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King1
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3/27/2010  10:57 PM
Lebron dominates the ball and lee doesn't need it. You can think what you want but other players respect lee game because he is unselfish. Bosh is a star he almost had the raptors to .500
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3/27/2010  11:23 PM
King1 wrote:Lebron dominates the ball and lee doesn't need it. You can think what you want but other players respect lee game because he is unselfish. Bosh is a star he almost had the raptors to .500

And the Knicks are not in the playoffs. Bosh gets double teamed often and still produces. David Lee doesnt get double teams.

Walsh has no leverage here man. Bosh is going to get the max whether it's from us or someone else. Guys aren't taking a discount to play with Lebron because they dont do it now.

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3/27/2010  11:35 PM
King1 wrote:Lebron wouild much rather play with lee that bosh. Bosh needs 15 shots a game lee would be happy with 8 and 12 rebounds. Why wouldn't you want a guy that will set screens and pass over another ego

I think he wants to play with the guy that gives him the better chance to win...Bosh...the things u come up with..

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3/28/2010  12:07 AM
I think there is a better chance lebron comes here than bosh. Bosh gets frustrated in the press in toronto what would happen in nyc
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3/28/2010  1:42 AM
I think DW has not only been here and done this team building thing before but he's had 2 yrs to plan this crap. It must be killing him to act like he doesn't know what he wants to do. Just don't think he's a fool. The guys a freakin lawyer and very calculating. I think he's played the scenarios out like chess and already knows the various options. I don't expect him to get caught off guard.
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3/28/2010  1:42 AM
Has anyone confirmed this article? I can't believe Donnie hasn't squash this already. If it is true you can't have leaks like this coming from your inner circle. This Bosh trashing sounds like something Grunwald would be responsible for going back to this Raptor days. No way Donnie thinks that Bosh is not a max player when he traded for a guy like Dunleavy who he thought was a max player. Way to take this into negotiations with Lee if it comes to this. Why are the Knicks always bidding against themselves?
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3/28/2010  2:38 AM
i don't give a fak who we sign this summer as long as Lebron is wearing a #6 Knicks' uni next year... i'd sign Fishlips to the max if it meant Lebron was coming here... Lebron u fakkin' bastidge, come save this joke of a franchise! (sorry i'm kinda A-fan'd ruight now)
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3/28/2010  2:53 AM
TMS wrote:i don't give a fak who we sign this summer as long as Lebron is wearing a #6 Knicks' uni next year... i'd sign Fishlips to the max if it meant Lebron was coming here... Lebron u fakkin' bastidge, come save this joke of a franchise! (sorry i'm kinda A-fan'd ruight now)

dude im absolutely a'fanned alsoo. i got thrown out tthe bar cuz i called some bitch a fat **** and she got all hysterical. oopss.

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3/28/2010  3:22 AM
nyk4ever wrote:
TMS wrote:i don't give a fak who we sign this summer as long as Lebron is wearing a #6 Knicks' uni next year... i'd sign Fishlips to the max if it meant Lebron was coming here... Lebron u fakkin' bastidge, come save this joke of a franchise! (sorry i'm kinda A-fan'd ruight now)

dude im absolutely a'fanned alsoo. i got thrown out tthe bar cuz i called some bitch a fat **** and she got all hysterical. oopss.

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3/28/2010  7:17 AM
holfresh wrote:
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Pharzeone wrote:I get back into town for this ****. Fire Donnie old ass now if this is true. You mean you traded 2 picks and the potential right for another team to swap your pick to get a player you could have re-sign on the cheap. How is this even posted without a pre-April Fool Day's disclaimer.

LOL! for real if that's how it plays out this guy should be fired immediately... this is just more of Donnie Walsh's cronies putting out possible failure scenarios to keep expectations down in case we miss out on landing 2 primetime FA's this summer... first it was the "2011 fallback option", now it's "Bosh isn't worth the max" excuse... pretty soon we'll be hearing about how Lebron isn't necessarily a good fit for MDA's system.

If it turns out Donnie takes the DLee, JJ route...A seemingly mundane trade to free up additional cap space that would have rolled off in 1 year anyway could destroy the Knicks for the next 5-6 years...Imagine that...

How do we get JJ and keep Lee in 2010? We don't because FishLips and Predator took up too much cap room. So what was Lee going to do. Sit out a year and wait for Curry to expire so the Knicks could re-sign him?

Imagine THAT disaster.

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3/28/2010  11:22 AM
Cosmic wrote:
holfresh wrote:
TMS wrote:
Pharzeone wrote:I get back into town for this ****. Fire Donnie old ass now if this is true. You mean you traded 2 picks and the potential right for another team to swap your pick to get a player you could have re-sign on the cheap. How is this even posted without a pre-April Fool Day's disclaimer.

LOL! for real if that's how it plays out this guy should be fired immediately... this is just more of Donnie Walsh's cronies putting out possible failure scenarios to keep expectations down in case we miss out on landing 2 primetime FA's this summer... first it was the "2011 fallback option", now it's "Bosh isn't worth the max" excuse... pretty soon we'll be hearing about how Lebron isn't necessarily a good fit for MDA's system.

If it turns out Donnie takes the DLee, JJ route...A seemingly mundane trade to free up additional cap space that would have rolled off in 1 year anyway could destroy the Knicks for the next 5-6 years...Imagine that...

How do we get JJ and keep Lee in 2010? We don't because FishLips and Predator took up too much cap room. So what was Lee going to do. Sit out a year and wait for Curry to expire so the Knicks could re-sign him?

Imagine THAT disaster.

I thought we had enough money for a Max plus Lee at around 10 million (before getting rid of Jeffries)? Now, we have enough for 2 max's but no Lee. I don't know if it matters though as we can be VERY creative with S&T's now that we have the cap space and I bet that is a part of the flexibility they have in mind. For example, we can trade Curry's expiring and Chandler for a great player, though we don't have many more assets now that we traded Hill and those picks. Hmmm...

Though, we tipped our hands (or rather did free advertising) for Stephan Curry this last draft so I don't put it past this organization to blow it (again). I never understood why we were so open about wanting S Curry...

Considering the market being NY, I'm sure we will come away with some good players. Actually it has to be great players, for we gave away Hill and 2 1st rd picks (ok, at least 1 depending on how things go down.)

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3/28/2010  2:40 PM
Chris Bosh doesn’t need to read the newspapers to know his game has changed. He lives it each and every night.

So when it’s mentioned that he has averaged just six free throw attempts in his past six games and had 19 turnovers over his past four, Bosh shakes his head knowingly.

On Saturday he explained why he thought his numbers weren’t quite up to their normal lofty levels.

“Coming back from an injury, it takes a little time, but this one has taken a little longer because they have thrown different packages at me,” Bosh said of the defensive treatment he has received since sitting out seven games with a wonky ankle.

“They’ve really been double teaming me aggressively, so my scoring isn’t going to be what it was. I understand that. I just have to keep the ball moving and cut my turnovers down.”

Bosh isn’t sure he can move the ball out of double teams any quicker than he already is, but he knows he has to be more precise when he does move it because he doesn’t see this trend ending any time soon.

“I was very surprised at how aggressive the coverages have been,” he said. “But everyone watches the games, so I won’t be surprised if I see that for the rest of the season.”

“Is that different from earlier in the year? Probably not,” Triano said answering his own question, “but he’s seeing different looks every game.

“Last night the Nuggets crushed. The Jazz came off the cutter and the team before that was coming off the middle guy.”

Triano says he doesn’t need Bosh to be the big point getter every night but if he’s not, he has to be getting the ball into the hands of guys who do have opportunities to score.

“He can be the facilitator,” Triano said. “We need him to be efficient enough for teams to double team him so he can make plays for other people as well.”

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3/28/2010  3:17 PM
the knicks have a good chance of trading 4 lottery picks in a row from 2009,10,11, and 2012..david stern should have put a stop to the tmac and eddie curry trades..like larry obrien did to cav owner ted stepian 30 yrs ago..thus a team couldnt trade back to back 1st rders..if knicks dont get lebron the walsh rules will cum in effect that you cant switch 1st rders to circumvent the stepian rules..well at least walsh will have some impact in ny..in a few years we will debate who was worse donnie or isaih
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3/28/2010  3:17 PM
What about the $50mil dollar player Punani what's he been doing?
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3/28/2010  5:00 PM
earthmansurfer wrote:
Cosmic wrote:
holfresh wrote:
TMS wrote:
Pharzeone wrote:I get back into town for this ****. Fire Donnie old ass now if this is true. You mean you traded 2 picks and the potential right for another team to swap your pick to get a player you could have re-sign on the cheap. How is this even posted without a pre-April Fool Day's disclaimer.

LOL! for real if that's how it plays out this guy should be fired immediately... this is just more of Donnie Walsh's cronies putting out possible failure scenarios to keep expectations down in case we miss out on landing 2 primetime FA's this summer... first it was the "2011 fallback option", now it's "Bosh isn't worth the max" excuse... pretty soon we'll be hearing about how Lebron isn't necessarily a good fit for MDA's system.

If it turns out Donnie takes the DLee, JJ route...A seemingly mundane trade to free up additional cap space that would have rolled off in 1 year anyway could destroy the Knicks for the next 5-6 years...Imagine that...

How do we get JJ and keep Lee in 2010? We don't because FishLips and Predator took up too much cap room. So what was Lee going to do. Sit out a year and wait for Curry to expire so the Knicks could re-sign him?

Imagine THAT disaster.

I thought we had enough money for a Max plus Lee at around 10 million (before getting rid of Jeffries)? Now, we have enough for 2 max's but no Lee. I don't know if it matters though as we can be VERY creative with S&T's now that we have the cap space and I bet that is a part of the flexibility they have in mind. For example, we can trade Curry's expiring and Chandler for a great player, though we don't have many more assets now that we traded Hill and those picks. Hmmm...

Though, we tipped our hands (or rather did free advertising) for Stephan Curry this last draft so I don't put it past this organization to blow it (again). I never understood why we were so open about wanting S Curry...

Considering the market being NY, I'm sure we will come away with some good players. Actually it has to be great players, for we gave away Hill and 2 1st rd picks (ok, at least 1 depending on how things go down.)

you are exactly right... before the T-Mac trade was made we had $27.2M in total committed on the payroll for next season... that left us with enough cap room to offer 1 max FA a contract & sign another at around $10M in the 1st year of his deal, which would likely have been enough to offer Lee an extension as well... if we gave up all those assets just to end up with Joe Johnson & Lee this summer, it was a huge waste of assets because we could have accomplished that without making the trade... the only way to justify this is to sign Lebron or Wade & another max FA like Bosh are Amare, or at least Lee & another 2nd tier guy along with Lebron.

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3/29/2010  11:35 AM
bosh might've checked out as he has not been the same since the all star break.

and this latest article is the most indicative that leaving toronto is an option for him:

Toronto Raptors' Chris Bosh on free agency: It's all about winning
BY MICHAEL WALLACE

With the Heat expected to be among his most aggressive suitors this summer, Toronto forward Chris Bosh warned teams not to expect a quick decision regarding his future when the July 1 free agency negotiation period opens.

``I think it's going to drag out for a while,'' Bosh said before Sunday's game against the Heat. ``There are so many possibilities and scenarios, with guys staying with their own teams and trying to get other guys [to sign].

``You have to look at combinations and possibilities of what could happen. So I don't expect it to be over too quickly.''

As part of a free agent class that will include Miami's Dwyane Wade, Cleveland's LeBron James and Phoenix's Amare Stoudemire, Bosh is considered in many circles as the one most likely to leave.

A five-time All-Star, Bosh is averaging career highs in points (23.0), rebounds (11.0) and field-goal percentage (.515) this season for the Raptors. He also passed Vince Carter earlier this season to become the franchise's all-time leading scorer.

OPTIONS ARE OPEN

Although Bosh has not ruled out staying with the Raptors, he made it clear Sunday that he will explore all of his options and that he wants to be in a position to win an NBA championship. First-round playoff exits no longer are enough. Raptors general manager Bryan Colangelo said he would entertain sign-and-trade proposals if Bosh wants to leave.

``The money is going to be the same, no matter where I go,'' Bosh said. ``It's about winning. I'm finishing my seventh year. Contending for a championship is all I want. I never made it past the first round. I just want to be a contender.''

Heat president Pat Riley has been enamored with Bosh since the 2003 NBA Draft, when the versatile 6-11 forward was taken fourth overall. Miami picked Wade fifth.

Wade and Bosh were teammates on the USA's 2008 gold-medal Olympic team, and both are represented by Chicago-based agent Henry Thomas. But Bosh said the connections with Wade should not be overstated when it comes to free agency business.

``I know Dwyane a little bit, not a lot,'' Bosh said. ``We haven't spent that much time outside of USA Basketball. People always are going to look for some kind of connection. That's understandable. People are going to try to make things up. There is always going to be speculation. So I'll let everybody write their stories and keep going about my business.''

WHERE'S THE MAIL?

Wade repeatedly has said he plans to have dinner this summer with Bosh, James and Atlanta's Joe Johnson to discuss where the power players will sign. Bosh joked that he has not received his invitation yet.

``Nah, I haven't been invited to it,'' Bosh said. ``This is my first time hearing about it.

``It's probably going to be a nice dinner, though.''

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3/29/2010  11:53 AM
We have flexibility, which is like GOLD right now. There are many scenarios that work, and (clearly) many that don't (e.g., JJ + Lee). But we are in a prime position to make smart moves that will radically improve our team, even if we blank on the King (which we won't).

If we get Lebron, Chandler becomes expendable due to the improvements in TD's game and the extra gravy of Walker. I still like the Chandler to Minny for Rubio deal, OR the Chandler plus Fatass' expiring to some team for a stud big.

We hae a lot of options this summer. I can't wait for July to get here. Thankfully opening day is only a few days away.

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3/29/2010  11:53 AM
Pharzeone wrote:I get back into town for this ****. Fire Donnie old ass now if this is true. You mean you traded 2 picks and the potential right for another team to swap your pick to get a player you could have re-sign on the cheap. How is this even posted without a pre-April Fool Day's disclaimer.

you guys really dont get it.

He made the cap space moves to go after Lebron. Maybe its 50/50. Maybe its only 20% chance LBJ comes here, but that 20% (1 in 5 for those in mom's basement) is WORTH taking this shot on. You guys talk about resigning Lee and Joe Johnson as the plan. Maybe thats the worst case fall back. Thats the hedge at very best.

Its getting old.

There is a lot of speculation and some legit reasons for Lebron coming here. There are some equally legit reasons for him staying. Bottom line is everyone know's he's flirting with NYC and this franchise.
We are talking about a legit chance to sign an MVP player in his prime, and people are crying about Jordan Hill.

If you think its dumb to mortage the mediocre future for a chance at Lebron then say that. Quit crying about Walsh trading picks and players for Joe Johnson because a) it hasnt happened yet and b) thats not why he did it. Now there are other all star caliber players available as well as resigning our own all star if we cant sign an MVP caliber guy.

Feel free to bitch and moan if it makes you feel better, but at least do for the right reason.

Walsh did this because when the best player in the league is in his prime and hints at playing for your franchise you do what you need to do to get him. If that means trading Jordan Hill well your just gonna have to live with that.

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3/29/2010  12:21 PM
Word. That pretty much sums it up.

BTW, another FA I didn't mention would be "Irk" who could mentor Gallo and still bring us up to respectability. Not my first choice, but nobody ever really mentions him.

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3/29/2010  12:41 PM
alau53 wrote:the knicks have a good chance of trading 4 lottery picks in a row from 2009,10,11, and 2012..david stern should have put a stop to the tmac and eddie curry trades..like larry obrien did to cav owner ted stepian 30 yrs ago..thus a team couldnt trade back to back 1st rders..if knicks dont get lebron the walsh rules will cum in effect that you cant switch 1st rders to circumvent the stepian rules..well at least walsh will have some impact in ny..in a few years we will debate who was worse donnie or isaih

seriously there should be a cap limit to how many picks u can trade away in consecutive seasons even with the work arounds... the NBA needs to save the Knicks from themselves cuz they obviously have no idea how to save themselves from trading away young assets & overpaying flawed players to bloated contracts... all these fans who complained about such moves in the past & are now trying to make reason of it this year all because we have a new management is pretty ridiculous to me... you could have the Pope making these decisions & it still wouldn't make it right... David Stern, please save the Knicks so these fans can stop bitching & moaning about all the bitching & moaning.

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