knicks1248 wrote:I agree with most who thinks he's been under appreciated, at the same time if we were to have say......ben wallace or tyson chnadler, or JJ insted of lee, would we cringe ever time they take a shot outside of 5 ft from the rim, would we be begging management to get a more offensive PF to start along side your defensive center.

Jamison, West, boozer, Scola, even dirk are all sub par defenders and suspect help defenders as well. TD, KG, and bosh are really the only big man in the league that have a complete package. Im starting to warm up to jeff green and J Thompson but the jury still out.
If you balance out the roster with both offensive and defensive players like we had on our 1999 roster(probably our best line up in 23 years) we would be fine.

i would take a broken down Larry Johnson on my team every day & twice on sundays over D Lee... & that's no insult to Lee... LJ held his own in the paint every night on both ends of the floor even tho he was regularly matched up with guys 5-6 inches taller than he was & more importantly he was a leader in that lockerroom who everyone looked up to... he held his teammates accountable for their play while never giving any thoughts to the stats he was putting up... dude sacrificed his body every night to get a W, regardless if he collected his precious double double or not, & most importantly made guys around him want to raise the level of their play just by being around him... if Lee would take on that mantle i would be much more open to the idea of extending him to a big money deal... right now his production, while nice to look at, equates to very little success for our franchise... a lot of guys can put up big numbers on a crappy team... if Lee were putting up 20 & 11 on a consistent winner we wouldn't be having this conversation right now, he'd already have been re-signed.

s3231 wrote:You mean you don't want to see our point forward bring the ball up and shoot 3's? haha jk

This thread has restored some of my faith in Knicks fans. Glad to see there are a few of us out there that wouldn't mind bringing Lee back at $9-$10 million a season...

i would be fine w/having him back at that level money but i think he's gonna get at least $11-13M per easy this summer... at that level money i think it might be better to split the cost between 2 players that can add more depth to the roster... unless u'r gonna be able to land Lebron this summer i don't see Bosh & Lee as being good enough to put us over the top in the EC, especially going up against teams like Orlando, Boston & Miami (who will likely get Amare this summer to pair with D Wade).

knicks1248 wrote:

TMS wrote:

s3231 wrote:You mean you don't want to see our point forward bring the ball up and shoot 3's? haha jk

This thread has restored some of my faith in Knicks fans. Glad to see there are a few of us out there that wouldn't mind bringing Lee back at $9-$10 million a season...

i would be fine w/having him back at that level money but i think he's gonna get at least $11-13M per easy this summer... at that level money i think it might be better to split the cost between 2 players that can add more depth to the roster... unless u'r gonna be able to land Lebron this summer i don't see Bosh & Lee as being good enough to put us over the top in the EC, especially going up against teams like Orlando, Boston & Miami (who will likely get Amare this summer to pair with D Wade).

Depth is always important, but you could also look at it has having quality always beats out quantity (if your a smoker...lol). In other words dont give me chris childs and ward, just give me tim hardaway. If lee were on another team and we had boozer, we would be looking at lee the same way were looking at JOE...

i'm talking more along the lines of 2 borderline Allstars over 1 questionable Allstar from a quintessential losing franchise, not 2 minor role playing vets.

Manu & Scola instead of Lee IMO is a better investment for both our present & our future.

this summer will definitely be interesting bro... i'm gonna be shocked if we can land 2 bigname guys w/o having to give up whatever young assets we have left to deal right now.

TMS wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:I agree with most who thinks he's been under appreciated, at the same time if we were to have say......ben wallace or tyson chnadler, or JJ insted of lee, would we cringe ever time they take a shot outside of 5 ft from the rim, would we be begging management to get a more offensive PF to start along side your defensive center.

Jamison, West, boozer, Scola, even dirk are all sub par defenders and suspect help defenders as well. TD, KG, and bosh are really the only big man in the league that have a complete package. Im starting to warm up to jeff green and J Thompson but the jury still out.
If you balance out the roster with both offensive and defensive players like we had on our 1999 roster(probably our best line up in 23 years) we would be fine.

i would take a broken down Larry Johnson on my team every day & twice on sundays over D Lee... & that's no insult to Lee... LJ held his own in the paint every night on both ends of the floor even tho he was regularly matched up with guys 5-6 inches taller than he was & more importantly he was a leader in that lockerroom who everyone looked up to... he held his teammates accountable for their play while never giving any thoughts to the stats he was putting up... dude sacrificed his body every night to get a W, regardless if he collected his precious double double or not, & most importantly made guys around him want to raise the level of their play just by being around him... if Lee would take on that mantle i would be much more open to the idea of extending him to a big money deal... right now his production, while nice to look at, equates to very little success for our franchise... a lot of guys can put up big numbers on a crappy team... if Lee were putting up 20 & 11 on a consistent winner we wouldn't be having this conversation right now, he'd already have been re-signed.

First of all LJ played the 3 mostly. Second he was shot when he came here. His back was toast. What LJ did was coast until he was needed to come up with a big play. He played next to a HOF the entire time he was here. He played with ALL STAR guards and great defensive players the whole time he was here. What you remember was a former all star hitting some big shots or having a couple big games every month. The rest of the time he coasted and let Ewing, Camby, Oakley, etc do all the work.

Depth does win in this league. Having the best 5 players on the court does. Knicks finally got an all star and people here want to replace him with MLE talent. Lets usher in a new era of Weatherspoon and Othella Harrington.

If the Knicks offer Lee $9.5mm with max raises thats 6 years and $74mm. Your not getting a better player than Lee at 9.5mm. Two guys? Who cares.. do they get to play at the same time?

Lee isnt an impact player? The only reason we are in any of these games his he's scoring 25 a night at >55%