sidsanders wrote:

TMS wrote:Arenas will be making $22 freakin million bucks by the time his contract expires in 2014! are u serious u would consider that guy w/his idiotic antics, immaturity, bad shot selection & complete lack of defense?

maybe a crap-shoe will help the players that remain for 2010?

we'd need a giant sized U-Haul truck to move his gun collection over state lines.

An Arenas + McGrady back court is not the greatest but is definitely an upgrade.

Maybe we could get Blatche from them as well.

Blatche
Lee
Gallinari
McGrady
Arenas

Bench:
Chandler
Mike Miller
Douglas

Lee is going to eat 10 million. Arenas and Blatche would eat 7-8 million. That would leave enough to get Mike Miller and keep McGrady.

My vision for this lineup would be for McGrady to be a facilitator in his twilight years. Blatche, Lee, and Gallo up front would give us 3 ball handling bigs who can shoot. Everyone knows Arenas can light it up and he will likely have a chip on his shoulder. Then we'd have 2 defenders and a shooter off the bench.

TMS wrote:Arenas is signed for $17.7M next year & Grunfeld has already said they won't look to void his contract this summer... there's no way WAS will eat that entire contract in a buyout either... so unless you're willing to take on that humongous albatross of a contract in a trade, then forget it.

they're pretty high on Blatche tho, i doubt they'd give him up unless they were getting back something major in return... the atmosphere down here is even tho they're losing, they still like this team oriented style of play to the freelancing style that they were playing when Butler, Jamison & Arenas were all fighting for touches... if they re-sign Foye this summer, then u gotta figure they'll look to dump Arenas in a cap dump trade & either pray to get lucky in the lottery to land John Wall, or they target a distributing PG like Steve Blake in free agency & take someone like Favors, Cousins or that Motiejunas kid from Lithuania to add more depth to their frontline.

even if they'd give Arenas to us for Eddy Curry's contract i wouldn't take on that contract tho... he's too much of a risk w/all that baggage & he doesn't play the style of ball that fits MDA's style of play... this guy is a freelancing chucker... MDA demands his PG to move the ball & facilitate, not dominate the shot attempts.

- I was suggesting we trade Curry for Arenas and then Washington can buyout Eddy Curry. Arenas maybe childish at time but he only has 4 years remaining. The amount is irrelevant because we'd likely be capped out anyway.

- Blatche is having issues with Flip Saunders so I think they dump him if they could move Arenas just like we'd dump Chandler to move Curry.

- I dont give a **** what MDA likes. Walsh needs to take a hard stance against this guy. D'Antoni seems to fall in and out of love with players. He'd probably want us paying Steve Blake big bucks for 5 years. MDA might be gone by summer 2011. No having those picks is really putting out backs to the wall.

- Arenas would likely play SG here. In Atlanta Crawford plays PG but doesnt facilitate the offense. We could do the same here.

- Blatche and Arenas for Curry and Trade Exemption seems more than fair too me. Remember the Wizards have just been sold and 20 million in saving is a steal.

AnubisADL wrote:

TMS wrote:Arenas is signed for $17.7M next year & Grunfeld has already said they won't look to void his contract this summer... there's no way WAS will eat that entire contract in a buyout either... so unless you're willing to take on that humongous albatross of a contract in a trade, then forget it.

they're pretty high on Blatche tho, i doubt they'd give him up unless they were getting back something major in return... the atmosphere down here is even tho they're losing, they still like this team oriented style of play to the freelancing style that they were playing when Butler, Jamison & Arenas were all fighting for touches... if they re-sign Foye this summer, then u gotta figure they'll look to dump Arenas in a cap dump trade & either pray to get lucky in the lottery to land John Wall, or they target a distributing PG like Steve Blake in free agency & take someone like Favors, Cousins or that Motiejunas kid from Lithuania to add more depth to their frontline.

even if they'd give Arenas to us for Eddy Curry's contract i wouldn't take on that contract tho... he's too much of a risk w/all that baggage & he doesn't play the style of ball that fits MDA's style of play... this guy is a freelancing chucker... MDA demands his PG to move the ball & facilitate, not dominate the shot attempts.

- I was suggesting we trade Curry for Arenas and then Washington can buyout Eddy Curry. Arenas maybe childish at time but he only has 4 years remaining. The amount is irrelevant because we'd likely be capped out anyway.

- Blatche is having issues with Flip Saunders so I think they dump him if they could move Arenas just like we'd dump Chandler to move Curry.

- I dont give a **** what MDA likes. Walsh needs to take a hard stance against this guy. D'Antoni seems to fall in and out of love with players. He'd probably want us paying Steve Blake big bucks for 5 years. MDA might be gone by summer 2011. No having those picks is really putting out backs to the wall.

- Arenas would likely play SG here. In Atlanta Crawford plays PG but doesnt facilitate the offense. We could do the same here.

- Blatche and Arenas for Curry and Trade Exemption seems more than fair too me. Remember the Wizards have just been sold and 20 million in saving is a steal.

why do we want other teams high priced junk? blatche while playing well now, was until recently thought of as lazy. this is an option, though i hope one that never happens. while 4 < 5, its still 4 of a troubled guy. whats the lure with him going to ny? why do we want to help out the blizzards and take on a bad contract that doesnt seem to get the team any place then it is already?

AnubisADL wrote:

TMS wrote:they'll dump Flip Saunders if anything... they like Blatche & McGee down here... i don't see them dumping him to unload Arenas' contract... & i don't think he's worth getting to take on that Arenas contract either... sorry but i'd definitely pass & would seriously be disappointed if Donnie Walsh went the same kind of starphuch route that landed us in salary cap hell to begin with.

Any guy we get this summer is going to want a minimum of 5 yrs. Too many teams have space and the good players are going to get overpaid. I want the least amount of years possible.

Just curious, who are your off season targets?

obviously my targets are everyone's targets: Lebron, Wade or Bosh

if we can't land those guys, i'd rather build a team with high value signings rather than overpaying for 2nd tier guys... Lee could possibly factor in if he's willing to sign on for less but i don't see that happening... Scola & Manu would be 2 of my main targets in a plan B type situation along w/a defensive shotblocking C like Haywood or Camby, & i don't think it would take 5 year offers to sign Manu or Camby, more like 3... or if i can somehow steal Okafor away from New Orleans in a salary dump i'd go that route.

after that we'd still have plenty of cap left over to retain our option year guys & still sign another big money FA to fill whatever hole needs to be filled... we could even fit Rudy Gay into that scenario if we really wanted to by offering him the max for a 4 year player & challenge MEM to match, or we could hold onto that flexibility & wait til 2011 when Melo hits the market... i wouldn't be happy about it obviously, but i'd rather not cut off my nose to spite my face just because we failed in our grand plan to land Lebron this summer... i would much rather be responsible w/the way we utilize our cap this summer than to spend irresponsibly & take on horrible contracts of players that have baggage like we've been doing the past decade & expect better results... that's just stupidity & insanity all rolled up into one if u go that route.

let's face it, we're not gonna be contending for any championships in the next 2 years unless we land Lebron & another bigtime FA this summer, unless Donnie pulls some crazy trade out his wrinkled old ass like getting Kevin Durant or some sheit, but judging from his negotiation skills that were put on display in recent deals i wouldn't put any money on that... if we don't get Lebron & another big name star this summer, Donnie's head is going up on the chopping block.

AnubisADL wrote:

sidsanders wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:I recall reading that New Orleans wants to dump Peja with Collison. I want no parts of Peja.

The Arenas angle is nice especially if we could just trade Curry to get him.

why would you want arenas???

Arenas' contract has 4 years remaining. If we sign Joe Johnson he will get at least 5 years.

Im looking at it strictly from a contract perspective. If Arenas breaks down we are out of his contract 1 year sooner. Plus he is big enough to play SG for us if need be.

We wont have a high lottery pick for the next 2 years anyway. I could careless whether D'ivatoni gets along with Arenas or not because D'ivatoni might not last another full season. Im looking at our future and the fact we dont have a 2012 pick.

fishmike wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

sidsanders wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:I recall reading that New Orleans wants to dump Peja with Collison. I want no parts of Peja.

The Arenas angle is nice especially if we could just trade Curry to get him.

why would you want arenas???

Arenas' contract has 4 years remaining. If we sign Joe Johnson he will get at least 5 years.

Im looking at it strictly from a contract perspective. If Arenas breaks down we are out of his contract 1 year sooner. Plus he is big enough to play SG for us if need be.

We wont have a high lottery pick for the next 2 years anyway. I could careless whether D'ivatoni gets along with Arenas or not because D'ivatoni might not last another full season. Im looking at our future and the fact we dont have a 2012 pick.

did you factor that Arenas is always hurt and Joe Johnson never missed a game?

I did. Did I not say Im looking at contract LENGTH? Did I not also say I would move him for Curry who is a waste of 11 million dollars?

If I can get Arenas for essentially 6-7 million of our 2010 cap then so be it. Joe Johnson will eat 15+ million at MINIMUM.

TMS wrote:we didn't get Hill or Kidd because Donnie had limitations on the types of contracts he could offer in terms of years... he wanted to stay flexible for the summer... wasn't the report that he was offering these guys a 1 year deal? i may be wrong but i thought that was the case... both of them got multi year deals with their new teams... this summer Donnie will no longer be under such a restriction... i think that will definitely help in his recruitment efforts... i don't see why Camby wouldn't want to come back to play in NY, he's from Hartford which NYC is much closer to than POR & the Blazers will have Oden & Pryzbilla possibly returning from injury next season along with Aldridge... Camby would get more playing time in NY & he's already had a good experience playing here.

Okafor's deal is terrible but much, much more manageable than Gilbert Arenas, it's not even close... & he doesn't bring all kinds of baggage along with him either & he fills our biggest need right now which is for a defensive presence in the paint... i don't see how u can say he isn't good either, a C that can give u 13/10/2 every year isn't good in your book? i would have to disagree with u there... we don't need to be targetting more offensive only bad shot selection chuckers with horrible contracts & enough luggage to make Samsonite blush, we need to target more defensive minded players... that's how we become a better defensive team & that's how we will start contending for championships in the coming years.

I dont see Camby leaving a young winning team to play for NY. Im not against getting Camby but I dont see him coming here to play. Oden is a walking injury while Pryzbilia is an expiring who will likely get the Steve Blake treatment.

I watch Okafor play and his offense sucks and his defense isn't all that. Emeka is solid on defense but I rather pay Scola Emeka's contract. Arenas' deal is way more money but at least he can stroke it from deep. D'Antoni doesnt value defense anyway he values offense and the only way we are going to win with him is having guys who can light it up nightly.

TMS wrote:come on dude, u know MDA & Arenas is a disaster waiting to happen... we're talking Stephon Marbury/Nate Robinson treatment... oil & water don't mix... u need to find a new coach if u wanna try & fit Arenas in with this bunch.

True. Deep down I know we are going to give Joe Johnson some crazy deal this summer.