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Anji
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4/7/2010  2:53 PM
Well I don't know if the knicks are thinking home run or a two doubles, but a guy like Livingston if healthy could be exactly the type of guard that would allow the knicks to start TD. Height, Ball handing and passing.

Won't win a title, but could be a building block to the future.

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4/7/2010  3:03 PM
I don't think we believe that we can improve the team through any other means than hitting the jackpot--and that is not true.

^ I'm not sure that is true. I think the Knicks put themselves in a position for a jackpot. The Jeffries trade resonates that the Knicks are looking more for the jackpot in 2010 than the gradual team building that has made teams like San Antonio a force for so long. But the positioning toward a jackpot isn't fully at the expense of gradual team building and finding value in other players. Walsh has historically worked toward finding sleepers on other teams' rosters.

I can agree that the current management was far to near-sighted by playing Duhon, Jeffries etc... at the expense of developing rookies. Nor did they do a great job of bolstering the roster with non-guaranteed contracts and/or vet minimum contracts.

I'm not sure that you can blame the Knicks for not signing Barron sooner-- that seems like quite the pessimistic view. And lets be honest, before we anoint Barron as the new center of the future, he's had 1 good game and 1 great game. I am hopeful that he will continue to play at that level, but I think we need to wait and see.

But his immediate playing time for Barron makes you wonder what he wasn't seeing in Jordan Hill. It has been a D'antoni sticking point that players must be in top notch physical condition to earn time. He, unfortunately, seems to value that over skill. See his treatment of Duhon and Jeffries for examples. But guys with conditioning and skill never sit. See David Lee.

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4/7/2010  3:20 PM
IF we do sign LeBron, Douglas is a good pg to play with him. He can hit an open shot, run the floor and play great d. We'd be running the offense through LeBron, so Douglas's passing skills aren't that much of an issue.
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4/7/2010  3:24 PM

IM thinking with Tmac its like Dice returning. Just gonna take more than one season. If we don't want to do that (This is what I think MDA is saying) then we don't do it.

Livinston is playing on a garbage team right now and tow weeks does not a season make.

Im not sure about how much it would take to get him or the kind of minutes he can sustain.

He was signed to go to Duke. Interesting.

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4/7/2010  3:25 PM
EwingsGlass wrote:But his immediate playing time for Barron makes you wonder what he wasn't seeing in Jordan Hill. It has been a D'antoni sticking point that players must be in top notch physical condition to earn time. He, unfortunately, seems to value that over skill. See his treatment of Duhon and Jeffries for examples. But guys with conditioning and skill never sit. See David Lee.

i don't agree... MDA plays who he wants to play, i have yet to see any rhyme or reason behind some of his decisions... guys that came into the season severely out of shape & playing poorly like Chris Duhon got a huge amount of playing time... guys that were in top physical condition but not playing the style of ball he wanted got benched like Nate... other guys that were in the rotation at one point found themselves in the doghouse after an injury, yet other guys who were hampered with severely limited physical ability & playing poorly still got playing time like Jonathan Bender... there was no logical consistency or method to MDA's rotation management this season & that's a big part of why people have criticized him.

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4/7/2010  5:28 PM
I don't think Coach D is completely arbitrary. I think he favors veterans and players who are up to his conditioning requirements. I don't recall Duhon being "out of shape" (though I vividly remember him playing poorly). You might have a good point with Bender. Not sure how he cracked the rotation. I wouldn't exaggerate to say that there was a pattern of randomly playing guys with these 'physical limitations'- if you want to include McGrady, I might agree. But players like Nate, Hughes, Marbury, etc... who were in good physical condition but didn't play might have been more about player/coach conflicts. But, I would have to side with the coach on this one.
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4/7/2010  6:34 PM
TMS wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:But his immediate playing time for Barron makes you wonder what he wasn't seeing in Jordan Hill. It has been a D'antoni sticking point that players must be in top notch physical condition to earn time. He, unfortunately, seems to value that over skill. See his treatment of Duhon and Jeffries for examples. But guys with conditioning and skill never sit. See David Lee.

i don't agree... MDA plays who he wants to play, i have yet to see any rhyme or reason behind some of his decisions... guys that came into the season severely out of shape & playing poorly like Chris Duhon got a huge amount of playing time... guys that were in top physical condition but not playing the style of ball he wanted got benched like Nate... other guys that were in the rotation at one point found themselves in the doghouse after an injury, yet other guys who were hampered with severely limited physical ability & playing poorly still got playing time like Jonathan Bender... there was no logical consistency or method to MDA's rotation management this season & that's a big part of why people have criticized him.

Before coming here MDA wasn't known as a guy who messed around with rotations. He was known for being rigid in his rotations almost to a fault. He was successful playing his short rotation of guys he knew very well and trusted. I fully expect a return to that once he has better players mixed in with our returning guys.

One thing adding Barron shows is that you can keep Lee and just go after a single Max guys and maybe Camby to hold down the middle next to Lee. One thing that would do is maintain some continuity from this year to next in terms of the bulk of the roster. TD, Lee, Gallo, Chan are known very well by MDA and they know the system. That would help to speed up the process of building chemistry with new guys.

They could try something like:

Lebron
Livingston 5.5 mil ?
Gallo
Lee 11.5 mil ?
Camby Or maybe Tyrus Thomas 6 mil ?

TMS
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4/7/2010  6:42 PM
Lebron
Livingston 5.5 mil ?
Gallo
Lee 11.5 mil ?
Camby Or maybe Tyrus Thomas 6 mil ?

i'll pretty much take any team with Lebron on it, i don't care if we have to sign Joe Johnson or D Lee to the max to get it done... the one thing i am hoping for is that regardless if we miss out on Lebron & Wade or not, i want a team built with good balance & depth next season... no more of these crappy interior defensive teams like the ones we've had in recent years... we need shotblockers & perimeter defenders to complement the shooters & offensive players... i hope MDA is not so stuck on going after any certain type of player that he fails to address those obvious needs this summer.

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4/7/2010  7:11 PM
TMS wrote:
Lebron
Livingston 5.5 mil ?
Gallo
Lee 11.5 mil ?
Camby Or maybe Tyrus Thomas 6 mil ?

i'll pretty much take any team with Lebron on it, i don't care if we have to sign Joe Johnson or D Lee to the max to get it done... the one thing i am hoping for is that regardless if we miss out on Lebron & Wade or not, i want a team built with good balance & depth next season... no more of these crappy interior defensive teams like the ones we've had in recent years... we need shotblockers & perimeter defenders to complement the shooters & offensive players... i hope MDA is not so stuck on going after any certain type of player that he fails to address those obvious needs this summer.

I think you can be sure that MDA would've been happy for a stud C that was ready to get it done. We didn't have that, so I wouldn't hold that against him. He played Shaq a good 29 MPG when he had him, which at the pace they play at is a lot. Big's will know how and skills will excel in this system, which uses Pick N roll/pop so much. I don't expect that he'll want to add a big slow bruising guy. He'll prefer an athletic agile guy that can cover lots of ground and deal with quicks. There's nothing wrong with that. Camby, Ty Thomas, Noah, types

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4/7/2010  10:50 PM
No way in hell is Shaun Livingston worth two max contracts. Maybe 1yr, 3mil.
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4/9/2010  10:46 PM
I think this would be a good move. I haven't watched him much but stat wise he has been doing fantastic. He is still a young guy and he seems to have made it back. The way things are looking Walsh is going to have to be very smart with his cap space. Livingston looks like a great fit. I know Washington signed him to a couple of 10 day contracts before committing to him for the remainder of the season. Was he in d-league prior to that?
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Shaun Livingston and the two max contract

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