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3/25/2010  2:40 PM
sorta hard to make a case for how little Bosh elevates the level of his team's play using D Lee as your counter example.
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3/25/2010  2:44 PM
not trying to compare them all I am saying Chris Bosh isnt a max player and if you put him on the Knicks right now they still arent a playoff team same goes with Joe Johnson
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3/25/2010  2:47 PM
so if we add Bosh or Joe Johnson to this team that already has Lee, we won't be a playoff team... using that logic we shouldn't be considering bringing Lee back either.
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3/25/2010  2:57 PM
It seems to me that the evidence shows you MUST have a perimeter player as part of your teams best in order to excel in this league. You of course need many other factors, but if you look at most of the bigs in the league they are mostly middle of the game guys. In crunchtime it's easy to take away a post player or guy that isn't able to just weave his way thru a defense or shoot over it like Kobe or Wade or Bron. If Ewing had a great wing or Guard who could breakdown teams and create he would've won titles. Give Ewing Tony Parker and it's a wrap.

Bosh is merely a piece, but not THE piece. If having him convinces Bron, then it's all worth it! Both guys are younger than the other top guys and I really like that aspect for a long run of great ball in NY. My top wish is Bron/Bosh! I'd also accept Bron/Lee/Camby or Bron/Amare/Camby tho that's far less likely.

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3/25/2010  2:59 PM
i'd accept Bron/Fishlips/Turd if i had to... just get me Lebron, i don't give a rat's arse who comes after that.
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3/25/2010  3:05 PM
TMS I am saying if you take Lee off this team and add just bosh or Johnson we arent a playoff team. If you added Lebron or Wade I think we would be. I think Bosh is overrated a bit and once he gets paid the bionic knee brace and missing 5-10 games a year may go to 15-20.
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3/25/2010  3:09 PM
if we added Lebron or Wade we'd be a playoff team by default, i'm with you on that... but we're talking about a difference between Bosh & Lee... so saying that Bosh won't elevate this team to playoff contender doesn't do much for your case to re-sign David Lee, does it? under that logic we shouldn't be considering either one of them.
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3/25/2010  3:13 PM
Lee hasnt played on a team since he has been here. They make trades, play people out of positions, so you really cant compare them. Lee will win when he gets a team that is properly construted. Also in the last four years Bosh only plays about 85% of his teams games. If he sits out ten a year early in his career what will he do later? Notice every loser Crawford, Zach, when they leave the Knicks they win.
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3/25/2010  3:17 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/25/2010  3:18 PM
this is how i see the two players:

lee's jumper has improved greatly. he can score close to the basket with either hand. and he can take bigs off the dribble from outside. defensively, we haven't seen him really do anything there.

bosh's jumper is sweet and he attacks and gets to the line at a high clip. but he also plays with his back to the basket and causes double teams. so he has that added dimension to his offense that lee does not. defensively, he's ok, good when motivated but regardless, he does give you a block a game.

one will cost in the $10-12 mil range, the other will be max. it's up to a gm to decide who is worth it. if the knicks get lebron, wade or joe, i think bosh is the better choice b/c at that point, money doesn't matter. BUT, if they can't get that prime time guard and are looking at a rudy gay type player, then maybe lee is a better choice b/c of his pricetag and possible future ability to add talent with a lower payroll.

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3/25/2010  3:25 PM
King1 wrote:Lee hasnt played on a team since he has been here. They make trades, play people out of positions, so you really cant compare them. Lee will win when he gets a team that is properly construted. Also in the last four years Bosh only plays about 85% of his teams games. If he sits out ten a year early in his career what will he do later? Notice every loser Crawford, Zach, when they leave the Knicks they win.

u can say the same about Bosh... put the right team around him & he'll win... u already acknowledged that Bosh was better than Lee but you don't want to invest into bringing Bosh on board because he won't elevate the level of his team's play... Lee doesn't elevate the level of his team's play either... dude puts up stats on a horrible team... if the situation was reversed with Lee in Toronto & Bosh over here, u already said u don't think either team's situations would be any different... so what's the point in targetting either one of those guys? if u don't want any part of Bosh u definitely shouldn't want any part of Lee either.

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3/25/2010  3:34 PM
I Really don't see BOSH as a big upgrade over lee, it's like sergio starting over duhon.

It wont be a situation like when Marbury led the suns to 43 wins then the very next year Nash leads the same roster to (i think) 60 wins.

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3/25/2010  9:14 PM
Lee at 10 million and manu at 7 million is better than bosh at 17
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3/25/2010  9:42 PM
King1 wrote:Lee at 10 million and manu at 7 million is better than bosh at 17

i wouldn't mind going that route either, but #1 priority needs to be on landing Lebron... so whatever it takes to get him here, we have to do... if it takes signing Bosh to get Lebron to NY, that's what we need to do.

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3/25/2010  9:44 PM
King1 wrote:Lee at 10 million and manu at 7 million is better than bosh at 17

yeah, i'm sure manu will take $7M from the knicks when the spurs are paying him $10M this year and he has an offer of $13M on the table from real madrid. but i'm sure he'll cut the knicks a big discount.

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3/25/2010  11:22 PM
crzymdups wrote:
King1 wrote:Lee at 10 million and manu at 7 million is better than bosh at 17

yeah, i'm sure manu will take $7M from the knicks when the spurs are paying him $10M this year and he has an offer of $13M on the table from real madrid. but i'm sure he'll cut the knicks a big discount.

We have Wil, Gallo, Giddens and Walker. If we're not getting LeBron or Wade, or even JJ or Gay, what's the point in getting Manu for that much if we already have our guards and small fowards?

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3/26/2010  8:03 AM
King1 wrote:Lee at 10 million and manu at 7 million is better than bosh at 17

that what I have been saying over and over again.

You give Lee a HUGE deal 6 years $74mm that contract starts a $9.5 and you have $8mm left to spend on other players. To me thats going to give you two good player in Lee and another guy thats better than Bosh.

I like the possibility of an Amare/Lee/Gallo frontcourt. I also like Tyrus Thomas for 5 years $47mm (starts at $8mm) up front with Lee.

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3/26/2010  8:41 AM    LAST EDITED: 3/26/2010  8:56 AM
TMS wrote:
King1 wrote:Lee at 10 million and manu at 7 million is better than bosh at 17

i wouldn't mind going that route either, but #1 priority needs to be on landing Lebron... so whatever it takes to get him here, we have to do... if it takes signing Bosh to get Lebron to NY, that's what we need to do.

That's it in a nutshell right there. When you get right down to it, signing Lee at $10 mil. and having the extra $6-7 mil. left over to use on another player/players or conserve for the following year would probably be the smart way to go (most bang for your buck) but in the end, LeBron may like Bosh a little more than Lee and I think you gotta do what you can to appease the guy and make the situation as attractive as possible for him (even if 'Bron really wanted Joe Johnson as that recent rumor suggested, a guy most of us really don't want any part of, they gotta look hard at it and probably pull the trigger). Hey, LeBron may surprise us all and say, "I'm coming, I want NY but I understand Lee's a crowd favorite and and good player too -- I want him to stay." Nobody knows. Maybe LeBron feels there not much of a difference between the two and he'd rather have Lee PLUS the extra $7 million in cap flexibility. If there's one thing LeBron's shown me it's that he's far from stupid and has a good understanding on a lot of different issues...Very high maturity level, rare for a young guy..

Bosh is actually a little younger than Lee, about 1"-2" taller and when you get right down to it, he is the better player, so we really can't go wrong that way either.

Having his team close to .500 is a concern though. That Toronto team has talent at almost every position, it's not like they don't. They should be better...I think if you flip flopped LeBron and Bosh, Toronto would be the team to beat and the top team in the East right now, not Cleveland. It just shows how good LeBron is -- he's the top FA out there by far. We need to do everything possible to get him.

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3/26/2010  11:54 AM
there is something that alot of you are not taking into account, when you look at each team in the playoffs, there is one common thing they all have - a perimeter player that either 1 or 2 in fg attempts and ppg. the closest guy on the raptors is 3rd in hedo and he's a distant 3rd in both categories. that is the #1 reason why the raptors are around .500 right now...especially after the bosh injury. so take that into account if you're going to use the team's record in relation to bosh.
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3/26/2010  11:59 AM
djsunyc wrote:there is something that alot of you are not taking into account, when you look at each team in the playoffs, there is one common thing they all have - a perimeter player that either 1 or 2 in fg attempts and ppg. the closest guy on the raptors is 3rd in hedo and he's a distant 3rd in both categories. that is the #1 reason why the raptors are around .500 right now...especially after the bosh injury. so take that into account if you're going to use the team's record in relation to bosh.

Ae you saying we would have a better record if he was here instead of LEE

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3/26/2010  12:06 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
djsunyc wrote:there is something that alot of you are not taking into account, when you look at each team in the playoffs, there is one common thing they all have - a perimeter player that either 1 or 2 in fg attempts and ppg. the closest guy on the raptors is 3rd in hedo and he's a distant 3rd in both categories. that is the #1 reason why the raptors are around .500 right now...especially after the bosh injury. so take that into account if you're going to use the team's record in relation to bosh.

Ae you saying we would have a better record if he was here instead of LEE

i don't know. i'm just saying the thread is about bosh and his team at .500. so i'm just trying to shed some light on why the team is .500.

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