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3/30/2010  1:47 PM
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crzymdups wrote:i'm happy for jamal. he got a lot of ridiculous hate while he was here. kind of like dlee gets blamed these days.

he's in a perfect spot now and i'll be excited to watch him in the playoffs.

when D Lee is going off for 50+ & carrying us in crunchtime making game winning shot after game winning shot, maybe he'll get less of the criticism... funny thing is Jamal used to get crushed about his lack of defense while he was a Knick & yet people get awfully touchy whenever anyone utters a disparaging word about Lee's god awful defensive play.

i'm happy as hell for Jamal, he deserved to be a in better situation than he was in here in NY... & for his part David Lee probably does as well... but Knick fans need to think about the good of their franchise, not their sentimental personal likes or dislikes when it comes to certain players... pretty soon D Lee might take that title away for most games played with no playoffs if things don't change soon around here.

To be fair though, how many big men have scored 50 in NBA history? Not too many. Shaq, Jamison, Duncan, Kareem, Wilt, who else?

Garnett has never done it. And there have certainly been games when Lee has kept us in games with big shot after big shot. People not only used to dislike Jamal's defense, but his shot selection was also pretty terrible during his time here. Lee essentially gives us the same offense Jamal did but at 10 times the efficiency. I think that's why there is more love for Lee. We all acknowledge that Lee is not a good defender at this stage but he shows the ability to improve one aspect of his game each season which gives us hope. Jamal basically made the same mistakes over and over and even now on the Hawks, he is the same player as always. Of course, I'm not saying Jamal can't help you win games, that would be ridiculous. As demonstrated, Jamal can definitely be a good player to have in the right environment. With that said, I think most of us like Lee more because we see him as a potential core player on a very good team. Jamal is a very good 6th man on the Hawks, but the core over there is more along the lines of Horford, Joe Johnson, and Josh Smith.

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3/30/2010  2:31 PM
i see Lee making the same mistakes on defense every single game too tho... it's been years & he still has not learned how to draw a charge, block a shot or to rotate over to cover his man... he stands there with a deer in the headlights look on his face & watches mystified as guys walk into the paint & dunk the ball... it's amazing at how consistent he is at playing that way.

i don't hate D Lee, i just realize he is worthy of criticism just like guys like Jamal were... yeah, i got on Jamal for his lack of defense & bad shot selection too, but did appreciate him for the good things he brought to the table... dude was plain exciting to watch in the end of games, & when he was lighting it up i challenge u to tell me who was better at knocking down big shots that the Knicks ever had on this team in the past 10 years... i feel the same way about Lee... dude is the 1 of the most consistent rebounders in the game & his low post game & midrange J has taken huge strides in the past couple years, i have always acknowledged these things... these guys that have a personal bias against certain players & come out with these ridiculous comments degrading other people's understanding of the game make me laugh, i don't even want to waste my time on them anymore.

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3/30/2010  8:19 PM
TMS wrote:it's been years & he still has not learned how to draw a charge, block a shot...

i guess you didn't see his hustle during the denver game
...just sayin

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3/30/2010  9:22 PM
Lee is a player I have bashed for some time given his lack of defense.

Yet I have seen an entirely different player for up to six weeks now. I see a player who is playing defense. He will never be a gifted defender but all we ever asked of him was to try to play ANY defense.

He is doing that now and more. The guy is playing out of his mind on offense and he is playing acceptable defense.

Can't ask for anything more. He is playing himself into a "must keep" player. Simple as that.

I'm done bashing Lee unless he proves he only did this the past six weeks to get a big contract and then returns to being a half-game player (all offense, no defense). Yet I don't think he will.

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3/30/2010  9:39 PM
Cosmic wrote:
DJMUSIC wrote:
Cosmic wrote:
crzymdups wrote:i'm happy for jamal. he got a lot of ridiculous hate while he was here. kind of like dlee gets blamed these days.

he's in a perfect spot now and i'll be excited to watch him in the playoffs.

Crawful sucked while he was here.

He's simply not a very good player. He needs the perfect environment and the perfect role in order to excel. He's found it and that's good. But again you put him back here right now and he turns right back into CRAWFUL.

The fact that this guy has a huge fanboy following is down right mystifying. I can only chalk it up to young people growing up on AND-1 basketball and having no clue what basketball is really about. The theme where you could be down 50 points in a game but if you do a wicked crossover and brick a shot everyone screams "OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!" at the crossover like they're at Rucker Park and doesn't give a damn that the team is getting blown out

My man
Lemme ask you a question brother since AND-1 is mentioned.
You ever been to Rucker Park ?

Answer that for me my man

Wanna see where this is going in regard to players and playing the game of pro basketball.

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3/30/2010  10:28 PM
freeskier wrote:
TMS wrote:it's been years & he still has not learned how to draw a charge, block a shot...

i guess you didn't see his hustle during the denver game
...just sayin

no, i did see that... i also saw him playing his old jazz hands style D in the last game vs. Utah... thought he might have turned a corner finally after all these years in the game vs. DEN but obviously he hasn't.

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4/27/2010  12:09 PM
According to Mark Bradley down in Atlanta, Jamal Crawford is set to receive the NBA’s 6th man of the Year award. Jamal, who broke his career playoff drought this season, had a huge year down in Atlanta, providing a strong scoring punch off the pine. Backing up Joe Johnson, Marvin Williams, and Mike Bibby, Jamal was able to fit right in the the team’s philosophy. Good for you, Jamal Crawford.
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4/27/2010  12:10 PM
kam77 wrote:According to Mark Bradley down in Atlanta, Jamal Crawford is set to receive the NBA’s 6th man of the Year award. Jamal, who broke his career playoff drought this season, had a huge year down in Atlanta, providing a strong scoring punch off the pine. Backing up Joe Johnson, Marvin Williams, and Mike Bibby, Jamal was able to fit right in the the team’s philosophy. Good for you, Jamal Crawford.

Good for Jamal - he landed in one of the few perfect spots based on his type of game.

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4/27/2010  12:10 PM
kam77 wrote:According to Mark Bradley down in Atlanta, Jamal Crawford is set to receive the NBA’s 6th man of the Year award. Jamal, who broke his career playoff drought this season, had a huge year down in Atlanta, providing a strong scoring punch off the pine. Backing up Joe Johnson, Marvin Williams, and Mike Bibby, Jamal was able to fit right in the the team’s philosophy. Good for you, Jamal Crawford.

He was signed to the Knicks to be Marbury and Houston's backup.

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4/27/2010  1:45 PM
I always thought Jamal would make a good Spur for whatever reason. Happy to see he's in the playoffs - hope he doesn't get bounced in round one!
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4/27/2010  3:14 PM
He was just a perfect fit, they run a ton of ISO play's and are the most athletic team in the league, next to the thunder..
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4/27/2010  3:24 PM
Kam
I 2nd that emotion, quoting smokey robinson
on ex-Knick Jamaal Crawford winning the 2009/10 NBA 6th man of the year award with Atl Hawks.

For those others whom thrashed Crawford around here when he was a NY Knick JCraw proves nice guys
can actually finish 1st even if they aren't in NewYork (greatest city in world)

Jamaal Crawford NBA 6th Man of Year winner !
http://www.insidehoops.com/nba-award-history-sixth-man.shtml
Nice going Jamaal to a real good kid whom know is a veteran trying to help the Hawks against the gritty Bucks.
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4/27/2010  3:44 PM
AnubisADL wrote:
kam77 wrote:According to Mark Bradley down in Atlanta, Jamal Crawford is set to receive the NBA’s 6th man of the Year award. Jamal, who broke his career playoff drought this season, had a huge year down in Atlanta, providing a strong scoring punch off the pine. Backing up Joe Johnson, Marvin Williams, and Mike Bibby, Jamal was able to fit right in the the team’s philosophy. Good for you, Jamal Crawford.

He was signed to the Knicks to be Marbury and Houston's backup.

That was the plan. Never understood why H20 always got a pass for how he handled his injuries, rehab and retirement around here.

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4/27/2010  10:08 PM
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crzymdups wrote:i'm happy for jamal. he got a lot of ridiculous hate while he was here. kind of like dlee gets blamed these days.

he's in a perfect spot now and i'll be excited to watch him in the playoffs.

Crawful sucked while he was here.

In his defense he's not good enough to carry a team as a top option - which he had to try to do here because we sucked so bad.

Yet, again, he sucked here.

That's why he got criticized. Simple stuff here.


Meanwhile he found a good spot in Atlanta and has helped them off the bench. He is going to get the 6th man of the year award. Good for him.

However you take him off Atlanta and put him back here and he's instantly thrust right back into a starting role and a top scoring option and he'd go right back to bricking away and throwing the ball away and we'd continue to lose.

Players that need a perfect setting aren't very good players. However the perfect setting can help a player excel and that's what is happening now.

Nice to see but let's not make some big deal out of it. He didn't do it here. He couldn't do it here. Dumping him was one of the happier days of the past two years for me as a fan. Ditto for Zach, Jeffries, Nate, and even Hill. Good riddance.

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Cosmic people like you are always bashing people like Crawford. Crawford played hard while he was here and maybe he wasn't used the right way. But take a look at all the players we gave a boot to like Crawford, Marbs in his last year who came in the best shape he ever was and we played head games , Zach, Ariza , Hill, Fry, Robinson, Camby,and David Lee who will be gone to New Jersey. Give me one reason why a star would want to come here and get bashed. Just watch this summer.

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4/27/2010  10:13 PM
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DJMUSIC wrote:
Cosmic wrote:
crzymdups wrote:i'm happy for jamal. he got a lot of ridiculous hate while he was here. kind of like dlee gets blamed these days.

he's in a perfect spot now and i'll be excited to watch him in the playoffs.

Crawful sucked while he was here.

In his defense he's not good enough to carry a team as a top option - which he had to try to do here because we sucked so bad.

Yet, again, he sucked here.

That's why he got criticized. Simple stuff here.


Meanwhile he found a good spot in Atlanta and has helped them off the bench. He is going to get the 6th man of the year award. Good for him.

However you take him off Atlanta and put him back here and he's instantly thrust right back into a starting role and a top scoring option and he'd go right back to bricking away and throwing the ball away and we'd continue to lose.

Players that need a perfect setting aren't very good players. However the perfect setting can help a player excel and that's what is happening now.

Nice to see but let's not make some big deal out of it. He didn't do it here. He couldn't do it here. Dumping him was one of the happier days of the past two years for me as a fan. Ditto for Zach, Jeffries, Nate, and even Hill. Good riddance.

These were bad teams JCraw was on
What the devil kind of knick fan are you ?
The kid JCraw had ups and downs but he was ALL HEART in NY and made more big shots in past 2-3
yrs than anyone on D'Antoni can do current stints as Knick Coach.

JCraw didnt get into trouble here and was well liked.
Its cool you dont care for him but to throw him under the bus like he was a nobody is too harsh
brother

I'm surprised by that with all the MESS of Knicks which has been in here since Ewing left

So, Crawford played like trash....because the teams he was on were trash?

Doesn't say much for the player does it?

Star players (of which Jamal's fans think he is) play well regardless of their environment.

Jamal doesn't. He's simply not a very good player. He needs the perfect environment and the perfect role in order to excel. He's found it and that's good. But again you put him back here right now and he turns right back into CRAWFUL.

The fact that this guy has a huge fanboy following is down right mystifying. I can only chalk it up to young people growing up on AND-1 basketball and having no clue what basketball is really about. The theme where you could be down 50 points in a game but if you do a wicked crossover and brick a shot everyone screams "OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!" at the crossover like they're at Rucker Park and doesn't give a damn that the team is getting blown out or the player missed the shot. But hey, leave it to me to care about winning games LOL. I want Crawful back so we can win 28 games a year and watch him do his crossover and then brick his 20 footers and I'll be right there with ya "OMG LIKE DID YOU LIKE SEE THAT CROSSOVER HE PWNED THAT GUY!".

pfffft.

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Cosmic go get help.

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4/28/2010  7:25 AM
Papabear wrote:
Cosmic wrote:
crzymdups wrote:i'm happy for jamal. he got a lot of ridiculous hate while he was here. kind of like dlee gets blamed these days.

he's in a perfect spot now and i'll be excited to watch him in the playoffs.

Crawful sucked while he was here.

In his defense he's not good enough to carry a team as a top option - which he had to try to do here because we sucked so bad.

Yet, again, he sucked here.

That's why he got criticized. Simple stuff here.


Meanwhile he found a good spot in Atlanta and has helped them off the bench. He is going to get the 6th man of the year award. Good for him.

However you take him off Atlanta and put him back here and he's instantly thrust right back into a starting role and a top scoring option and he'd go right back to bricking away and throwing the ball away and we'd continue to lose.

Players that need a perfect setting aren't very good players. However the perfect setting can help a player excel and that's what is happening now.

Nice to see but let's not make some big deal out of it. He didn't do it here. He couldn't do it here. Dumping him was one of the happier days of the past two years for me as a fan. Ditto for Zach, Jeffries, Nate, and even Hill. Good riddance.

Papabear Says
Cosmic people like you are always bashing people like Crawford. Crawford played hard while he was here and maybe he wasn't used the right way. But take a look at all the players we gave a boot to like Crawford, Marbs in his last year who came in the best shape he ever was and we played head games , Zach, Ariza , Hill, Fry, Robinson, Camby,and David Lee who will be gone to New Jersey. Give me one reason why a star would want to come here and get bashed. Just watch this summer.


THE TRUTH IS, if he ever had a complementary player next too him to help shoulder the scoring load he would not have looks as bad in NY. The fact is, Jamal HAD too chuck for us to even have a chance to be in most of those games much less with them. Had he had a 20point scorer at the 3/4 or 5 things would have been drastically different.

The few times he did have scoring help (zach, eddy for 1yr,) they were such bad passers they did nothing for chemistry on the floor.

And also, Jamal here was the only thing that made CURRY RESEMBLE AN NBA PLAYER.

the fact that you can't even have an unrelated thread without some tool here bringing him up make me think that rational minds are few and far between. Bunch of emotionally weak, angst riddled people. I mean, how many times can you argue the same shyt
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4/28/2010  7:39 AM
Papabear wrote:
Cosmic wrote:
DJMUSIC wrote:
Cosmic wrote:
crzymdups wrote:i'm happy for jamal. he got a lot of ridiculous hate while he was here. kind of like dlee gets blamed these days.

he's in a perfect spot now and i'll be excited to watch him in the playoffs.

Crawful sucked while he was here.

In his defense he's not good enough to carry a team as a top option - which he had to try to do here because we sucked so bad.

Yet, again, he sucked here.

That's why he got criticized. Simple stuff here.


Meanwhile he found a good spot in Atlanta and has helped them off the bench. He is going to get the 6th man of the year award. Good for him.

However you take him off Atlanta and put him back here and he's instantly thrust right back into a starting role and a top scoring option and he'd go right back to bricking away and throwing the ball away and we'd continue to lose.

Players that need a perfect setting aren't very good players. However the perfect setting can help a player excel and that's what is happening now.

Nice to see but let's not make some big deal out of it. He didn't do it here. He couldn't do it here. Dumping him was one of the happier days of the past two years for me as a fan. Ditto for Zach, Jeffries, Nate, and even Hill. Good riddance.

These were bad teams JCraw was on
What the devil kind of knick fan are you ?
The kid JCraw had ups and downs but he was ALL HEART in NY and made more big shots in past 2-3
yrs than anyone on D'Antoni can do current stints as Knick Coach.

JCraw didnt get into trouble here and was well liked.
Its cool you dont care for him but to throw him under the bus like he was a nobody is too harsh
brother

I'm surprised by that with all the MESS of Knicks which has been in here since Ewing left

So, Crawford played like trash....because the teams he was on were trash?

Doesn't say much for the player does it?

Star players (of which Jamal's fans think he is) play well regardless of their environment.

Jamal doesn't. He's simply not a very good player. He needs the perfect environment and the perfect role in order to excel. He's found it and that's good. But again you put him back here right now and he turns right back into CRAWFUL.

The fact that this guy has a huge fanboy following is down right mystifying. I can only chalk it up to young people growing up on AND-1 basketball and having no clue what basketball is really about. The theme where you could be down 50 points in a game but if you do a wicked crossover and brick a shot everyone screams "OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!" at the crossover like they're at Rucker Park and doesn't give a damn that the team is getting blown out or the player missed the shot. But hey, leave it to me to care about winning games LOL. I want Crawful back so we can win 28 games a year and watch him do his crossover and then brick his 20 footers and I'll be right there with ya "OMG LIKE DID YOU LIKE SEE THAT CROSSOVER HE PWNED THAT GUY!".

pfffft.

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Cosmic go get help.

LMFAO at slobbing over Crawful and pining for the days of TruckBury and ZachAss.

Did you guys not forget our record during those times? And don't give me this "used wrong" BS as if a player is garbage in one way but if only he was used right he'd be a superstar. Don't give me this "right coach" crap either.

Crawful sucks. He's done well in his ATL role and that's it. Nothing incredible.

Isiah's rosters sucked. The players as individuals elsewhere in garbage roles have done okay. That's it.

But leave it to some to want to re-assemble the Curry-Zach-Q-Craw-Marbs lineup, put Isiah back in as coach, and pretend we're another Jared Jeffries signing away from playoff success. Leave it to some to use Crawful's 6 man award as a reason to trash Walsh.

Some really short memories on here I guess.

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I can't believe some are crying back for Jamal Crawford! LOL
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4/28/2010  8:36 AM
Cosmic wrote:
Papabear wrote:
Cosmic wrote:
DJMUSIC wrote:
Cosmic wrote:
crzymdups wrote:i'm happy for jamal. he got a lot of ridiculous hate while he was here. kind of like dlee gets blamed these days.

he's in a perfect spot now and i'll be excited to watch him in the playoffs.

Crawful sucked while he was here.

In his defense he's not good enough to carry a team as a top option - which he had to try to do here because we sucked so bad.

Yet, again, he sucked here.

That's why he got criticized. Simple stuff here.


Meanwhile he found a good spot in Atlanta and has helped them off the bench. He is going to get the 6th man of the year award. Good for him.

However you take him off Atlanta and put him back here and he's instantly thrust right back into a starting role and a top scoring option and he'd go right back to bricking away and throwing the ball away and we'd continue to lose.

Players that need a perfect setting aren't very good players. However the perfect setting can help a player excel and that's what is happening now.

Nice to see but let's not make some big deal out of it. He didn't do it here. He couldn't do it here. Dumping him was one of the happier days of the past two years for me as a fan. Ditto for Zach, Jeffries, Nate, and even Hill. Good riddance.

These were bad teams JCraw was on
What the devil kind of knick fan are you ?
The kid JCraw had ups and downs but he was ALL HEART in NY and made more big shots in past 2-3
yrs than anyone on D'Antoni can do current stints as Knick Coach.

JCraw didnt get into trouble here and was well liked.
Its cool you dont care for him but to throw him under the bus like he was a nobody is too harsh
brother

I'm surprised by that with all the MESS of Knicks which has been in here since Ewing left

So, Crawford played like trash....because the teams he was on were trash?

Doesn't say much for the player does it?

Star players (of which Jamal's fans think he is) play well regardless of their environment.

Jamal doesn't. He's simply not a very good player. He needs the perfect environment and the perfect role in order to excel. He's found it and that's good. But again you put him back here right now and he turns right back into CRAWFUL.

The fact that this guy has a huge fanboy following is down right mystifying. I can only chalk it up to young people growing up on AND-1 basketball and having no clue what basketball is really about. The theme where you could be down 50 points in a game but if you do a wicked crossover and brick a shot everyone screams "OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!" at the crossover like they're at Rucker Park and doesn't give a damn that the team is getting blown out or the player missed the shot. But hey, leave it to me to care about winning games LOL. I want Crawful back so we can win 28 games a year and watch him do his crossover and then brick his 20 footers and I'll be right there with ya "OMG LIKE DID YOU LIKE SEE THAT CROSSOVER HE PWNED THAT GUY!".

pfffft.

Papabear Says

Cosmic go get help.

LMFAO at slobbing over Crawful and pining for the days of TruckBury and ZachAss.

Did you guys not forget our record during those times? And don't give me this "used wrong" BS as if a player is garbage in one way but if only he was used right he'd be a superstar. Don't give me this "right coach" crap either.

Crawful sucks. He's done well in his ATL role and that's it. Nothing incredible.

Isiah's rosters sucked. The players as individuals elsewhere in garbage roles have done okay. That's it.

But leave it to some to want to re-assemble the Curry-Zach-Q-Craw-Marbs lineup, put Isiah back in as coach, and pretend we're another Jared Jeffries signing away from playoff success. Leave it to some to use Crawful's 6 man award as a reason to trash Walsh.

Some really short memories on here I guess.

Isiah's rosters did suck and Crawford was maddening due to his role. Most felt by the end of his tenure that he was nothing more than a sixth man on a good team. The fact that he was misutilized isn't on Crawford it's on the GM. He had to try and be more than he was because of what was around him. It's not like I miss him on this roster because I certainly do not but he's maximized his abilities in a good situation. He's a talented player that would augment any deep team... hbut he isn't good enough to get it done himself

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4/28/2010  8:43 AM
larry had him playing well. he stepped in with the dribble and ran curls. played liked rip and it was a good look for him. his deep chucking and dribbling to nowhere was a bunch of crap.
Congrats Jamal

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