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4/1/2010  7:43 AM
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Juice wrote:Uhhhh couldn't we have done this at the last draft?

Chandler and 8

for

5 and McGee


I'd say this idea is an absolute no go and BRIGGS trying to muster up some buzz for a player he heavily talked about 2yrs ago as being a should be Lock lottery pick.

Why is Byron still down in the D-League spending time there like all year?

I agree. The Knicks do need more size but there is no way in hell McGee's value is close to Chandler's. The Wiz would need to give up more young developable assets and why would they do that now?

Yeah, that would have netted us Stephen Curry and McGee...!
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4/1/2010  8:14 AM    LAST EDITED: 4/1/2010  8:23 AM
The only trades I'd be looking to make right now are trades to move up in this summer's draft...Cash bundle trades to get me in the 1st round (a 2 and cash, another 2 and cash, etc..). I'd look to do this as many times as I could (I'm actually calling for the Knicks to put themselves in position to draft as many as 3 players in the lower 1st round this summer if possible). Then I'm looking to get a point, a wing and a big. I'm not looking to deal Chandler for anything right now until after the draft and free agency has concluded. At that time I'll assess what to do with Chandler and Gallo (Douglas, even though he's regressed here a little bit recently, may actually be my only real keeper right now). Say if we were lucky enough to get LeBron & another close-to-the-max player like a Bosh AND we drafted a solid wing such as Landesberg, Pondexter or Scotty Hopson AND a big -- either a legit center or a defensive C/PF-type such as Jarvis Varnado. If all that went down and by training camp that mix clicked, then I might be willing to deal Chandler and/or Gallo but for something big -- I like McGee, I like what he brings to the table and I think he'd fit here, but first things first. If we can accomplish everything I'm calling for, we can then sit back and formulate a trade(s) with Chandler &/or Gallo from a position of strength not weakness...If we got LeBron and a solid 2/3 with good potential Chandler could very well be expendable, but if not, he may not be. And if we drafted a guy like Varnado, we may not need to trade a good player like Chandler for guy like McGee...I'd max the hell outta this draft AND free agency before I think about doing anything else..
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4/1/2010  9:55 AM    LAST EDITED: 4/1/2010  9:55 AM
Juice wrote:Uhhhh couldn't we have done this at the last draft?

Chandler and 8

for

5 and McGee


I'd say this idea is an absolute no go and BRIGGS trying to muster up some buzz for a player he heavily talked about 2yrs ago as being a should be Lock lottery pick.

Why is Byron still down in the D-League spending time there like all year?

The Wizards wouldnt have given us Mcgee for pick 8 straight up. We need an athletic 7 footer AND another PF to make us a team that can compete. Im not worried about Chandler--he's hurt all the time and he plays a position that easily can be filled. We haven't had an athletic 7 footer who can play in 15 years.

If we had a frontline of Lee /Bosh or Amare and Mcgee that would make us much better -. It's easy to say we can get this or that but in reality its not that easy to get a C. You have to pay a premium. Chandler is a good player who gets hurt a lot.

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4/1/2010  10:22 AM
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BRIGGS wrote:They were ready to give up pick 5 for him. We can probably find another wing player at 6-8 with cap money.

d'antoni had hill and darko and didn't play them. you think he'd play mcgee?

exactly. you have to accept the reality of a pattern at some point and not keep trying to anticipate that it's going to go away.

my personal belief is that donnie did a decent job of trying to have his cake and eat it too. he stuck to his #1 priority of clearing capspace while trying to give a coach enough of a roster in the meantime to have made the playoffs this year. problem is it's the wrong coach for that. mda is all in for his style of play and refused to coach a more balanced style to try to blend more size and defense and traditional offense in with his approach.

donnie at this point must realize - look i have to stay with mda. this franchise can’t afford another wilkens-brown-thomas clusterf**k. mda will only coach his style and play his type of player. i gotta be all in and learn from the darko and hill scenarios to NOT waste my time and resources giving him more traditional bigmen who he won’t play.
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4/1/2010  11:26 AM
Pharzeone wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
Pharzeone wrote:
djsunyc wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:They were ready to give up pick 5 for him. We can probably find another wing player at 6-8 with cap money.

d'antoni had hill and darko and didn't play them. you think he'd play mcgee?

Yeah, McGee will be collecting dust and we will be talking about how he does not compete in practice. This team and it's coaches are really suspect.

He wants to play B Walker at PF. I don't know what to say but this is putrid.

The guy has a 6-11 player playing guards. Trying to reinvent the game of basketball. When the three doesn't go down against a superior defensive team, this team is easily expose. As well as the coach. Chandler is my fav player on this team but if he can get us Bosh, I willing to do it because of talent and need. Don't get why Gallo is untouchable in these scenarios. Dude has done nothing to earn it on a losing team.

WELL, don't you think one full year is really not enough time to just say, he hasn't done anything to deserve being here? is that the time limit for him? 1 year? so far i think he has done a good job this year and has shown promise, that is enough to keep him around..can we really afford to just dump talent, and talent with size? again, this is why rebuilding is almost impossible in this city... when you look at it that way, there isn't a young player on a losing team that should be untouchable, but the key is, teams that are patient usually reap the rewards..

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4/1/2010  11:48 AM
MDA didn't play Darko cuz he sucked! It wasn't cuz he refuses to play anyone with size. He played Jared a ton and he's not an offensive player! This notion that playing Darko and a lot would've solved our problems is a bit much.

I think MDA would like McGee's talent but like any young player he has a lot to learn. Who can say if he would be any more ready to contribute than Hill was. Lopez wouldn't be an MDA fav due to being a plodder. He doesn't want to play slow. He did slow it down this yr as a concession to guys on this team but once he gets better players we'll be playing fast again. Javale is unique in how agile and fast he is for his size. He could play fast I think.
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4/1/2010  1:34 PM
nixluva wrote:MDA didn't play Darko cuz he sucked!

just curious, why did he play Bender? because he was good? riiiight.

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4/1/2010  2:24 PM
tkf wrote:
Pharzeone wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
Pharzeone wrote:
djsunyc wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:They were ready to give up pick 5 for him. We can probably find another wing player at 6-8 with cap money.

d'antoni had hill and darko and didn't play them. you think he'd play mcgee?

Yeah, McGee will be collecting dust and we will be talking about how he does not compete in practice. This team and it's coaches are really suspect.

He wants to play B Walker at PF. I don't know what to say but this is putrid.

The guy has a 6-11 player playing guards. Trying to reinvent the game of basketball. When the three doesn't go down against a superior defensive team, this team is easily expose. As well as the coach. Chandler is my fav player on this team but if he can get us Bosh, I willing to do it because of talent and need. Don't get why Gallo is untouchable in these scenarios. Dude has done nothing to earn it on a losing team.

WELL, don't you think one full year is really not enough time to just say, he hasn't done anything to deserve being here? is that the time limit for him? 1 year? so far i think he has done a good job this year and has shown promise, that is enough to keep him around..can we really afford to just dump talent, and talent with size? again, this is why rebuilding is almost impossible in this city... when you look at it that way, there isn't a young player on a losing team that should be untouchable, but the key is, teams that are patient usually reap the rewards..

Jordan Hill says hi. Gallinari had two years but was injured for half of his first year. Again if we are talking about upgrading talent then on a losing team everyone is untouchable. It's not about favorites but upgrading the talent I thought. Besides per Walsh you need to rebuild through free agency. So again why would he be untouchable since he was acquired as such?

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4/1/2010  3:14 PM
Pharzeone wrote:
tkf wrote:
Pharzeone wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
Pharzeone wrote:
djsunyc wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:They were ready to give up pick 5 for him. We can probably find another wing player at 6-8 with cap money.

d'antoni had hill and darko and didn't play them. you think he'd play mcgee?

Yeah, McGee will be collecting dust and we will be talking about how he does not compete in practice. This team and it's coaches are really suspect.

He wants to play B Walker at PF. I don't know what to say but this is putrid.

The guy has a 6-11 player playing guards. Trying to reinvent the game of basketball. When the three doesn't go down against a superior defensive team, this team is easily expose. As well as the coach. Chandler is my fav player on this team but if he can get us Bosh, I willing to do it because of talent and need. Don't get why Gallo is untouchable in these scenarios. Dude has done nothing to earn it on a losing team.

WELL, don't you think one full year is really not enough time to just say, he hasn't done anything to deserve being here? is that the time limit for him? 1 year? so far i think he has done a good job this year and has shown promise, that is enough to keep him around..can we really afford to just dump talent, and talent with size? again, this is why rebuilding is almost impossible in this city... when you look at it that way, there isn't a young player on a losing team that should be untouchable, but the key is, teams that are patient usually reap the rewards..

Jordan Hill says hi. Gallinari had two years but was injured for half of his first year. Again if we are talking about upgrading talent then on a losing team everyone is untouchable. It's not about favorites but upgrading the talent I thought. Besides per Walsh you need to rebuild through free agency. So again why would he be untouchable since he was acquired as such?

I didn't agree with the jordan hill move at all, but I guess that was to clear room for a max talent player.. Unless we are moving gallo to get a max level talent, Ie: lebron, kobe, etc, then why make that move? an upgrade in talent? well I want a real upgrade and honestly how do we know if it is realy an upgrade if we don't know how good gallo really is.... again, unless it is a elite player, I will not touch certain players...

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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4/1/2010  3:47 PM
tkf wrote:
Pharzeone wrote:
tkf wrote:
Pharzeone wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
Pharzeone wrote:
djsunyc wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:They were ready to give up pick 5 for him. We can probably find another wing player at 6-8 with cap money.

d'antoni had hill and darko and didn't play them. you think he'd play mcgee?

Yeah, McGee will be collecting dust and we will be talking about how he does not compete in practice. This team and it's coaches are really suspect.

He wants to play B Walker at PF. I don't know what to say but this is putrid.

The guy has a 6-11 player playing guards. Trying to reinvent the game of basketball. When the three doesn't go down against a superior defensive team, this team is easily expose. As well as the coach. Chandler is my fav player on this team but if he can get us Bosh, I willing to do it because of talent and need. Don't get why Gallo is untouchable in these scenarios. Dude has done nothing to earn it on a losing team.

WELL, don't you think one full year is really not enough time to just say, he hasn't done anything to deserve being here? is that the time limit for him? 1 year? so far i think he has done a good job this year and has shown promise, that is enough to keep him around..can we really afford to just dump talent, and talent with size? again, this is why rebuilding is almost impossible in this city... when you look at it that way, there isn't a young player on a losing team that should be untouchable, but the key is, teams that are patient usually reap the rewards..

Jordan Hill says hi. Gallinari had two years but was injured for half of his first year. Again if we are talking about upgrading talent then on a losing team everyone is untouchable. It's not about favorites but upgrading the talent I thought. Besides per Walsh you need to rebuild through free agency. So again why would he be untouchable since he was acquired as such?

I didn't agree with the jordan hill move at all, but I guess that was to clear room for a max talent player.. Unless we are moving gallo to get a max level talent, Ie: lebron, kobe, etc, then why make that move? an upgrade in talent? well I want a real upgrade and honestly how do we know if it is realy an upgrade if we don't know how good gallo really is.... again, unless it is a elite player, I will not touch certain players...

Well let me put your qualms to rest. Lebron and Kobe are real upgrades. Bosh is a real upgrade. Rose is a real upgrade. Evans is a real upgrade over him. Gallo is averaging 13 points and 5 rebounds for the season on a losing team. Let's not make it sound like he competing with the most improved player award. You want to make it that it is rookie season, well he wouldn't even be in contention for ROY with some guys younger than him. I know what he is. A streak shooter that can get hot or be real cold. He had an opportunity to be consistent as much as Chandler but has proven to be less consistent which is scary based on where he was drafted. My point is that on a losing club everyone is touchable. Not just some guys.

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4/1/2010  3:51 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/1/2010  3:51 PM
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Well let me put your qualms to rest. Lebron and Kobe are real upgrades. Bosh is a real upgrade. Rose is a real upgrade. Evans is a real upgrade over him. Gallo is averaging 13 points and 5 rebounds for the season on a losing team. Let's not make it sound like he competing with the most improved player award. You want to make it that it is rookie season, well he wouldn't even be in contention for ROY with some guys younger than him. I know what he is. A streak shooter that can get hot or be real cold. He had an opportunity to be consistent as much as Chandler but has proven to be less consistent which is scary based on where he was drafted. My point is that on a losing club everyone is touchable. Not just some guys.

That is my biggest concern with Gallo right now. Most really good rookies will put up stats on a bad team. Most guys stats go down when they play on a good team not up because they will get less shots.

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4/1/2010  4:51 PM
nixluva wrote:MDA didn't play Darko cuz he sucked! It wasn't cuz he refuses to play anyone with size. He played Jared a ton and he's not an offensive player! This notion that playing Darko and a lot would've solved our problems is a bit much.

I think MDA would like McGee's talent but like any young player he has a lot to learn. Who can say if he would be any more ready to contribute than Hill was. Lopez wouldn't be an MDA fav due to being a plodder. He doesn't want to play slow. He did slow it down this yr as a concession to guys on this team but once he gets better players we'll be playing fast again. Javale is unique in how agile and fast he is for his size. He could play fast I think.

nix, i couldn’t stand darko one single bit. but the reality is that since the trade he's had games of 15 pts-10 rebs-3asst-4blks; 16pts-12rebs-3asst; 14pts-4rebs-5asst. he’s scored 16, 15, 14, 12,10. he's grabbed 12, 12, 10, 9, 9, 8 boards. had 5, 5, 3, 3 assists. 4, 4, 3, 3, 2, 2 blocks. the guy could have helped us tremendously. and freed lee up to play pf.

mda really f**ed up with his use of darko and hill. he cost us a lot of wins this year with this.
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4/1/2010  5:36 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/1/2010  5:38 PM
Pharzeone wrote:
tkf wrote:
Pharzeone wrote:
tkf wrote:
Pharzeone wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
Pharzeone wrote:
djsunyc wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:They were ready to give up pick 5 for him. We can probably find another wing player at 6-8 with cap money.

d'antoni had hill and darko and didn't play them. you think he'd play mcgee?

Yeah, McGee will be collecting dust and we will be talking about how he does not compete in practice. This team and it's coaches are really suspect.

He wants to play B Walker at PF. I don't know what to say but this is putrid.

The guy has a 6-11 player playing guards. Trying to reinvent the game of basketball. When the three doesn't go down against a superior defensive team, this team is easily expose. As well as the coach. Chandler is my fav player on this team but if he can get us Bosh, I willing to do it because of talent and need. Don't get why Gallo is untouchable in these scenarios. Dude has done nothing to earn it on a losing team.

WELL, don't you think one full year is really not enough time to just say, he hasn't done anything to deserve being here? is that the time limit for him? 1 year? so far i think he has done a good job this year and has shown promise, that is enough to keep him around..can we really afford to just dump talent, and talent with size? again, this is why rebuilding is almost impossible in this city... when you look at it that way, there isn't a young player on a losing team that should be untouchable, but the key is, teams that are patient usually reap the rewards..

Jordan Hill says hi. Gallinari had two years but was injured for half of his first year. Again if we are talking about upgrading talent then on a losing team everyone is untouchable. It's not about favorites but upgrading the talent I thought. Besides per Walsh you need to rebuild through free agency. So again why would he be untouchable since he was acquired as such?

I didn't agree with the jordan hill move at all, but I guess that was to clear room for a max talent player.. Unless we are moving gallo to get a max level talent, Ie: lebron, kobe, etc, then why make that move? an upgrade in talent? well I want a real upgrade and honestly how do we know if it is realy an upgrade if we don't know how good gallo really is.... again, unless it is a elite player, I will not touch certain players...

Well let me put your qualms to rest. Lebron and Kobe are real upgrades. Bosh is a real upgrade. Rose is a real upgrade. Evans is a real upgrade over him. Gallo is averaging 13 points and 5 rebounds for the season on a losing team. Let's not make it sound like he competing with the most improved player award. You want to make it that it is rookie season, well he wouldn't even be in contention for ROY with some guys younger than him. I know what he is. A streak shooter that can get hot or be real cold. He had an opportunity to be consistent as much as Chandler but has proven to be less consistent which is scary based on where he was drafted. My point is that on a losing club everyone is touchable. Not just some guys.

That's excellent analysis on Gallo Phar. Right on the money. He's a pretty good young player but in no way, shape or form is he untouchable in my book. If we succeeded in upgrading across the board, I'd throw him out there to see what I could get. As long as I had the 2, 3 & 4 all covered well with quality & a little depth, why not?
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4/1/2010  5:56 PM
the reason Gallo is untouchable:

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Pharzeone wrote:
tkf wrote:
Pharzeone wrote:
tkf wrote:
Pharzeone wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
Pharzeone wrote:
djsunyc wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:They were ready to give up pick 5 for him. We can probably find another wing player at 6-8 with cap money.

d'antoni had hill and darko and didn't play them. you think he'd play mcgee?

Yeah, McGee will be collecting dust and we will be talking about how he does not compete in practice. This team and it's coaches are really suspect.

He wants to play B Walker at PF. I don't know what to say but this is putrid.

The guy has a 6-11 player playing guards. Trying to reinvent the game of basketball. When the three doesn't go down against a superior defensive team, this team is easily expose. As well as the coach. Chandler is my fav player on this team but if he can get us Bosh, I willing to do it because of talent and need. Don't get why Gallo is untouchable in these scenarios. Dude has done nothing to earn it on a losing team.

WELL, don't you think one full year is really not enough time to just say, he hasn't done anything to deserve being here? is that the time limit for him? 1 year? so far i think he has done a good job this year and has shown promise, that is enough to keep him around..can we really afford to just dump talent, and talent with size? again, this is why rebuilding is almost impossible in this city... when you look at it that way, there isn't a young player on a losing team that should be untouchable, but the key is, teams that are patient usually reap the rewards..

Jordan Hill says hi. Gallinari had two years but was injured for half of his first year. Again if we are talking about upgrading talent then on a losing team everyone is untouchable. It's not about favorites but upgrading the talent I thought. Besides per Walsh you need to rebuild through free agency. So again why would he be untouchable since he was acquired as such?

I didn't agree with the jordan hill move at all, but I guess that was to clear room for a max talent player.. Unless we are moving gallo to get a max level talent, Ie: lebron, kobe, etc, then why make that move? an upgrade in talent? well I want a real upgrade and honestly how do we know if it is realy an upgrade if we don't know how good gallo really is.... again, unless it is a elite player, I will not touch certain players...

Well let me put your qualms to rest. Lebron and Kobe are real upgrades. Bosh is a real upgrade. Rose is a real upgrade. Evans is a real upgrade over him. Gallo is averaging 13 points and 5 rebounds for the season on a losing team. Let's not make it sound like he competing with the most improved player award. You want to make it that it is rookie season, well he wouldn't even be in contention for ROY with some guys younger than him. I know what he is. A streak shooter that can get hot or be real cold. He had an opportunity to be consistent as much as Chandler but has proven to be less consistent which is scary based on where he was drafted. My point is that on a losing club everyone is touchable. Not just some guys.

well looking at it that way then it shouldn't matter if your team is a winner or loser. because if someone offered me lebron for Joe johnson, I make that trade right away.. so yea, no one is "untouchable" in that sense, but I think when people talk about certain players being untouchable, it has to be a significant upgrade, especially when dealing with younger players... I think we can all agree chris paul is better than both tyreke evans and rose, but I really wonder if the kings or bulls make that trade because they may feel both guys down the road will be better players... In other words, I am not going to couple gallo with a lee to get bosh... sorry, I just wont.. now if we are talking about gallo straight up for bosh, you do the deal, but that will not happen, so when I talk untouchable, I think we are talking about guys we are not going to get fair value back, so you just don't move them at this point..... regardless of how good or bad you think gallo is...

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But tkf, Walsh already moved a young player in Hill to get what he "hopes" is a better player. Like you said regardless of how good or bad anyone thinks he is... So we already started down the path. Let's me honest, the only reason why Gallo wouldn't be move is a personal one for Walsh or D'Antoni. A new regime who would have no loyalties more then likely would view the guy as an asset for a Bosh along with others. Because he would be more objective right off the bat and would look at the immediate value. Unfortunately, Gallinari or any of the younger guys including Chandler & Douglas have not done enough to say no way to upgrades.

BTW, myself I wouldn't trade Gallo, Chandler, Douglas or even Walker for Joe Johnson at this point. I don't consider that a true upgrade. I pointed out a couple of weeks back that Chandler is actually out producing Joe Johnson based on minutes played. I don't have that high of a value on Joe Johnson at this point in his career. Bosh is different for me though because of his age, position and the fact that he pretty much already took his team to the playoffs without much help.

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*Still hoping for a Wilson Chandler for Ricky Rubio swap.
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4/3/2010  12:48 AM
McGee has been getting more minutes the past couple of games and is looking like the real deal. My concern is that D'Antoni wouldn't play him anyway and that he would never get to be the player he will become if he ends up on the Knicks.
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iSergio wrote:*Still hoping for a Wilson Chandler for Ricky Rubio swap.

for argument's sake, what if it takes Wilson & Toney Douglas to get Rubio's draft rights & you wouldn't see him in a Knicks uniform until 2011 at the earliest... would u still make the trade?

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iSergio wrote:*Still hoping for a Wilson Chandler for Ricky Rubio swap.

for argument's sake, what if it takes Wilson & Toney Douglas to get Rubio's draft rights & you wouldn't see him in a Knicks uniform until 2011 at the earliest... would u still make the trade?

I wouldn't trade players in the league for guys who have yet to play a NBA game. You trade them for picks that is one thing. That's me. I don't need to go through well he has to adjust stuff anymore while costing assets.

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