Moonangie wrote:

joec32033 wrote:Gallo and Toney are in my top 2. Walker may be 3 depending.

I am worried about Chandler constantly breaking down at the end of seasons though. Didn't the same thing happen last year? If I am trading anyone it is Wil.

I haven't seen Giddens enough.

Wil to the Wolves for Rubio rights.

This is not a bad deal. The only thing is that Rubio cannot join the team for 2 more years since he signed that euro contract. I don't think he has a buyout.

JAck Johnson is an outstanding throwback stand up defensemen... which is ironic, because Bill Walker plays with throwback edge too

Bippity10 wrote:Gallo-You could see the Gallo thing coming. He's inconsistent because he's young. I think he also had a stage in there where the infection started to take over and he seemed to take a backseat to everyone. He appeared to accept the losing and I feared for him. I think since the Nate trade someone got into his head(maybe it was him) and he has really turned it up a notch. He's asked to take on defensive responsibility which is also adding more overall responsbility and is helping him develop. As if I had inside information I told you over time he will drive more and that the team would ask him to go in the post. You will see more and more post play next year as he continues to get stronger. Soon it will be impossible to guard him with PG's and SG's. I know there are fantastic talent evaluators on this site, but a lot of them seem to miss that one. I guess he wasn't a bust like the "experts" called

TD-I'm not sure TD will learn to run the PG position on a full-time basis. I think you will see him more in the Barbosa type role as we move through time. Still a very valuable role in this offense. Add his defense to the mix and he's a legit player. However he has to stop gambling on defense. He does get steals but he also gives up a ton of "where did my man go" threes when he gambled on teh double team. He's a hard working kid who learns(notice he started pulling up last night instead of blasting through the lane after he drew that first charge) so over time I think he will learn like Charlie Ward did......So much for "no J" and too little athletic ability to get his shot off.

Walker-Tough to evaluate at this point because this is his first real playing time. Tough to determine what is a trend and what is not. If I was the typical talent evaluator on this site I would just scream that he is a bust and that Walsh blew it on the Nate trade but instead I will give this time. Athletic ability is obvious. the jumper is surprising although I'm not sold yet. He obviously needs to work on his defense. But the more I watch him play the more I realize that he was "infected" in Boston. He makes smart and deliberate passes, he plays team D and most importantly gives no layups. I see him right now as a poor man's Wilson Chandler with a chance to develop. Chandler is better defensively, has a more consistent mid-range game and is more confident. Walker actually reminds me of Stanley Robinson at CT. Supreme athletic ability, drifts in out mentally and does not seem to realize yet how much is athletic ability will help his offensive game. He needs more playing time to develop this confidence and hopefully will work hard at the same time. He can turn himself into a legit player if he works hard enough.

Giddens-I like Giddens. Haven't seen enough to make a thorough eval(should I just call him a bust?) but I like his effort. He plays D and really gets after it on the boards. At this point seems like a great energy guy off the bench.

Agreed with everything you said about Gallo and TD....... You could see leaving TD along side Duhon and Sergio
in that Barbosa type role already....

I disagree about Walker though.....

I believe this Kid mentally believes he belongs in this league

I also believe he has a good midrange game and a more polished long range jumper
then Chandler already...... When he slows the NBA game down and starts playing smarter
he will be a really good player in this league....

Maybe even an All Star

umynot wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:Gallo-You could see the Gallo thing coming. He's inconsistent because he's young. I think he also had a stage in there where the infection started to take over and he seemed to take a backseat to everyone. He appeared to accept the losing and I feared for him. I think since the Nate trade someone got into his head(maybe it was him) and he has really turned it up a notch. He's asked to take on defensive responsibility which is also adding more overall responsbility and is helping him develop. As if I had inside information I told you over time he will drive more and that the team would ask him to go in the post. You will see more and more post play next year as he continues to get stronger. Soon it will be impossible to guard him with PG's and SG's. I know there are fantastic talent evaluators on this site, but a lot of them seem to miss that one. I guess he wasn't a bust like the "experts" called

TD-I'm not sure TD will learn to run the PG position on a full-time basis. I think you will see him more in the Barbosa type role as we move through time. Still a very valuable role in this offense. Add his defense to the mix and he's a legit player. However he has to stop gambling on defense. He does get steals but he also gives up a ton of "where did my man go" threes when he gambled on teh double team. He's a hard working kid who learns(notice he started pulling up last night instead of blasting through the lane after he drew that first charge) so over time I think he will learn like Charlie Ward did......So much for "no J" and too little athletic ability to get his shot off.

Walker-Tough to evaluate at this point because this is his first real playing time. Tough to determine what is a trend and what is not. If I was the typical talent evaluator on this site I would just scream that he is a bust and that Walsh blew it on the Nate trade but instead I will give this time. Athletic ability is obvious. the jumper is surprising although I'm not sold yet. He obviously needs to work on his defense. But the more I watch him play the more I realize that he was "infected" in Boston. He makes smart and deliberate passes, he plays team D and most importantly gives no layups. I see him right now as a poor man's Wilson Chandler with a chance to develop. Chandler is better defensively, has a more consistent mid-range game and is more confident. Walker actually reminds me of Stanley Robinson at CT. Supreme athletic ability, drifts in out mentally and does not seem to realize yet how much is athletic ability will help his offensive game. He needs more playing time to develop this confidence and hopefully will work hard at the same time. He can turn himself into a legit player if he works hard enough.

Giddens-I like Giddens. Haven't seen enough to make a thorough eval(should I just call him a bust?) but I like his effort. He plays D and really gets after it on the boards. At this point seems like a great energy guy off the bench.

Agreed with everything you said about Gallo and TD....... You could see leaving TD along side Duhon and Sergio
in that Barbosa type role already....

I disagree about Walker though.....

I believe this Kid mentally believes he belongs in this league

I also believe he has a good midrange game and a more polished long range jumper
then Chandler already...... When he slows the NBA game down and starts playing smarter
he will be a really good player in this league....

Maybe even an All Star

I don't think Walker lacks confidence. I think he does feel that he belongs. But I do think that he lacks the supreme confidence to bring it every night. Gallo does too. TD to me at this point seems to be the one young guy that has it. The others drift in and out. But that's okay, they are young and it goes with the territory. But I agree Walker does have some serious talent. IF he works hard he could go places.

NYKBocker wrote:Bill Walker and JR Giddens are from Gallo's draft class. We have a nice set of youngins for the future. Like everyone else has said, we need a couple of PF/C type players from this draft with the 2 second rounders. I am more than happy to roll with TD and Sergio as our PG tandem for next year.

Sorry TMS, I still like Sergio. I think once players understand that they need to run with him then we will see exactly what he can do. He would be a nice 1-2 punch with TD.

Watching the game last night against the Nuggets and it clearly shows that we need another body since TMac can't play into the 4th and The Mayor being out. I was wondering why we have not called up a player for a 10 contract at least. I would love to see Pat Jr back in the mix.

i like everyone of our young kids & Walker & Giddens have both been better than i ever expected, but Sergio just hasn't shown me any reason to get excited over him... i can find any number of fools on the playgrounds who will run around & be active all day long but have no idea what to do with the ball... to me, Sergio still needs a ton of work before u can consider him a viable option at the PG position.

totally feel u on the Patrick Ewing Jr. thing, would love to see him get a 10 day contract to see what he's got... we have nothing to lose at this point.

Bippity10 wrote:

TMS wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:Bill Walker and JR Giddens are from Gallo's draft class. We have a nice set of youngins for the future. Like everyone else has said, we need a couple of PF/C type players from this draft with the 2 second rounders. I am more than happy to roll with TD and Sergio as our PG tandem for next year.

Sorry TMS, I still like Sergio. I think once players understand that they need to run with him then we will see exactly what he can do. He would be a nice 1-2 punch with TD.

Watching the game last night against the Nuggets and it clearly shows that we need another body since TMac can't play into the 4th and The Mayor being out. I was wondering why we have not called up a player for a 10 contract at least. I would love to see Pat Jr back in the mix.

i like everyone of our young kids & Walker & Giddens have both been better than i ever expected, but Sergio just hasn't shown me any reason to get excited over him... i can find any number of fools on the playgrounds who will run around & be active all day long but have no idea what to do with the ball... to me, Sergio still needs a ton of work before u can consider him a viable option at the PG position.

totally feel u on the Patrick Ewing Jr. thing, would love to see him get a 10 day contract to see what he's got... we have nothing to lose at this point.

I'm with you on Sergio. I like his energy but above that he doesn't provide a whole lot. HE makes some fancy passes, but overall I'm not that impressed with hsi passing. HE misses a lot of open guys and the dominates the ball on offense. Add to this, the crazy turnovers he makes and he loses a fan in Bip. I have heard good things about his ability to run the offense in Europe and if you can run an offense in one place you can run it anywhere. I'm just not sure he's put in the work to make the adjustment to ball over here. Too small of a sample to be sure, but so far that's what I've seen. And dude really needs to get his legs in his shot and get some arch underneath it. Who does he think he is? TMac?

he shoots the ball off his right shoulder & gets no elevation, it's a weird shooting form... i have no idea how someone can get an accurate sense of where they're shooting the ball when their head is 6 inches to the left of where the release point is.

TMS wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:

TMS wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:Bill Walker and JR Giddens are from Gallo's draft class. We have a nice set of youngins for the future. Like everyone else has said, we need a couple of PF/C type players from this draft with the 2 second rounders. I am more than happy to roll with TD and Sergio as our PG tandem for next year.

Sorry TMS, I still like Sergio. I think once players understand that they need to run with him then we will see exactly what he can do. He would be a nice 1-2 punch with TD.

Watching the game last night against the Nuggets and it clearly shows that we need another body since TMac can't play into the 4th and The Mayor being out. I was wondering why we have not called up a player for a 10 contract at least. I would love to see Pat Jr back in the mix.

i like everyone of our young kids & Walker & Giddens have both been better than i ever expected, but Sergio just hasn't shown me any reason to get excited over him... i can find any number of fools on the playgrounds who will run around & be active all day long but have no idea what to do with the ball... to me, Sergio still needs a ton of work before u can consider him a viable option at the PG position.

totally feel u on the Patrick Ewing Jr. thing, would love to see him get a 10 day contract to see what he's got... we have nothing to lose at this point.

I'm with you on Sergio. I like his energy but above that he doesn't provide a whole lot. HE makes some fancy passes, but overall I'm not that impressed with hsi passing. HE misses a lot of open guys and the dominates the ball on offense. Add to this, the crazy turnovers he makes and he loses a fan in Bip. I have heard good things about his ability to run the offense in Europe and if you can run an offense in one place you can run it anywhere. I'm just not sure he's put in the work to make the adjustment to ball over here. Too small of a sample to be sure, but so far that's what I've seen. And dude really needs to get his legs in his shot and get some arch underneath it. Who does he think he is? TMac?

he shoots the ball off his right shoulder & gets no elevation, it's a weird shooting form... i have no idea how someone can get an accurate sense of where they're shooting the ball when their head is 6 inches to the left of where the release point is.

LOL....I think I used to have similar form when I was in middle school before a coach set me straight.

Bippity10 wrote:

I know I haven't been here for a while but the Bip does not believe in passive antagonism, he believes in direct antagonism. This post has nothing to do with anyone's criticism of D'Antoni and everything to do with the morons that called Gallo a bust last year and Hill and Douglas busts during this years summer league. Those "talent evaluators" are not talent evaluators they are strictly whiners.

I think Hill sucked from summer league, from pre-season, and from the regular season, and what he's doing in Houston still sucks. Maybe I'll end up wrong about it maybe I won't. Don't really care anymore he's a Rocket.

Douglas I saw fire from the beginning and have thought all along he'd be very good.

Gallo I thought had a lot of skills - but - his health issue had me frustrated and that health issue for quite some time looked like he was going to be a bust. A bust not because of skill, a bust because of HEALTH issues. I thought Gallo showed some serious game from the get-go. But that damn year+ of health issues sucked.