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Cosmic
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4/12/2010  7:48 AM
TMS wrote:
s3231 wrote:Houston had to be bad to get Hakeem.
Chicago had to be bad to get Jordan.
Knicks had to be bad to get Ewing.
San Antonio had to be bad to get Duncan.
Cleveland had to be bad to get LeBron.
Denver had to be bad to get Melo.
Miami had to be bad to get Wade.
Suns had to be bad to get Nash.
Seattle/Oklahoma City had to be bad to get Durant.
Knicks had to be bad to get *insert name*

Notice a trend?

i think the predominant trend there is those teams all acquired their franchise star through the draft... there is only 1 example on this list where the team acquired their franchise star via free agency... the Knicks are attempting to follow the exception to the trend & set a brand new precedent, which is to build a championship contender with 2 free agent signings... we'll see if the plan works out, but if u want to follow trends then you can't be very optimistic.

We acquired David Lee through the draft. He's a pretty good player.

Why can't David Lee be our Paul Pierce and why can't our remaining cap space and young guys be the way to our KG and Ray Allen?

Why not?

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4/12/2010  7:49 AM
s3231 wrote:BRIGGS, I'm sick of the losing too but the difference between now and the Isiah era is that even though we are losing right now, we are still going forward by gaining a lot of flexibility to improve quickly. Walsh has made several mistakes in my opinion, but overall, I think it's hard to deny that we are moving in the right direction.

Someone is going to come in here and say "Yeah, well pretty much all those guys you listed were obtained through the draft."

Donnie is obviously trying it a different way. We can't say that it will/won't work because we obviously have never seen the franchise with the biggest stage go all in like this.

It's awfully risky but hell, let's see if it works.

Very good post.

Why is it good?

It's the truth of the matter that's why.

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4/12/2010  10:18 AM
Cosmic wrote:
s3231 wrote:BRIGGS, I'm sick of the losing too but the difference between now and the Isiah era is that even though we are losing right now, we are still going forward by gaining a lot of flexibility to improve quickly. Walsh has made several mistakes in my opinion, but overall, I think it's hard to deny that we are moving in the right direction.

Someone is going to come in here and say "Yeah, well pretty much all those guys you listed were obtained through the draft."

Donnie is obviously trying it a different way. We can't say that it will/won't work because we obviously have never seen the franchise with the biggest stage go all in like this.

It's awfully risky but hell, let's see if it works.

Very good post.

Why is it good?

It's the truth of the matter that's why.


simple fact is all these guys are gone next year. Its literally a clean slate, and this management is scouting this draft more than ever because they know they desperatly need to fill this roster with low cost talent.

Its hard to see a scenarion where Lee isnt back. He wants to be here and our ability to give him 6 years and bigger raises greatly favors us bringing him back. Plus Walsh knows talent and Lee is one of the better offensive players in the NBA and he continues to get better. I cant see Lee walking away from 6 years $70mm starting at $9mm.

If Lebron and Wade arent options I think you have to target Amare. An Amare/Lee/Gallo frontcourt would be lights out. You could bring Chandler off the bench for 30-35 minutes a night and have plenty of money left over for some guys like Livingston, Morrow, Watson, or a veteran guy I really like in Raja Bell.

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4/12/2010  11:02 AM
They need to seek out a pg sooooo bad it's not even funny, i woulg go so far as trading chandler to aquire one. Unless there's a wade or LBJ signing there best be a point guard in the works. this ship will not sail with no avg pg..

Sergio's ahead of his own play, if that guy could get under control he could be a pretty good PG, but right now, he just shift gears with no direction.

TD..the love affair has died down with him, and it's pretty obvious he's not going to cut it as a starting PG for the immediate future.

MDA surely didn't earn any awards for his coaching, but his PG play is mostly responsible and always will be. In MDA's system there's always a wide open shot if executed right..unfortunately most are from the perimetr

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4/12/2010  11:27 AM
s3231 wrote:Houston had to be bad to get Hakeem.
Chicago had to be bad to get Jordan.
Knicks had to be bad to get Ewing.
San Antonio had to be bad to get Duncan.
Cleveland had to be bad to get LeBron.
Denver had to be bad to get Melo.
Miami had to be bad to get Wade.
Suns had to be bad to get Nash.
Seattle/Oklahoma City had to be bad to get Durant.
Knicks had to be bad to get *insert name*

Notice a trend?

sure... but its very selective. Orl signed TMac and Grant Hill with cap space. Utah signed their front court with cap space in Boozer and Okur and drafted AK47 late. DWill was a lottery pick, I will give you that. Det got Big Ben in a trade, signed Billups as a FA, draft Prince mid-late round 1. Heat signed Odom w/ cap space. Pho signed Nash w/ cap space. SA got Parker and Ginobili with very low picks.

I mean we can do this all day... The trend is good management vs. bad management.

What if the Knicks look like this next year:
PG Douglas (draft)
SG Mike Miller (FA)
SF Gallo (draft)
PF Lee (draft)
C Amare (FA)
bench: Chandler (draft), Walker (trade), Raja Bell (FA), Earl Barron (FA/DLeague)

I mean.. thats a pretty good team and a nice mix of drafted parts and FA and that doesnt include any player Walsh is able to draft. I picked Mike Miller because he's really like a veteran 6'7 PG and that would allow Douglas to play off the ball and give us a tough defender to put on opposing PGs. Good bench too.

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4/12/2010  11:36 AM
fishmike wrote:What if the Knicks look like this next year:
PG Douglas (draft)
SG Mike Miller (FA)
SF Gallo (draft)
PF Lee (draft)
C Amare (FA)
bench: Chandler (draft), Walker (trade), Raja Bell (FA), Earl Barron (FA/DLeague)

40 wins at best... write it down.

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4/12/2010  12:28 PM
TMS wrote:
fishmike wrote:What if the Knicks look like this next year:
PG Douglas (draft)
SG Mike Miller (FA)
SF Gallo (draft)
PF Lee (draft)
C Amare (FA)
bench: Chandler (draft), Walker (trade), Raja Bell (FA), Earl Barron (FA/DLeague)

40 wins at best... write it down.

zzzZZZZzzzzZZzzz
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4/12/2010  12:28 PM
TMS wrote:
s3231 wrote:Houston had to be bad to get Hakeem.
Chicago had to be bad to get Jordan.
Knicks had to be bad to get Ewing.
San Antonio had to be bad to get Duncan.
Cleveland had to be bad to get LeBron.
Denver had to be bad to get Melo.
Miami had to be bad to get Wade.
Suns had to be bad to get Nash.
Seattle/Oklahoma City had to be bad to get Durant.
Knicks had to be bad to get *insert name*

Notice a trend?

i think the predominant trend there is those teams all acquired their franchise star through the draft... there is only 1 example on this list where the team acquired their franchise star via free agency... the Knicks are attempting to follow the exception to the trend & set a brand new precedent, which is to build a championship contender with 2 free agent signings... we'll see if the plan works out, but if u want to follow trends then you can't be very optimistic.


Steve nash was the 15th pick in the draft.. I don't think the suns were really "bad" that year... they finished with a .500 record.. but i get the point..

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4/12/2010  12:37 PM
The knicks had like the 10th worst record in the league when they drafted Ewing..People still think there was shady business involved in that..
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4/12/2010  12:55 PM
tkf wrote:
TMS wrote:
s3231 wrote:Houston had to be bad to get Hakeem.
Chicago had to be bad to get Jordan.
Knicks had to be bad to get Ewing.
San Antonio had to be bad to get Duncan.
Cleveland had to be bad to get LeBron.
Denver had to be bad to get Melo.
Miami had to be bad to get Wade.
Suns had to be bad to get Nash.
Seattle/Oklahoma City had to be bad to get Durant.
Knicks had to be bad to get *insert name*

Notice a trend?

i think the predominant trend there is those teams all acquired their franchise star through the draft... there is only 1 example on this list where the team acquired their franchise star via free agency... the Knicks are attempting to follow the exception to the trend & set a brand new precedent, which is to build a championship contender with 2 free agent signings... we'll see if the plan works out, but if u want to follow trends then you can't be very optimistic.


Steve nash was the 15th pick in the draft.. I don't think the suns were really "bad" that year... they finished with a .500 record.. but i get the point..


Wasn't talking about the Suns drafting Nash, was referring to Colangelo gutting the Suns to get under the cap to sign him.

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4/12/2010  1:10 PM
Colangelo took a big risk cuz he didn't know the Mavs would let Nash go! The point is he was ready to pounce cuz he took that chance! That's what DW is doing. We have to be in position to take advantage of every available FA. For the 1st time no one is out of our price range.
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4/12/2010  1:32 PM
fishmike wrote:
TMS wrote:
fishmike wrote:What if the Knicks look like this next year:
PG Douglas (draft)
SG Mike Miller (FA)
SF Gallo (draft)
PF Lee (draft)
C Amare (FA)
bench: Chandler (draft), Walker (trade), Raja Bell (FA), Earl Barron (FA/DLeague)

40 wins at best... write it down.

zzzZZZZzzzzZZzzz

prett much the reaction i had when u posted that roster.... if DW traded away Hill and the rights to 2 future picks just so he could end up with that he needs to retire.

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4/12/2010  1:40 PM
TMS wrote:
fishmike wrote:
TMS wrote:
fishmike wrote:What if the Knicks look like this next year:
PG Douglas (draft)
SG Mike Miller (FA)
SF Gallo (draft)
PF Lee (draft)
C Amare (FA)
bench: Chandler (draft), Walker (trade), Raja Bell (FA), Earl Barron (FA/DLeague)

40 wins at best... write it down.

zzzZZZZzzzzZZzzz

prett much the reaction i had when u posted that roster.... if DW traded away Hill and the rights to 2 future picks just so he could end up with that he needs to retire.

hey, come on. 40 wins?

mike miller's shooting 50% - and just about that from 3's. plus he's rocking hair! we sign amare, dlee, bring back an improved gallo, healthier chandler and walker, raja, and improved td and barron, how is that not a 50-win team?
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4/12/2010  1:48 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/12/2010  1:48 PM
knicks1248 wrote:The knicks had like the 10th worst record in the league when they drafted Ewing..People still think there was shady business involved in that..

Mang, that cant possibly be true because there were only seven teams in the lottery in '85.

Stop listening to those bytch made mid-westerners that want to hate on NY. Get your self-esteem up.

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4/13/2010  12:29 AM
Marv wrote:
TMS wrote:
fishmike wrote:
TMS wrote:
fishmike wrote:What if the Knicks look like this next year:
PG Douglas (draft)
SG Mike Miller (FA)
SF Gallo (draft)
PF Lee (draft)
C Amare (FA)
bench: Chandler (draft), Walker (trade), Raja Bell (FA), Earl Barron (FA/DLeague)

40 wins at best... write it down.

zzzZZZZzzzzZZzzz

prett much the reaction i had when u posted that roster.... if DW traded away Hill and the rights to 2 future picks just so he could end up with that he needs to retire.

hey, come on. 40 wins?

mike miller's shooting 50% - and just about that from 3's. plus he's rocking hair! we sign amare, dlee, bring back an improved gallo, healthier chandler and walker, raja, and improved td and barron, how is that not a 50-win team?

i don't think adding Amare, Miller & Raja Bell to what we had this year comes close to netting us 50 wins next year personally... Miller replaces Al Harrington's scoring pretty much, no real difference there... you're going to need a lot more than just Amare & Raja Bell to improve this team's win total by 21+ games next year.

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4/13/2010  6:22 AM
I noticed Donnie and MDA are never in the same place at the same time. They must hate each other.

Or better yet maybe they are the same person!

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