TMS wrote:i pretty much know how it's going to go if our team stands pat the way it is now... defensive breakdowns on the interior all season long, more of the pointing of fingers & bickering at each other for missing defensive assignments in the paint, guys not being happy with the amount of touches they're getting, confusion by guys in what roles they're expected to play in this offense, & i'm projecting a regression by Curry rather than furthered progress in his development w/the addition of Zach... they'd be lucky to win 40 games next season IMO

feel free to disagree, but that's how i see it going down.

TMS wrote:

Posted by nixluva:

Posted by TMS:

WOW! All of that huh? Don't you think that's laying it on a bit thick with the negativity? I mean really! We didn't see much of that last year when things were worse.

when you take off the rose colored glasses & actually watch a game, you'll see that that sort of thing happened a lot more than you think it did last year... there's a reason why this team only won 33 games last year dude.

Yeah and a lot of the same things won't be happening this year. Steph and Frye slumped early and Curry hadn't fully emerged to the level of confidence he woud eventually gain. Jeffries was hurt as well and basically the team just didn't play well. The crazy home losses etc. I think those same factors won't be there next season. I think this team will come in much more confident and understanding what they need to do. The 33 wins has NOTHING to do with how they'll play next season. The circumstances that brought about that record won't all be there this time. While some problems remain not all of them do. Also we have to allow for a little internal growth.

The thing about the interior defense is that despite the general opinions about it, this team got killed WAY more by the 3pt shot than by some lack of interior D. It was the perimeter defense that came unglued far too often. But there's another thing that many fail to notice. We came back in a lot of games this year and to do that this team had to at some point play some D. Our main problem was consistent D and starting games with the right level of intensity. We didn't seem to get it until we were down and then we'd step up the effort for a while to get back into the game. We more than anything need a more consistent effort level and focus on D. That coupled with fewer TO's will give us just what we need to win games. IF we can shave 3 pts off of that 100 PPG allowed, that would be great. It's not outside of this teams ability to do either.

i have no problem with you being optimistic about next season... i'm telling u the reasons why i happen to think this Zach trade was just the same old type of trade that's hunkered this franchise down with unmanageable cap killing contracts of non impact type players that have kept us from putting together a viable contender for the past several years... you're free to have your own take on it... i really don't know why it's such a problem for some of you to accept that not everyone on this forum shares in the same optimism that you have for this team next year.

TMS wrote:any moron who wants to go lilly googoo gaga excited about this trade deserves the 4 years of mediocrity that it's bound to bear... unless Isiah gets himself a true franchise player to build around, we can bring in all the Zach Randolph's in the world & we're not going to have anything to show for it except a few meaningless 1st round exits out of the playoffs.

TMS wrote:

Posted by nixluva:

Posted by TMS:

Posted by kam77:

like i said, Isiah can manage to trade for Kobe in another deal, then i'll be perfectly fine w/the Zach trade... the whole goal for me is to acquire that franchise player to build around.

See, i misunderstood. I thought you were against the Zach trade. But seeing this... makes me think you're willing to be patient and see where this goes.

no, you're right, i am against the trade, unless Isiah manages to land himself a franchise star via trade... that's the whole reason behind me bringing up cap flexibility to begin with.

So basically Isiah has to get either Duncan, Kobe, KG, DWade, Lebron, Oden or Durant? Who else are we really talking about as a Franchise star? Or do you mean another All Star level player? I believe if that's the case that Zach qualifies.

in order to justify this Zach Randolph trade, yeah... otherwise i would have preferred we'd just bought out or let Francis' contract come off the books, or at the very least wait until next year when his contract would have better trade value so that he could make a play for someone who makes more sense for this franchise than a guy like Zach Randolph, who not only comes with all kinds of off the court baggage, but also doesn't solve any of the team's biggest needs that need to be filled & ISN'T good enough to be considered a player to build your franchise around either.

i think this is about the 20th time i've explained this to you in the past couple days & you're still asking me why i'm against this trade.

TMS wrote:

Cosmic wrote:

TMS wrote:just for future reference, if ur going to keep lying about my opinions don't bother engaging me in these discussions

Just for future reference. Maybe you ought to write down your opinions so when someone questions you then you can go back and see you did indeed say what you've been confronted about.

If you don't want to talk ball with me then stop replying to my posts.

That's very simple.

as shown above, perhaps you need to know whose comments you're referring to before accusing someone else of making them... i dunno if you're mistaking me for MS or someone else who may have made those comments (& i'm not even sure they did), but i was definitely not the one you're talking about... when you're ready to apologize, feel free.

nixluva!!! hahahah... most optimistic fan i have ever seen. even IT could do no wrong.

TMS wrote:

Cosmic wrote:

TMS wrote:

But then again you're a fan of Crawford, Zach, Nate, and Jordan Hill, so I don't expect you to side with the Knicks on anything because we have traded away all the guys you liked over the past two years. Which I understand. I disagree but I understand. To each their own. As usual I disagree with you.

again, more lies coming out of your fat mouth... yes, i liked Jamal but supported the trade to unload his contract... i was the biggest OPPONENT of acquiring Zach from the start & wanted him gone, but as usual u resort to lying to make some inane point... i maintained from the very beginning that Nate & MDA would never work out & that Nate would have to go, but again, who cares about silly things like the truth when you have some idiotic point to make?

What lies? You went nuts over the Jamal and Zach trades. Yes you did. Saying we were 6-3 and we were going to the playoffs and Walsh screwed us all. You've gone nuts over the Hill trade three times a day every day. You went crazy over the Nate trade saying we took back trash for a great player and handed Boston the chip.

Lying? I don't think so. I think you forget what you've said in the past.

stop the lies, you're making urself look like a jackass

here's just a couple of threads that pretty much sums up what i thought about the Zach Randolph trade... if u don't believe actual posts u can ask around anyone who was around when that trade went down & they'll tell u i was the most vocal OPPONENT of the Zach trade from the very beginning.

http://ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=22303
http://ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=22281&page=2

please show me 1 comment i ever made that i was upset that Jamal & Zach were traded... i bet you can't find one.

i'll be happy to post up the threads where i posted about Nate's blockhead idiotic shenanigans & stated him & MDA would never work out if you'd like... i'd also be happy to post the comments i made where i said after i saw the player Bill Walker was that i was completely satisfied w/what we got back in the Nate trade & couldn't have expected much more.

you are right in 1 point only, i have been very upset over how Jordan Hill was handled this season, i've made no secret about that... that doesn't excuse you lying to try & cover your ass... that's not cool.

great old threads... the first post in 22281 is classic.

again, more lies coming out of your fat mouth...

I'm debating on whether I'm going to make this my signature or not.

Pharzeone wrote:ROFL at this thread.

it's weird, i've been repeating the same things over & over for years about the types of trades i am looking for this franchise to make to the point where guys accuse me of belaboring it to the point of nausea (which i admittedly do) but some guys apparently still don't know where i stand on certain issues... i guess i need to step up my efforts to get my message across.

just to touch on Jordan Hill one more again btw the bolded parts pretty much explain why i was so frustrated at how that whole situation was mishandled by DW & MDA:

TMS wrote:11/21/2008 10:14 PM
Zach & Jamal weren't gonna lead this team anywhere... we needed to make a trade like this to open up other options in the coming years... now all that's left to do is dump Curry & to make sure we make good use of the draft pick this year.

TMS wrote:11/21/2008 10:46 PM
i don't see how u can reason that we just made it harder on ourselves to acquire a franchise championship calibre player in the draft by making these trades... if anything it helps our chances of landing 1 w/the pick we already own for this year's draft... we didn't give up any picks in this trade & all the players we got back are pure stopgaps, not guys that are gonna improve us over the next year or 2... this is all about cap room & flexibility, it has no negative effect at all on our draft positioning this year, if anything it will improve it.

btw Cosmic, anytime you're ready with that apology bro... take your time to find the right words.

this ain't even about me worrying about my internet persona... just get your damn facts straight... no one likes to have their comments twisted & misrepresented... you've complained when people do it to you, so i would expect you to know where i'm coming from on this.

again, if you know i've made these comments you're referring to, then show me... because i for damn sure know i have never supported Isiah's trade for Zach Randolph, i have never criticized Donnie Walsh for trading Zach & Jamal away, & after the Nate trade was made & we all got to see the type of player Bill Walker was i praised Donnie Walsh multiple times for getting as good as we could have expected to get back under the circumstances even after some initial criticism that i threw at him for that ridiculous conditional 2nd round pick.

i have no idea where the hell you're drawing these delusions from about these so called comments of mine that you supposedly know for a fact i've made on this forum... maybe you've been smoking some funny stuff on the side & having some hallucinations of some kind, who knows, but don't go around misrepresenting my comments... i take a lot of time to explain my viewpoints around here & i don't need jokers like you twisting sheit that i never said, capeesh?

you are a classic example of someone who once you get an idea into your head, you are completely inflexible to any one telling you different, regardless if they present all the evidence to the contrary... LMFAO at you digging yourself deeper & deeper into jack ass territory with your "I know it exists" crap about Zach & Jamal... ok son, whatever you say... sheit must exist someplace in the fantasy land you live in, cuz it damn sure doesn't exist anywhere on these forums... how the hell can i go & look for comments to highlight that i've never made? HELLO NEWMAN!!! like i said, go look them up if you're so damn sure that they exist, otherwise STFU!

as for Jordan Hill, i dunno why the fak you think you can tell other people how they should feel about a #8 lottery pick who was completely mishandled & dumped as salary filler during a season where we were supposedly rebuilding, but not everyone has bought into your "expert" analysis of his upside potential based on the 1 time you saw him twiddling his dreadlocks during a timeout... ROTFFL @ you labelling anyone who doesn't feel the same as you do as a Knick hatter & Isiah fan!

the lengths you will go to to defend your delusions are mindboggling, making up things as you go along to present some kind of idiotic point that anyone who disagrees with Donnie Walsh or Mike D'Antoni's decisions this year has zero knowledge of basketball & are not entitled to voicing their concerns. you continually take cheap shots at people who present an opposing viewpoint & then go hiding behind your "I don't take this stuff seriously" bullsheit to make light of it... meanwhile you go & write some 10 page diatribe against the "whiners & complainers" every 2 goddamn 2 seconds insulting their integrity, lying about their views, misrepresenting their arguments & taking up some kind of message board vigil against all the infidel hatters that exist on the forums like you're God's appointed crusader... well, if that's what helps you sleep at night & makes you feel important, have at it... you are now the only person on my ignore list... in all the years of my posting here i have never felt the need for an ignore button, but in your case i'ma make the sole exception... in closing i'd just like to say, go FAK yourself dude... i'm done with you.