AnubisADL wrote:

eViL wrote:thanks marv.

to the other points:

i disagree with the idea that his lack of explosion equates lack of mobility. does he get to the rim? yes. does he draw fouls? yes. does it matter how fast or slow he does this? no. it's not always about explosive speed or leaping. sure, that's the most impressive way to get to the rim, but using change of pace moves and proper angles can get you to the hole just as well (only it won't put you on any posters).

and judging his man to man defense by the fact that he couldn't stop melo who was on a hot streak is unfair. while the ultimate goal of defense is to stop the opponent from scoring, the first step is to make them take difficult shots. i think gallo has proven that he can at least force opponents to work harder if they want to score. the notion before this season was that gallo was going to leave a gaping hole in our D. by now i think we have all seen that this is not the case. lock down defender? no. solid defender? yes.

His lack of explosion leads to him being unable to create space wants he starts his drive to the rim. Gallo abuses other bigs so why play him against small guys? He doesnt get those calls consistently anyway. He plays way too far from the rim so he needs more than a dribble or 2 to get to the front of rim. If he played closer he'd be able to use his length to get the rim not his speed.

Gallo forced Carmelo into difficult shots? I dont think so. Gallo is forced to give him way more space because of the speed difference. We all know if you give Carmelo space he is going to blow your face off.

he's beginning to post smaller guys which i believe mitigates his inability to blow by them. beyond that, most defenders are still overplaying his three point shot which gives him a step when he uses his pump fake effectively. this is what makes him a nightmare matchup. he can get by bigger slower guys and he can shoot over quicker smaller guys. the only guys that stand to consistently give him trouble are quicker bigs, but those players are of rare kind.

i thought gallo's defense on carmelo was good. he didn't force him into difficult shots (for melo), but he didn't get blown by or abused. melo was shooting from 20 feet out with a hand in his face. if that's the shot he's taking, i'll live with it. before this season, people would laugh that gallo could even stay in front of a guy of anthony's caliber. gallo certainly forced aaron brooks into difficult shots a few nights ago.

AnubisADL wrote:

Andrew wrote:Effective shooting %:

Gallo: 53.2
Jennings: 43.1

I dont even know what that stat is. I use NBA.com. Please explain how it is calculated.

EDIT:
ok just read on www.basketball-reference.com that

eFG% adjusts for the fact that 3 pointers are worth one more point than 2 pointers.

So you get rewarded for jacking alot of shots.

Ex. no.1 Quentin Richardson's 3P% in Phoenix was .358 while his eFG% was .498

Ex. no.2 Stephen Curry's 3P% is .423 while his eFG% is .531

Seems to me the 3P% is the fairer statistic in comparing someones efficiency in shooting 3's which helps to remove deviations due to styles of play.

sure, if all we are comparing is their ability to shoot threes. however, eFG% gives you a better picture of who is the more efficient overall shooter. this is why, despite having a slightly better overall percentage from 3, brandon jennings is significantly worse than gallo when comparing their eFG%.

AnubisADL wrote:Seems to me the 3P% is the fairer statistic in comparing someones efficiency in shooting 3's which helps to remove deviations due to styles of play.

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AnubisADL wrote:

Marv wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

eViL wrote:can we revisit some of the major criticisms that many had for gallo before we got to see him play a significant amount of time? is he still a soft euro? does he still play no d? is he still a one trick pony? does he still have no mobility? is he still only a garbage time scorer? looks like some people may have rushed to judgment.

The guy isnt an SF. When he puts the ball on the floor he moves like molasses and gets pathetic lift when he gets contact. Now for a PF that is no big deal but when you want to dance around the perimeter against SF's you need some explosiveness.

His man to man defense is also HIGHLY overrated. I dont think we should be praising Gallo for wanting to guard Carmelo when Carmelo would have dropped 50 if it wasn't for JR Smith chucking in the 4th. I see Gallo as more an ideal help defender around the rim because of his length.

Gallo needs to move closer to the rim and not fall in love with his jumper. For a supposed great shooter he went 1/7 in the first half. Brandon Jennings shoots a higher 3 pt% than Gallo and Jennings is no Ray Allen plus Jennings was considered a brick mason before the draft.

jennings is hitting 39.4% of his 315 3-point attempts, which is very good. gallo's hitting 38.8% of his 417. hardly seems like the comparison to be making if you're trying to make a point.

?

Jennings supposedly is a undersized brick mason with no jumper.

Gallo is a 7 footer who is the best shooter D'Antoni has ever seen and was billed as a shooter from day 1.

I dont see the problem because it is a percentage. If anything maybe someone should tell Gallo he should be jacking LESS 3's.

so your argument is about someone's pre-nba reputation? obviously either people were wrong about jennings' 3-point ability or he improved it. they're both shooting it very well. jennings is slightly higher but gallo has significantly more attempts. that's the fact jack. you want to carry on about what their reps were before coming into the league then that's a ridiculously weak argument.

Marv wrote:so your argument is about someone's pre-nba reputation? obviously either people were wrong about jennings' 3-point ability or he improved it. they're both shooting it very well. jennings is slightly higher but gallo has significantly more attempts. that's the fact jack. you want to carry on about what their reps were before coming into the league then that's a ridiculously weak argument.

No my argument is Brandon Jennings isnt a great shooter by any stretch of the imagination. He has learned to take "better" shot attempts. When he isn't hitting them he stops taking them.

Gallo on the other hand is a supposed to be the better shooter yet shoots a lower percentage. It doesnt matter if Gallo is taking more 3's if he is also missing more. No one is forcing Gallo to jack 3's that kill his percentage. Therefore I conclude either he isn't that great of a shooter or he is taking BAD shots which in the end have the SAME result, BRICKS.

anyways, gallo is a SF. get a big time playmaker (dribble penetrator) and spread out the court with gallo and he'll do fine. but any ideas about putting him at PF have to stop. the guy won't be able to guard bigs posting up. let him move his feet out on the perimeter and use his height to bother folks.

eViL wrote:you realize that jennings' 3pt percentage is only .006 better than gallo's right? that's six hundredths. that's a very small difference. you realize that gallo is shooting .471 from inside the arc, while jennings is shooting .362? that's a very big difference.

Do you realize Gallinari is 6' 10" and Jennings is 6' 2"? That's 8 inches yet Gallo takes 1 more 3PA per game with 4 less FGA's per game than Jennings. Less than a third of Jennings attempts are beyond the 3 point line while Gallo takes more than half his shots from behind the 3 point line.

Marv wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

Marv wrote:so your argument is about someone's pre-nba reputation? obviously either people were wrong about jennings' 3-point ability or he improved it. they're both shooting it very well. jennings is slightly higher but gallo has significantly more attempts. that's the fact jack. you want to carry on about what their reps were before coming into the league then that's a ridiculously weak argument.

No my argument is Brandon Jennings isnt a great shooter by any stretch of the imagination. He has learned to take "better" shot attempts. When he isn't hitting them he stops taking them.

Gallo on the other hand is a supposed to be the better shooter yet shoots a lower percentage. It doesnt matter if Gallo is taking more 3's if he is also missing more. No one is forcing Gallo to jack 3's that kill his percentage. Therefore I conclude either he isn't that great of a shooter or he is taking BAD shots which in the end have the SAME result, BRICKS.

No my argument is Brandon Jennings isnt a great shooter by any stretch of the imagination. He has learned to take "better" shot attempts. When he isn't hitting them he stops taking them.

If you’ve watched Jennings this year you know this isn’t true at all.

I agree that gallo takes too many 3’s. he should drive more, take more mid-range shots, hit the offensive boards more, post up.

Buy since it’s obvious that he and Jennings are being equally effective with the 3, to say “oh the supposed greatest outside shooter should be shooting so much better than the supposed-worst” means nothing. Either 39% is a decent rate for 3-pointers or it’s not.

I have seen Jennings all season. He is a decent shooter but he needs ALOT of work when shooting off the dribble. Earlier in the season he was shooting until he got hot because they lacked scoring. However he is a 20 yr old rookie so he has plenty of time improve.

Now back to Gallo. 39% for Gallo isnt impressive in the least bit. If you are shooting a "decent" percentage more than half of your shots should NOT be coming from beyond the arc. Other shooters like OJ Mayo shoot 3P% .387 and eFG% .516 and less than a third of his shots are 3's. Taking more 3's than guards is highly disturbing especially when he isn't lighting it up.

AnubisADL wrote:

Marv wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

Marv wrote:so your argument is about someone's pre-nba reputation? obviously either people were wrong about jennings' 3-point ability or he improved it. they're both shooting it very well. jennings is slightly higher but gallo has significantly more attempts. that's the fact jack. you want to carry on about what their reps were before coming into the league then that's a ridiculously weak argument.

No my argument is Brandon Jennings isnt a great shooter by any stretch of the imagination. He has learned to take "better" shot attempts. When he isn't hitting them he stops taking them.

Gallo on the other hand is a supposed to be the better shooter yet shoots a lower percentage. It doesnt matter if Gallo is taking more 3's if he is also missing more. No one is forcing Gallo to jack 3's that kill his percentage. Therefore I conclude either he isn't that great of a shooter or he is taking BAD shots which in the end have the SAME result, BRICKS.

No my argument is Brandon Jennings isnt a great shooter by any stretch of the imagination. He has learned to take "better" shot attempts. When he isn't hitting them he stops taking them.

If you’ve watched Jennings this year you know this isn’t true at all.

I agree that gallo takes too many 3’s. he should drive more, take more mid-range shots, hit the offensive boards more, post up.

Buy since it’s obvious that he and Jennings are being equally effective with the 3, to say “oh the supposed greatest outside shooter should be shooting so much better than the supposed-worst” means nothing. Either 39% is a decent rate for 3-pointers or it’s not.

I have seen Jennings all season. He is a decent shooter but he needs ALOT of work when shooting off the dribble. Earlier in the season he was shooting until he got hot because they lacked scoring. However he is a 20 yr old rookie so he has plenty of time improve.

Now back to Gallo. 39% for Gallo isnt impressive in the least bit. If you are shooting a "decent" percentage more than half of your shots should NOT be coming from beyond the arc. Other shooters like OJ Mayo shoot 3P% .387 and eFG% .516 and less than a third of his shots are 3's. Taking more 3's than guards is highly disturbing especially when he isn't lighting it up.

you do realize that efg% is a stat that specifically accounts for how effective you are OVERALL in your shooting percentage, including accounting for the number of 3's you take, right? so to say that you have a personal dislike for the number of m3's that gallo takes is one thing - i happen to agree with you. but regardless of where his shots come from he's still more effective overall than mayo. that's what the stat is saying. regardless of whether you or i like where he puts the majority of his shots up form. that's the whole point of the stat - to be able to compare the relative efficiency of guys that may shoot from very different spots at different rates.

TMS wrote:

kam77 wrote:IWHTGPMU!

WTFAYS?

idiots who hated the gallo pick man up.