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Paladin55
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4/7/2010  9:18 AM
The issue regarding Hill is not necessarily about how good he may, or may not, become, but how much of a chance he got in a Knicks uniform, and the fact that the coach of a team that was going nowhere chose not to give him consistent minutes.

As some have also pointed out, even if it was to our long-term benefit to give Hill up to clear up some cap space for next year, the fact that he did not get a chance to show much with us meant that Houston could demand, and get, a future # 1 and swap rights for next year's pick. Walsh could not argue that Hill was enough for Houston to take on Jeffrie's contract without draft considerations, based on what he had shown on the floor for us.

MDA's coaching decisions come under scrutiny in this scenerio- I doubt if Walsh would have stepped in if MDA was giving Hill 20MPG on a regular basis the entire time he was with us.

I'm on board with the general theme behind Walsh's decisions and our clearing cap space plan, but he would have had more leverage if Hill's value had been built up prior to our decision to trade him. Add to this the fact that many folks on UD dumped on Hill as a pick and as a player without really seeing what he was capable of doing, and you have the rational for a thread like this one.

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Nalod
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4/7/2010  9:41 AM
Rockets season flushed out three weeks ago and Hill is getting minutes.

I have my ear to the ground and there is no "Buzz around the league" for this kid.

kam77
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4/7/2010  12:14 PM
crzymdups wrote:threads like this are really pathetic.

its that time of the month.

lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
TMS
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4/7/2010  12:43 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/7/2010  12:48 PM
Uptown wrote:
TMS wrote:
crzymdups wrote:threads like this are really pathetic.

a post like that adds nothing & u'r calling people out for being pathetic? if u don't wish to participate don't... what the hell is there to talk about these days? Earl Barron? until we see what happens this summer you're going to see threads like this so get used to it.

You are right there isn't much to talk about, but must we continue to rehash the same sh!!t over and over? There are a bunch of Jordan Hill threads already. Whats the point of pointing out what Jeffries did only to get into another Jordan Hill debate?

if someone wants to talk about how our lottery pick from last year is doing who is anyone to begrudge them? like i said if u want to talk about Earl Barron, there is a 3 page thread talking about him on the front page, have at it... would it have been better if someone had bumped a week old thread about Jordan Hill to bring up the subject again? then you'd have board wise asses like kam & crzymdups calling them pathetic whiners for bringing up the subject again with useless one liner responses that add nothing to the discussion... you guys talk as if there were 10 different threads on Jordan Hill cluttering up the front page... there's a goddamn thread about Leprechauns & no one complains but anytime someone mentions Darko or Jordan Hill, all hell breaks loose... Childs4Dudley is still posting up threads complaining about Jerome Big Turd James & yet he gets on people for bringing up guys we lost just a couple months ago in 1 of the biggest trades this franchise has made in decades... there's consistency for ya.

here's an idea, how about people stop bitching about other people bitching & talk about whatever the fuk you guys wanna talk about? if the mods don't shut down the thread, what business does anyone else have about complaining about it? if this forum was only filled with sycophantic pro-Knick threads it would become a boring place real quick, trust me... it's always good to have an alternate viewpoint on any issue, even when those opinions are negative ones.

After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
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4/7/2010  7:17 PM
Cosmic wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
Sangfroid wrote:This is nice, but maybe J Hill should have spent time in the D League. His replacement just pulled down 18 boards and chipped in 17 pointm Not to mention a couple of nice hustle plays for good measure.
Hill never got the minutes Barron got tonight. MDA played him 19 minutes once. He had so many inexcusable dnps. Barron fits the mold of a guy D'Antoni warms up to quickly. He is a vet, mature, and there isn't a learning curve.

Inexcusable? The guy was a raw, out of shape, shaky rookie. Had we not done the trade Hill would be getting decent minutes for us by now. Besides, he's a Houston Rocket now. Don't know the fascination with endlessly tracking players that have been traded and trying to use any good game they have as a shot at the Knicks, you know the team you root for?

We have a plan and Jordan Hill had to be sent out to give the plan the best chance at success. Whether or not that backfires remains to be seen. But if dumping Hill's 2.7M becomes the key to a blockbuster offseason I don't want to hear about him even if he drops 50 some day. Also I saw no reason to pick a forward and no reason to play a forward, especially a shaky one, over Lee, Harrington, Chandler, Gallo, etc. No coach would do that. Especially when the rookie clearly wasn't ready to play. Now he seems to be and now he's getting minutes but let us not make him out to be some smooth player killing the NBA. He's not.

I am not sure what you knew about Hill that all of the draft gurus didn't. I also am not convinced that Hill would be getting minutes. Douglas didn't get minutes until Walsh traveled with the team to evaluate the players and coaching staff. D'Antoni should have been playing Hill. The Knicks were never playing for anything other than developing players for the future. The fact that the 8th pick in the draft and another first round pick had to be traded to move Jeffries is because D'Antoni had devalued Hill so much. Hill is having a nice second month to his nba season in Houston and as he has gotten minutes his game has improved.
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