting Lebron.

Top lottery picks have been traded before for star players. Did you see the Nets stadium this season. Literally a GHOST town.

They need star power. Grabbing CP3 will make them a more attractive destination for Free Agents as well. Think Jason Kidd trade a few years ago.

They would lose their minds for John Wall. I don't see why they'd take a chance on CP3 who has some mileage and some injuries on him, vs. the opportunity to get a John Wall for cheaper and with no wear on him.

franco12 wrote:more likely, the trade that will happen is ok4 for a 2nd rounder! Where we absorb his contract just to add talent this off season.

Its a solid 7