djsunyc wrote:

sebstar wrote:Im not as in love with a joe johnson/Bosh combo as you are. To me, their ceiling would be the Atlanta Hawks. A nice 4 or 5 seed at best.

you have to think about stuff long term.

if the knicks take joe from atlanta and bosh from toronto, then both those teams drop.

celtics are crazy old.

which leaves lebron + cleveland, orlando and then maybe some other team rises up...like miami or milwaukee (but that will mean jennings becomes a star player) or nets if they sign some folks.

but joe + bosh in ny w/ d'antoni and dolan's $$$'s mean no worse than 3rd in the east for the next 3-4 years.

My biggest question with Joe Johnson is if he is such a great player why would a playoff team like the Hawks say if you want him, you can have him. I mean he is on that team and they see him everyday. I mean it likes Lee if you think about it. If I'm a fan of a team that has been out of the playoffs for years, I don't think I look at Lee as being an important clog to get my team back in the playoffs but rather a piece to add on that is about ready to make a run. And I think the Hawks will just slide Crawford in there and say ok so we lose a little defense in the short run but Teagues is coming along. Don't sell them short in their development and ability to sustain the lost of Johnson.

djsunyc wrote:

sebstar wrote:Im not as in love with a joe johnson/Bosh combo as you are. To me, their ceiling would be the Atlanta Hawks. A nice 4 or 5 seed at best.

you have to think about stuff long term.

if the knicks take joe from atlanta and bosh from toronto, then both those teams drop.

celtics are crazy old.

which leaves lebron + cleveland, orlando and then maybe some other team rises up...like miami or milwaukee (but that will mean jennings becomes a star player) or nets if they sign some folks.

but joe + bosh in ny w/ d'antoni and dolan's $$$'s mean no worse than 3rd in the east for the next 3-4 years.

cant really say all this, tho, because ur forgetting the other end of the spectrum. As teams fall, other teams rise.

The bucks are going to be a problem in the future.
If the Bulls get a high-impact free agent or make a trade --- they're right there.

That Knicks team on paper isnt going anywhere Cavs and Orlando will still be miles ahead of us.

rvwink wrote:Lee's offensive game has definitely improved to where he is close to being an "elite" scorer and rebounder. Unfortunately his defense is still below par, bringing down his overall economic value imo. But the more important consideration is that if signing Bosh is a step in the direction of enabling the Knicks to ultimately attract Lebron, its a home run. (Based on his relative worth compared to the other "max" players, you can sign Lebron for significantly less than his actual financial value. Paying Bosh a premium over his relative worth compared to David Lee, could ultimately pay significant dividends if it enables the Knicks to sign Lebron or even another desirable free agent who otherwise might not believe the Knicks were ready to contend for the title. There is a lot of extra value to having a star player that wants the ball at the end of the game, that simply doesn't show up in the statistics that are commonly used to compare NBA players.

What he said lol I think one clear difference between the two is that Bosh can get his shot off pretty much whenever he wants, while Lee needs to be set up most times. There were plenty of game this season where we went on scoring droughts and we didn't have that one guy who could will himself to that one momentum changing basket. I'd see Lee is fine if we had a real point guard who could create on a consistent basis. But as thing stand now, I'd say Bosh is the better fit.

sebstar wrote:cant really say all this, tho, because ur forgetting the other end of the spectrum. As teams fall, other teams rise.

The bucks are going to be a problem in the future.
If the Bulls get a high-impact free agent or make a trade --- they're right there.

That Knicks team on paper isnt going anywhere Cavs and Orlando will still be miles ahead of us.

every year there's a new darling team in the league. right now it's the bucks but wait till bogut actually is healthy to last as season or can suit up for a post season. and wait till they can actaully attract big time players to go there.

bulls is wait and see but joe + bosh trump anything bulls can get. i don't think people realize how good both those players are. and d'antoni may be a sh t coach with a young team but i think he gets good players to play with supreme confidence.

orlando is curious b/c they have dwight but in 2 years, vince will be done so they will have to start recycling players soon...and there's no guarantee they can get good enough players to stay at this level.

Which player do you think we can run plays for on the low block.. more consistently.. David Lee or Chris Bosh?

My targets... If Lebron/Wade/Joe Johnson don't have a change of heart

Chris Bosh PF 17.5 mil
Rudy Gay SF/SG 11 mil
Raymond Felton PG 8 mil

Brad Miller, Marcus Camby (1 mil plus bonus??? lol)

Miller
Bosh
Gallinari/ Chandler
Gay/ Walker
Felton

Bosh has more ability than Lee on defense, but I can't see him reaching that max level under MDA. If we don't sign Lee for a defensive player, I want guys who's hearts are in defense 100% of the time. Not guys that make us hope they reach their potential someday, like Bosh. I'll take Lee and his 9, 10 million and Camby or Haywood over Bosh and his 17 million, thank you very much.

isergio, a superstar IS someone who can carry their franchise and lift them to another level. Hate to say it, but Bosh is no superstar. LaMarcus Albridge might be higher up than Chris Bosh, and he's definitely no superstar.