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knicks1248
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4/12/2010  5:11 PM
TMS wrote:
nixluva wrote:
TMS wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:David Lee 6 years 63mm 10.5 Per + the extra year[contract starts at 9.25]

if that's what Lee signs for i wouldn't mind re-upping him, but i think he's going to get a lot more... at least $12M per if u look at the salaries of players averaging a double double in the NBA not one of them are making anything less than that except for Gerald Wallace & he signed his contract before he had been putting up the numbers he's putting up now... Lee put up better numbers than Bogut this season & made the Allstar team but Bogut's making $12M per on his contract on average... how do u think Lee will sign for significantly less than that? if you're David Lee's agent how could you reconcile it if his client gets paid almost $3M less than Troy Murphy in 2010?

I'm just curious. Who do think will give Lee 12mil? For some reason I don't see it happening. Lee is likely going to have to wait for all the other PF's to be off the market. No one has Lee as their top guy IMO. The longer he waits I think it lowers his asking price.

i think the Knicks are the most likely suspects who will end up overpaying to keep Lee... if we miss out on the big 3 this summer, it's highly likely DW decides to extend Lee to a contract IMO... i also think the Nets will be in on Lee this summer & will be willing to spend... they are not a franchise that will attract the bignames so a guy like Lee who puts up 20 & 10 should appeal to them... put him alongside Brook Lopez & you have a nice frontcourt tandem that's pretty balanced... Lee is a nice offensive player, i've never said any different, but my wish is for DW to be very smart & very careful how he chooses to spend the cap space he worked so hard to get... we gave up a lot of future assets to get to this point, i'd hate to throw it all away just to see ourselves back in the same situation we were before during the Layden & Isiah regimes, capped out with subpar talent that won't get us to where we're looking to get to.

what has walsh done to make you think he will over pay, were so use to IT and Layden, we now think ever GM/pres we get will over pay


O yeah.. let me clear cap space so i could just over pay another player for the next 6 years....I DONT THINK SO AT ALL

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4/12/2010  5:23 PM
BRIGGS wrote:You can use Eddy Curry in a feasible trade if you wish and your pick[s] in rd 2
Chris Bosh 5 years 85mm 17mm
David Lee 6 years 63mm 10.5 Per + the extra year[contract starts at 9.25]
Shuan Livingston 3 years 18mm first two years guaranteed] contract starts at 5.75.
Earl Baron 3 years 4.5mm[1.5]
Ian Mahimini or Josh Boone 3 years 4.5mm[1.5]
opt in walker 700K
Curry and pick 37 for Richard Hamilton G Detoit
Pick 39 Jerome Randle PG California
Chris Duhon vet min
Krylo Fasenko vet minimum

Line up 9 + Mahimini and Duhon for FT
Chris Bosh
David Lee
Danilo Gallinari
Wilson Chandler
Shaun Livingston
6th Richard Hamilton
C Earl Barron
F Mahimini
F Walker
G Douglas
G Duhon


Fasenko
Randle
Unsigned SG 6-6
Unsiged PF 6-8+

Very creative...I would gave rip starting over Wilson though. Wilson could fill Harrington old role

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4/13/2010  12:40 AM
knicks1248 wrote:
TMS wrote:
nixluva wrote:
TMS wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:David Lee 6 years 63mm 10.5 Per + the extra year[contract starts at 9.25]

if that's what Lee signs for i wouldn't mind re-upping him, but i think he's going to get a lot more... at least $12M per if u look at the salaries of players averaging a double double in the NBA not one of them are making anything less than that except for Gerald Wallace & he signed his contract before he had been putting up the numbers he's putting up now... Lee put up better numbers than Bogut this season & made the Allstar team but Bogut's making $12M per on his contract on average... how do u think Lee will sign for significantly less than that? if you're David Lee's agent how could you reconcile it if his client gets paid almost $3M less than Troy Murphy in 2010?

I'm just curious. Who do think will give Lee 12mil? For some reason I don't see it happening. Lee is likely going to have to wait for all the other PF's to be off the market. No one has Lee as their top guy IMO. The longer he waits I think it lowers his asking price.

i think the Knicks are the most likely suspects who will end up overpaying to keep Lee... if we miss out on the big 3 this summer, it's highly likely DW decides to extend Lee to a contract IMO... i also think the Nets will be in on Lee this summer & will be willing to spend... they are not a franchise that will attract the bignames so a guy like Lee who puts up 20 & 10 should appeal to them... put him alongside Brook Lopez & you have a nice frontcourt tandem that's pretty balanced... Lee is a nice offensive player, i've never said any different, but my wish is for DW to be very smart & very careful how he chooses to spend the cap space he worked so hard to get... we gave up a lot of future assets to get to this point, i'd hate to throw it all away just to see ourselves back in the same situation we were before during the Layden & Isiah regimes, capped out with subpar talent that won't get us to where we're looking to get to.

what has walsh done to make you think he will over pay, were so use to IT and Layden, we now think ever GM/pres we get will over pay


O yeah.. let me clear cap space so i could just over pay another player for the next 6 years....I DONT THINK SO AT ALL

please read the bold.

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4/13/2010  9:56 AM
Alright, first choice is the all-in move. I would offer New Orleans Eddy Curry, Wilson Chandler, Toney Douglas and Giddens for Chris Paul. If they won't take Curry, I would offer to absorb Paul's contract and offer them Chandler and Giddens. Either way, I would get Chris Paul to run Mike's offense (if he is at all available). Even given his injury record, I do not think there is a better player that is "available" after James and Wade.

This is my fantasy, so assume they take back Curry and we give up Chandler, Douglas and Giddens.
Now, I can no longer sign two max free agents (unless the cap stays at $57,000,000). But, I would offer Bosh and Amare each as close to the max as possible. Both are 5 years with ETOs after 3.

Now, I have used all my cap space (not including cap holds) and I only have 5 position players, I start offering vet's minimum contracts using the vet's minimum exception to fill in the roster.

First, Earl Barron
Second, Jonathan Bender
Third, Tracy McGrady
Fourth, Jermaine O'Neal
Fifth, Ray Allen
Sixth, Raja Bell, etc...

My plan is to leverage the star power (sometimes construed as the starphuck) to fill in the roster with veterans seeking rings. We can draft whoever Briggs wants with the second rd picks. If we get three guys, the rest will sort itself out.

Player	        2010 Salary
Chris Paul 14,940,152.00
Chris Bosh 15,792,000.00
Amare Stoudemire 15,793,671.00
Cap Hold 473,604.00
Cap Hold 473,604.00
Bill Walker 854,389.00
Second Rd Draft Pick 473,604.00
Second Rd Draft Pick 473,604.00
Cap Hold 473,604.00
Danilo Gallinari 3,304,560.00
Cap Hold 473,604.00
Cap Hold 473,604.00

Total 54,000,000.00
Salary Cap 54,000,000.00
Cap Space Available 0.00


PG Chris Paul
SG Bill Walker
SF Danilo Gallinari
PF Chris Bosh
C Amare Stoudemire
PG/SG
SG/SF
SF/PF
PF/C
Bench
Bench
Bench
Bench
IR
IR
IR

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martin
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4/13/2010  10:01 AM
EwingsGlass wrote:Alright, first choice is the all-in move. I would offer New Orleans Eddy Curry, Wilson Chandler, Toney Douglas and Giddens for Chris Paul. If they won't take Curry, I would offer to absorb Paul's contract and offer them Chandler and Giddens. Either way, I would get Chris Paul to run Mike's offense (if he is at all available). Even given his injury record, I do not think there is a better player that is "available" after James and Wade.

Like the idea, but I would guess that to get Chris Paul, not only would you have to give up some nice pieces but you would also have to absorb another big contract so that they could save money. Just my guess.

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4/13/2010  10:43 AM
martin wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:Alright, first choice is the all-in move. I would offer New Orleans Eddy Curry, Wilson Chandler, Toney Douglas and Giddens for Chris Paul. If they won't take Curry, I would offer to absorb Paul's contract and offer them Chandler and Giddens. Either way, I would get Chris Paul to run Mike's offense (if he is at all available). Even given his injury record, I do not think there is a better player that is "available" after James and Wade.

Like the idea, but I would guess that to get Chris Paul, not only would you have to give up some nice pieces but you would also have to absorb another big contract so that they could save money. Just my guess.

I think you are right martin. CP3 and Okafor for Curry(Ending Contract), Chandler, TD, Giddens, 2nd round pick.

That is a lot of contract coming back but I think CP3 is worth the gamble. Sign DLee for 10-12 per year. Sign Barron

PG-CP3/Sergio
SG-Walker
SF-Gallo
PF-DLee
C-Okafor, Barron

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4/13/2010  10:44 AM
BRIGGS wrote:You can use Eddy Curry in a feasible trade if you wish and your pick[s] in rd 2
Chris Bosh 5 years 85mm 17mm
David Lee 6 years 63mm 10.5 Per + the extra year[contract starts at 9.25]
Shuan Livingston 3 years 18mm first two years guaranteed] contract starts at 5.75.
Earl Baron 3 years 4.5mm[1.5]
Ian Mahimini or Josh Boone 3 years 4.5mm[1.5]
opt in walker 700K
Curry and pick 37 for Richard Hamilton G Detoit
Pick 39 Jerome Randle PG California
Chris Duhon vet min
Krylo Fasenko vet minimum

Line up 9 + Mahimini and Duhon for FT
Chris Bosh
David Lee
Danilo Gallinari
Wilson Chandler
Shaun Livingston
6th Richard Hamilton
C Earl Barron
F Mahimini
F Walker
G Douglas
G Duhon


Fasenko
Randle
Unsigned SG 6-6
Unsiged PF 6-8+

It looks like a good plan until I see you signed Dudu.

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4/13/2010  10:58 AM
NYKBocker wrote:
martin wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:Alright, first choice is the all-in move. I would offer New Orleans Eddy Curry, Wilson Chandler, Toney Douglas and Giddens for Chris Paul. If they won't take Curry, I would offer to absorb Paul's contract and offer them Chandler and Giddens. Either way, I would get Chris Paul to run Mike's offense (if he is at all available). Even given his injury record, I do not think there is a better player that is "available" after James and Wade.

Like the idea, but I would guess that to get Chris Paul, not only would you have to give up some nice pieces but you would also have to absorb another big contract so that they could save money. Just my guess.

I think you are right martin. CP3 and Okafor for Curry(Ending Contract), Chandler, TD, Giddens, 2nd round pick.

That is a lot of contract coming back but I think CP3 is worth the gamble. Sign DLee for 10-12 per year. Sign Barron

PG-CP3/Sergio
SG-Walker
SF-Gallo
PF-DLee
C-Okafor, Barron

I would would do the Curry/OK4 swap in addition, if I had to. Not sure why NO swaps Curry for OK4 (they could have kept Ty Chandler), but in the context of a full salary dump, it makes sense.

I think that OK4 makes Lee a bit redundant. I would rather put Bosh next to OK4 since Bosh is more used to double teams.

Under this scenario, you still have $3.8m to spend. I wonder if a guy like Anthony Morrow would take that?

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4/13/2010  11:10 AM
most of this seems pretty pie in the sky to me.

Walsh is a guy who gets players his coach will want. He did it with Isiah, Larry Brown and I think he will do it with MDA.
Lee 9 (6 years $70mm)
Gallo 3.3
Chandler 2.1
Douglas 1
Curry 11.3
Walker 0.85 (pick up his option)
Barron 1.5 (2 year guarenteed deal)
Amare 17 (5 years $100mm)
Livingston 2 (2 year guarenteed deal)
Mike Miller 6 (4 years $27mm)
cap hold 0.45 (2nd rounder)
cap hold 0.45 (2nd rounder)

total 54.95

Your 2010 team would look like this:
PG Douglas
SG Mike Miller
SF Gallo
PF Lee
C Amare
bench: Chandler, Livingston, Earl Barron, Walker

Why:
Mike Miller is a poor man's Joe Johnson. He's a great playmaker. He can essentially play PG. That makes us bette because it lets Douglas play off the ball and defend/press opposing PGs. It improves our defense because it frees Douglas up. He's also a deadly 3 point shooter.

It gives you 3 athletic versatile bench guys. Chandler can get 30+ minutes off the bench and sub for any starter. Barron gives you size.

You start a big skilled frontcourt. Lee and Amare are going to give 40/20 a night and score at well over 50%. Thats a good start. It puts two great shooters in Miller and Gallo on the floor and creates tons of matchup problems.

You have two all star bigmen surrounded by shooters.

You have some nice cheap parts to package with Curry come trade deadline for a bigtime player. You will have some good young guys to parlay w/ Eddy's expiring $12mm

I think this is a 45-50 win team, with good upside and flexibility to improve. Short of landing a mega star I think this is a good realistic start.

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4/13/2010  3:02 PM
what do you think it will cost us to sign jerome to come off the bench?
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4/13/2010  3:05 PM
Marv wrote:what do you think it will cost us to sign jerome to come off the bench?

I would start Jerome. Set the table and the tone with the big game. Then let Lee or Amare come off the bench. No brainer
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4/13/2010  3:09 PM
fishmike wrote:
Marv wrote:what do you think it will cost us to sign jerome to come off the bench?

I would start Jerome. Set the table and the tone with the big game. Then let Lee or Amare come off the bench. No brainer

man. you are one forward thinker.

Take your 36mm and spend it the way you want to--caveta--NO LBJ or Wade

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