To be Honest, I'd rather a Camby/Lee front line because I think Lee is better at creating his own shot than Amare is. Now if we upgrade the point guard position that's different.

Getting 3 hungry second tier guys is a nice second option if LBJ stays. And room to trade Curry for someone dumping come trade time. Team should best be built in stages likely anyway.

And is it just me or is the apostrophe in "amar'e" the most pretentious thing youve ever seen?

iSergio wrote:

firefly wrote:Amare Stoudemire is a much worse defender than David Lee. Lee is the better passer, superior rebounder and all-round better guy. And he's younger. And he's ours. If the only reason you dont like Lee is because of his lack of defense, why the hell would you want a 4 year older version with dodgy knees? Why we would want Amare over Lee is completely beyond me. Its absolutely a grass is greener situation.

And is it just me or is the apostrophe in "amar'e" the most pretentious thing youve ever seen?

WOW. David Lee is no Amare Stoudemire. Another example of overrating your own player. And no starting frontcourt player is worse defensively than Lee. Please watch the upcming Playoffs and you'll see why Lee cannot be a starter on a title contender with that weak D.

Player           Team G    MIN   PPG   FG   FGP   FT   FTP  FG3  FG3P   RPG   APG  SPG  BPG  TO   PF    Arthoscopic Knee Surgeries
David Lee         NY  80   2985  20.3  678  .546  265  .810  0   .000   11.7  3.6  1.1  0.5  184  253          0
Amar'e Stoudemire PHO 81   2804  23.2  698  .558  479  .769  1   .167   9.0   1.0  0.6  1.0  211  279          1

OK, so here are this years numbers. Now, where are the big discrepancies?

Assists - Lee is a MUCH better passer.
Steals - Lee gets way more.
Blocks - Stoudamire gets double the amount.
Free throws attempted - Stoudamire shoot way more then Lee.
Turnovers - Stoudamire is much more prone then Lee.
Rebounds - Lee is a far superior renounder.

So now we try and figure out the reasons behind these numbers.

Stoudamire is taller and more athletic then Lee. So he SHOULD be getting more rebounds. He doesnt.

Stoudamire in Phx is playing in the pivot (as evidenced by his superior FTA numbers, surrounded by an actual team with a Hall of Fame point guard while Lee is surrounded by airheads who wouldnt know a good shot if it hit them in the ass. His assists and steals should be much higher then Lee's but theyre not.

Stoudamire gets more blocks then Lee because, lets face it, regardless of how much of a lazy schlub he is on defense, he can still jump out of the gym. For now.

Stoudmire commits more turnovers then Lee in less MPG.

Oh, and dont forget the last stat. Arthroscopic knee surgeries. I guess Lee needs to try harder in that category.

The only thing I got wrong in my original post was the age gap. I was wrong and they are only 6 months apart there. My bad.

Face it, they are both pretty useless on D. But aside from that, I take Lee over Amare every day of the week and twice on Sundays. Youre either underrating Lee tremendously or overrating Amare tremendously because the facts as evidenced by the stats is that Lee is better. And, besides the statistical analysis, everyone will agree that Lee is the better teammate and has better knees. And has been in the league shorter then Amare, giving him a longer careerspan.

So where exactly is Amare Stoudamire better then David Lee?

TMS wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:A Camby/Amare/Gallo frontline would be awesome.

would much rather see that than a Lee/Bosh or Lee/Amare frontcourt... at least u have balance with Camby in the mix.

Yup. I am changing gears and I am really excited about the possibility of getting CP3 on a trade. It is wishful thinking(maybe), but CP3 with those 3 mentioned above or DLee would just make go down on my knees and cry. CP3 running MDA system would put him in Nash's category and would be an MVP candidate.

NYKBocker wrote:

TMS wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:A Camby/Amare/Gallo frontline would be awesome.

would much rather see that than a Lee/Bosh or Lee/Amare frontcourt... at least u have balance with Camby in the mix.

Yup. I am changing gears and I am really excited about the possibility of getting CP3 on a trade. It is wishful thinking(maybe), but CP3 with those 3 mentioned above or DLee would just make go down on my knees and cry. CP3 running MDA system would put him in Nash's category and would be an MVP candidate.

i wonder if lee has any thoughts about signing in new orleans? S/T lee + chandler for paul. sign amare, gay, camby.

PG-Paul
SG-Gay
SF-Gallo
PF-Amare
C- Camby

bench: douglas, baron, walker, giddens, whoever the hell else you want. that is a nice lineup.

iSergio wrote:

firefly wrote:Amare Stoudemire is a much worse defender than David Lee. Lee is the better passer, superior rebounder and all-round better guy. And he's younger. And he's ours. If the only reason you dont like Lee is because of his lack of defense, why the hell would you want a 4 year older version with dodgy knees? Why we would want Amare over Lee is completely beyond me. Its absolutely a grass is greener situation.

And is it just me or is the apostrophe in "amar'e" the most pretentious thing youve ever seen?

WOW. David Lee is no Amare Stoudemire. Another example of overrating your own player. And no starting frontcourt player is worse defensively than Lee. Please watch the upcming Playoffs and you'll see why Lee cannot be a starter on a title contender with that weak D.

I think its a (not surprising) case of Knick fans undervaluing one of their own. Put Lee next to Nash and he'd have stats that blow Amare's away. Why, because, Lee unlike Amare DOES NOT NEED a top flight pg to get his numbers unlike the gimp in phoenix. He'd a superior passes and rebounder (as said) and neither are good defenders. Amare in his rook season showed an ability to block the shyt out of a shot but, even that has gone.

The only thing Amare has over Lee is Power. He's a power player which is a lot more flashy and impressive than a solidly skilled guy like Lee WHO HAS IMPROVED EVERY YEAR.

That should be repeated. He has improved every year and those improvements were all significant.

1crap ft shooter to a very good one
2no outside J to a very solid jumper.
3poor ball handler to a very decent handler
4average passer to the best passing big man in the game this season.

Whats next?

NYKBocker wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

TMS wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:A Camby/Amare/Gallo frontline would be awesome.

would much rather see that than a Lee/Bosh or Lee/Amare frontcourt... at least u have balance with Camby in the mix.

Yup. I am changing gears and I am really excited about the possibility of getting CP3 on a trade. It is wishful thinking(maybe), but CP3 with those 3 mentioned above or DLee would just make go down on my knees and cry. CP3 running MDA system would put him in Nash's category and would be an MVP candidate.

i wonder if lee has any thoughts about signing in new orleans? S/T lee + chandler for paul. sign amare, gay, camby.

PG-Paul
SG-Gay
SF-Gallo
PF-Amare
C- Camby

bench: douglas, baron, walker, giddens, whoever the hell else you want. that is a nice lineup.

That team would contend for a long time. You would need to include TD in that S/T. So we need to sign Sergio. Then draft PF/C types that can run and shoot in the 2nd round. Yup. Yup.

It's a nice team, but there's no way it works under the cap. You can't sign and trade DLee if you flat out sign Gay and Amare.

Also, "long-time" seems relative if you're relying on Camby to be the leader on defense and hold down the middle.

We trade Chandler to the Wolves for the rights to Rubio. We sign Lee to a six year back-loaded deal averaging $10mil per. We sign Bosh for a max 5-year deal (he'll be leaving the Raptors after we eliminate them from the playoffs tonight in the finale). We pick up Walker and Barron for cheap. We sign Camby for two years with third year team option for $5mil per. And we trade Curry's expiring and future picks for Gay (who is S&T'd to us). Barron would probably be out of the rotation until Camby's first injury (or maybe he plays great and bumps Camby).

That yields this team:

PG - Rubio/TD
SG - Gay/Walker
SF - Gallo/Walker
PF - Lee/Gallo/Bosh
C - Bosh/Camby/Barron

While I prefer to build around the King, we don't control that plan so our plan B needs to be solid since it is perhaps our likely direction.

sidsanders wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:Whoops. Meant to say Amare. Amare makes excuses for not playing hard on defense and for a star to talk like that, it bothers me.

ya... bosh i just cant see being second fiddle. dont think he is a guy to carry a team just yet either.

He better be ready to be second fiddle. He's nowhere near a superstar