TMS wrote:
can u elaborate on what you'll be doing this summer just in case we fail in free agency? the other hundred takes of yours on the same lame joke didn't seem to get the message across.

I'm not really sure. I've almost completely lost interest in the Knicks and basketball in general, & I no longer get MSG, so I don't see the games. Maybe if the Knicks get LeBron or something, I'll get interested again. On the other hand, those extra 2.5 - 3 hours per night are useful for other activities.

sebstar wrote:

sidsanders wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

sidsanders wrote:

arkrud wrote:

TMS wrote:again, i have yet to see anyone not acknowledge the fact that DW got back good value in the Nate Robinson trade after the fact... u'r just reaching for any reason to take cheap shots at anyone who's been critical of the job he's done in other moves he's made... but hey, if it makes u feel better to do so, be my guest.

Some fans do not like what Walsh and Mike did, others are OK with it, and some are supportive to what Knicks management is doing.
This is all normal.
To me it means that Mike and Walsh are working and trying. They do make mistakes. People always do when they are really working on something.
So lets wait for results which will come no earlier that 2 years from now....

isnt that a bit excessive? hey, if they hit all the main targets THIS offseason and win a title (best case scenario), do we need to wait 2 years from now to say it was a success? i cant think of what you would call a well run pro sports franchise that would give folks 4 years before any judgement could be made

Let me help you with that one, you would call it a "well run pro sports franchise".

errr no... well run orgs dont allow a FO/coach to operate for 4 years with no expectations/goals/etc. point being the knicks havent been well run so maybe under that idea i can see how you could go 4 years like that. why would that be a good idea??

4 years?

Tells you all you need to know about how some around here are more than comfortable to keep moving the goalposts back farther and farther and remove all accountability.

u got cats calling people delusional for expecting results this summer after 3 years of waiting... it's ridiculous how far some of these guys will reach to make up excuses for management... if u can't start showing positive results after 3 years u need to step the fuk down & open the way for someone else to do the job.

BasketballJones wrote:

TMS wrote:
can u elaborate on what you'll be doing this summer just in case we fail in free agency? the other hundred takes of yours on the same lame joke didn't seem to get the message across.

I'm not really sure. I've almost completely lost interest in the Knicks and basketball in general, & I no longer get MSG, so I don't see the games. Maybe if the Knicks get LeBron or something, I'll get interested again. On the other hand, those extra 2.5 - 3 hours per night are useful for other activities.

oh good god don't wimp out now. you promised us some tar and feathering and we DEMAND SATISFACTION!!

The players who he sort of out cast from the team have not been successful enough to say he went about it the wrong way. for-god-sake- Steph is playing in china, and the others are after thoughts on there respective teams. Saying darko, and hill are having success on a team that has been well under .500 since there arrival is stupid.

It's not like we had a John salmons pin to the bench or caron butler, we had head cases that obviously are selfish players and don't no how to win.

When Breen ask MDA how he motivate his team, and he responded (in so many words) that the pay check should be motivation enough. It gave me the sense that he expects guys to be ready, sharp, in shape, unselfish, play hard and not have to be told the simple things that you practice every day, his offensive is a free flowing offense in which players have to be discipline. He's not much of a Hand-on coach.

TMS wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:I'm just saying, it's funny how MDA was targeted for handling our players wrong and sort of disrespecting

The players who he sort of out cast from the team have not been successful enough to say he went about it the wrong way. for-god-sake- Steph is playing in china, and the others are after thoughts on there respective teams. Saying darko, and hill are having success on a team that has been well under .500 since there arrival is stupid.

It's not like we had a John salmons pin to the bench or caron butler, we had head cases that obviously are selfish players and don't no how to win.

When Breen ask MDA how he motivate his team, and he responded (in so many words) that the pay check should be motivation enough. It gave me the sense that he expects guys to be ready, sharp, in shape, unselfish, play hard and not have to be told the simple things that you practice every day, his offensive is a free flowing offense in which players have to be discipline. He's not much of a Hand-on coach.

so wait, when Nate was playing out of his mind as a Knick last year & u had cats so hyped up they were calling him the MVP & whatnot, u telling me u thought he was nothing but a flash in the pan who didn't know how to win? is John Salmons capable of taking over a game & carrying a team to victory the way Nate can on any given night? Salmons was averaging 13 ppg before the trade... since he's been in MIL he's been averaging 20 a night... sometimes u get put into the ideal situation & it brings the best out of you... obviously the opportunity for Nate to put up numbers is not there for him in Boston on a team full of veterans that have a set rotation in place... on a different team that would have used him in a more major role, there's no telling if he could have had a huge positive impact on them either.

btw, the Rockets are 9W-8L in games Jordan Hill has played in since the trade... 8W-6L in games where Jordan Hill has seen 10+ minutes, 6W-3L in games where he's seen 20+ minutes... seems like the more minutes he sees, the better the Rockets' record has been, so that would seem to discount your theory that he hasn't been a good acquisition for them.

The rockets are out of the playoffs and have been for the last week or so, and Nate had plenty of chance's to do what he does best in NY, but he is a defensive liabilty and thats why he's been regulated to the bench. Yeah they have some vets ahead of him, but were talking about a team that thinks defense 1st. Nate's biggest weakness on defense is that he see's the ball and not he's man almost every time, and since he so quick(not to smart) he should have at least be leading the league in steals. He goes under screens way too many times and gives up the 3 ball or the lane at will.

Saying nate needs to be put in a better situation for him to excel...well you can say that about half the league. If your a great player your game will travel with you

TMS wrote:

sebstar wrote:

sidsanders wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

sidsanders wrote:

arkrud wrote:

TMS wrote:again, i have yet to see anyone not acknowledge the fact that DW got back good value in the Nate Robinson trade after the fact... u'r just reaching for any reason to take cheap shots at anyone who's been critical of the job he's done in other moves he's made... but hey, if it makes u feel better to do so, be my guest.

Some fans do not like what Walsh and Mike did, others are OK with it, and some are supportive to what Knicks management is doing.
This is all normal.
To me it means that Mike and Walsh are working and trying. They do make mistakes. People always do when they are really working on something.
So lets wait for results which will come no earlier that 2 years from now....

isnt that a bit excessive? hey, if they hit all the main targets THIS offseason and win a title (best case scenario), do we need to wait 2 years from now to say it was a success? i cant think of what you would call a well run pro sports franchise that would give folks 4 years before any judgement could be made

Let me help you with that one, you would call it a "well run pro sports franchise".

errr no... well run orgs dont allow a FO/coach to operate for 4 years with no expectations/goals/etc. point being the knicks havent been well run so maybe under that idea i can see how you could go 4 years like that. why would that be a good idea??

4 years?

Tells you all you need to know about how some around here are more than comfortable to keep moving the goalposts back farther and farther and remove all accountability.

u got cats calling people delusional for expecting results this summer after 3 years of waiting... it's ridiculous how far some of these guys will reach to make up excuses for management... if u can't start showing positive results after 3 years u need to step the fuk down & open the way for someone else to do the job.

No idea how changing management every three years is ever going to get anything done, but lets keep screaming for people to get fired so we can do the same **** all over again. That will cure world hunger, it will.

loweyecue wrote:

sidsanders wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

sidsanders wrote:

arkrud wrote:

TMS wrote:again, i have yet to see anyone not acknowledge the fact that DW got back good value in the Nate Robinson trade after the fact... u'r just reaching for any reason to take cheap shots at anyone who's been critical of the job he's done in other moves he's made... but hey, if it makes u feel better to do so, be my guest.

Some fans do not like what Walsh and Mike did, others are OK with it, and some are supportive to what Knicks management is doing.
This is all normal.
To me it means that Mike and Walsh are working and trying. They do make mistakes. People always do when they are really working on something.
So lets wait for results which will come no earlier that 2 years from now....

isnt that a bit excessive? hey, if they hit all the main targets THIS offseason and win a title (best case scenario), do we need to wait 2 years from now to say it was a success? i cant think of what you would call a well run pro sports franchise that would give folks 4 years before any judgement could be made

Let me help you with that one, you would call it a "well run pro sports franchise".

errr no... well run orgs dont allow a FO/coach to operate for 4 years with no expectations/goals/etc. point being the knicks havent been well run so maybe under that idea i can see how you could go 4 years like that. why would that be a good idea??

Just because you and a bunch of other people don't agree with the approach does not indicate a lack of goals. Based on what these guys inherited from Isiah, I think its bordering on miraculous that we can even talk about two max free agents. The alternative that everyone seems to be dying for which is rebuilding through the draft usually takes a lot more than 4 years unless I really missed something. The goal was and has been to reduce cap space so we can sign the best available free agents and build a competitive team, they have succeeded in that goal. The next goal is to get the right mix of players in here over the next two years.

All this crap about "Lebron or bust" etc. is fans/media generated nonsense and cannot be a rational goal for any organization. However, if you say something enough times it usually becomes the truth and this type of frenzied repeating of "Lebron or bust" will make hordes of fans upset and bitter if Lebron doesn't come here. I won't be one of them.

its not the overall approach, its the notion that there can be no criticism for years of anything that goes on. i would agree that there may be (probably are) goals/objectives laid out for the FO and coaching staff we have no idea of AND are being met. so the 4 years (or more) isnt about how long its going to be to win (its been 37+ years, sooooo), its how long before you can say : is this working? we as fans shouldnt be precluded from discussing this or looking at the progression and wondering about the various decisions being made. i sure hope internally they are doing the same.

as far as lbj or else... the steps they made indicate that to me (the tmac deal put me into "all-in" belief) and i sure hope its lbj as the main target. they may have some other moves planned that shock folks, not in a bad way, if that doesnt pan out... we shall see.

Cosmic wrote:It's quite obvious that Walsh and Mike get trashed for the past two years for no reason at all.

I think there are reasons:

* Some people are Isiah fans, so they're gonna hate pretty much whoever comes after.
* Some people wanted Mark Jackson as coach, so they trash D'antoni. (as if human turnstyle Mark Jackson would've made the defense better)
* Some people are Marbury fans. Don't like how he was let go.
* Some people were Crawford/Zachary fans, don't like how the team was dismantled after a 6-5 start last season.
* Some people live unhealthy lifestyles, could drop dead tomorrow, and don't want to wait two years.

So there are reasons. None of them very good reasons. But reasons nonetheless.